Something really strange about Fukushima compared to Chernobyl | |
Cellz User ID: 1521277 United States 04/27/2012 05:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah.. you can look at it in one of two ways... not pouring water on chernobyl back then.. probably either A: made it worse.. or B: helped tons.. so maybe the dumbasses thought if they tried something different it would help.. i mean its simple.. they prob were like "hey! instead of drying this baby out like they did in chernobyl... how about we try and drown this sucker!" u know? Fatal Error In Reality.sys Reboot Universe Y/N? |
Vlad Tepes (OP) User ID: 4409012 Romania 04/27/2012 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah.. you can look at it in one of two ways... Quoting: Cellz not pouring water on chernobyl back then.. probably either A: made it worse.. or B: helped tons.. They say it helped tons because 50% of the molten nuclear fuel mixed with the sand and turned into "lava" that eventually cooled several levels below the reactor vessel, becoming trapped in this shape and lowering the chances of a chain reaction (starting at minute 4:40): [link to youtu.be] Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
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Vlad Tepes (OP) User ID: 4409012 Romania 04/27/2012 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so maybe the dumbasses thought if they tried something different it would help.. i mean its simple.. they prob were like "hey! instead of drying this baby out like they did in chernobyl... how about we try and drown this sucker!" u know? Quoting: Cellz Yeah. They may also have problems getting the sand, boric acid and other stuff where it needs to be. And then they also probably thought... "hey, we have a big body of water to our east, in easy reach, why not use it". The question I have, and I hope someone that knows this stuff could help us, is why was water considered a facilitator of a chain reaction in Chernobyl, while in Fukushima it is used in massive amounts??? Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
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Monbazillac User ID: 8958455 Italy 04/27/2012 06:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fukushima used MOX, chernobyl was not using this material. it's related to this maybe someone can explain it better because in english it's a bit difficult for me the only thing i'm sure is MOX is far more toxic than what chernobyl was using (toxic dust full of particles). [link to therealnews.com] [link to howthehellshouldiknow-wallyworld.blogspot.fr] |
Vlad Tepes (OP) User ID: 4409012 Romania 04/27/2012 06:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, but does that make a big change in how to handle molten reactor fuel? The Japanese used lots of water and left the buildings exposed to the elements. In Chernobyl they considered water a hazard and hurried to prevent rain from getting into the reactor. The discrepancy seems too big. How can it be explained? Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
Atom-Boy User ID: 13269131 Japan 04/27/2012 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MOX is used only in the Core of Nr. 3 but not in Nr.1, 2., 4.! You should wait for a Explanation from the Guys who believe in a Hydro-Cesium Volcanic Reaction/ Explosion, they may are able to explain this (i do not believe in this) One of the biggest Differences is that the Fuel in Chernobyl was under the open Sky, F'Shima is not, it's still inside of the Containment! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 04/27/2012 06:36 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
ladyannie2009 User ID: 14834436 United States 04/27/2012 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not a scientist, and I certainly do not have any training in 'how to dispose of radioactive waste safely' but the more I read about this, the more dismal the situation becomes. I had read an interesting article recently....(link below) that talks about some of the scientific studies that have been done. Lots of good information at that link if you've got time to read it all. But the article stated that only 20% of the radiation has stayed in Japan, while 78% has gone into the pacific ocean. The other 2% went airbourne and eventually landed on the west coast of the US and Canada. These levels are spreading out to the entire world, and the levels will continue to increase and yet no one seems to know what the hell to do about it....(???) The article goes on to tell of Japan's decision at the end of last year to start burning all of this radioactive debris, then mixing non-radioactive debris to dilute it...(huh???) then spread it around like some type of compost or something. AND....this is their solution for the next several years....burn, mix, spread, burn, mix, spread....repeat for 3 years. Am I missing something here?? Does this sound reasonable to ANYONE? What would be some logical solutions at this point? Anyone know? Cuz everything I've been reading doesn't give much hope. The time to react with limited damage to the environment has long since passed, and now I'm not sure anything really CAN be done I just LOVE morning doom, don't you? [link to www.earthfiles.com] "the truth will stand up, when nothing else will" - annie's mom "When a great ship is in harbor and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for." - Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes |
acewhole777 User ID: 1487010 Canada 04/27/2012 06:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fukushima used MOX, chernobyl was not using this material. Quoting: Monbazillac it's related to this maybe someone can explain it better because in english it's a bit difficult for me the only thing i'm sure is MOX is far more toxic than what chernobyl was using (toxic dust full of particles). [link to therealnews.com] [link to howthehellshouldiknow-wallyworld.blogspot.fr] Yup Japan imports MOX fuel from france |
Atom-Boy User ID: 13269131 Japan 04/27/2012 06:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @ladyannie, this is a different Topic and you should open a Thread for it, but let me say that there is no other way, in the last year we had 38 Fires because of Self Combustion inside of this really huge Mountains, imo. it is much more safe to burn this Stuff in a controlled Manner than let it burn for years in our normal Environmemt, without any kind of Filtering! G.Y.!B.E. |
Monbazillac User ID: 8958455 Italy 04/27/2012 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, but does that make a big change in how to handle molten reactor fuel? The Japanese used lots of water and left the buildings exposed to the elements. In Chernobyl they considered water a hazard and hurried to prevent rain from getting into the reactor. The discrepancy seems too big. How can it be explained? yes MOX is the big problem and the difference. they are avoiding it, only talking about radiations and stuff like this in purpose for a reason. MOX is the biggest business for them, it's almost everywhere now and no this is not a coincidence at all! [link to www.tni.org] [link to www.pacificfreepress.com] [link to www.naturalnews.com] stay focused on this "detail": MOX and do your search in english, i can give you some links in french if you want. |
Monbazillac User ID: 8958455 Italy 04/27/2012 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fukushima used MOX, chernobyl was not using this material. Quoting: Monbazillac it's related to this maybe someone can explain it better because in english it's a bit difficult for me the only thing i'm sure is MOX is far more toxic than what chernobyl was using (toxic dust full of particles). [link to therealnews.com] [link to howthehellshouldiknow-wallyworld.blogspot.fr] Yup Japan imports MOX fuel from france yep AREVA nasty business! [link to www.agoravox.fr] [link to www.areva.com] [link to www.paperblog.fr] [link to www.plumedepresse.net] [link to nucleaire-nonmerci.net] [link to owni.fr] since you are canadian maybe you can help thx |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 788589 United States 04/27/2012 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Chernobyl they dropped 5,000 tons of sand, lead and boric acid then they HURRIED to cover the molten reactor in order to prevent RAIN from entering: Quoting: Vlad Tepes At the time there was still fear that the reactor could re-enter a self-sustaining nuclear chain-reaction and explode again, and a new containment structure was planned to prevent rain entering and triggering such an explosion, and to prevent further release of radioactive material. [link to en.wikipedia.org] You can hear the same said here, starting at minute 6:10: [link to youtu.be] So... they didn't pour hundreds of thousands of tons of water on the molten reactor, they actually tried to prevent water from getting to it! In Fukushima not only did they leave most of the reactor buildings exposed to the elements (including rain) for a year or more, but we are told they were/are actually pumping water in the reactors that suffered meltdowns. So why was water considered a risk, a facilitator of a chain reaction, in Chernobyl, while in Fukushima it is used in massive amounts? It was a different type of reactor. Graphite moderated with most of the graphite in place. So the fuel had a tendency to be more active (close to fission) without even adding water. Fukushima reactors are water moderated. |
Vlad Tepes (OP) User ID: 4409012 Romania 04/27/2012 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the biggest Differences is that the Fuel in Chernobyl Quoting: Atom-Boy was under the open Sky, F'Shima is not, it's still inside of the Containment! In Fukushima they used sea water to try to cool the reactors by spraying it from fire trucks! See pic: [link to www.csmonitor.com] If that water was supposed to get where it was needed then the top of those containment vessels was considered breached. Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14929099 United Kingdom 04/27/2012 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all this fukushima doom makes me laff. all you gotta do is buy a geiger counter and you will see that there is no more radiation now than there ever was. it dispersed around the planet, the planet is really really big by the way, and it is now not harmful to you as long as youre not in close vicinity to the plant itself. case closed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14637652 United Kingdom 04/27/2012 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all this fukushima doom makes me laff. all you gotta do is buy a geiger counter and you will see that there is no more radiation now than there ever was. it dispersed around the planet, the planet is really really big by the way, and it is now not harmful to you as long as youre not in close vicinity to the plant itself. case closed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14929099 Good to see less competition for rental property in safer regions :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1429178 United States 04/27/2012 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If these facts are correct : "...the amount of nuclear material in the spent fuel pools at Fukushima is greater than all of the nuclear fuel at Chernoybl: Science Insider noted yesterday: The Daiichi complex in Fukushima, Japan … had a total of 1760 metric tons of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site last year, according to a presentation by its owners, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco). The most damaged Daiichi reactor, number 3, contains about 90 tons of fuel, and the storage pool above reactor 4, which the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s (NRC’s) Gregory Jaczko reported yesterday had lost its cooling water, contains 135 tons of spent fuel. The amount of fuel lost in the core melt at Three Mile Island in 1979 was about 30 tons... Chernobyl reactors had about 180 tons when the accident occurred in 1986. That means that Fukushima has nearly 10 times more nuclear fuel than Chernobyl. It also means that a single spent fuel pool – at reactor 4, which has lost all of its water and thus faces a release of its radioactive material - has 75% as much nuclear fuel as at all of Chernobyl. However, the real numbers are even worse. Specifically, Tepco very recently transferred many more radioactive spent fuel rods into the storage pools. According to Associated Press, there were – at the time of the earthquake and tsunami – 3,400 tons of fuel in seven spent fuel pools plus 877 tons of active fuel in the cores of the reactors. That totals 4,277 tons of nuclear fuel at Fukushima. Which means that there is almost 24 times more nuclear fuel at Fukushima than Chernobyl" |
cartaphilus User ID: 15151889 China 04/27/2012 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah.. you can look at it in one of two ways... Quoting: Cellz not pouring water on chernobyl back then.. probably either A: made it worse.. or B: helped tons.. so maybe the dumbasses thought if they tried something different it would help.. i mean its simple.. they prob were like "hey! instead of drying this baby out like they did in chernobyl... how about we try and drown this sucker!" u know? we don't always know what we are doing. |
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Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 04/27/2012 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all this fukushima doom makes me laff. all you gotta do is buy a geiger counter and you will see that there is no more radiation now than there ever was. it dispersed around the planet, the planet is really really big by the way, and it is now not harmful to you as long as youre not in close vicinity to the plant itself. case closed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14929099 What a mindless sheep you are. Pfft. :chern: |
GeekOfTheWeek User ID: 5033503 United States 04/27/2012 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for enlightening us...This is becoming far worse then Chernybol in my judgement....this event is a NUCLEAR HOLOCUST...not being talked about by gov, or media...they give us the same song and dance ... Quoting: InflateScrewJob Becoming??? Really? 1 vs 3 blown up. How is that becoming worse??? The Japs just let this go on and on. WHY? I love physics. It bonds us eternally, it's what makes our computers work, it's what's in my morning cup of coffee, it's the thing that keeps the universe from vanishing due to lack of belief... |
Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 04/27/2012 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for enlightening us...This is becoming far worse then Chernybol in my judgement....this event is a NUCLEAR HOLOCUST...not being talked about by gov, or media...they give us the same song and dance ... Quoting: InflateScrewJob Becoming??? Really? 1 vs 3 blown up. How is that becoming worse??? The Japs just let this go on and on. WHY? True dat. "becoming" worse???? adjective for InflateScrewJob Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 04/27/2012 08:58 AM |
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Monbazillac User ID: 8958455 Italy 04/27/2012 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all this fukushima doom makes me laff. all you gotta do is buy a geiger counter and you will see that there is no more radiation now than there ever was. it dispersed around the planet, the planet is really really big by the way, and it is now not harmful to you as long as youre not in close vicinity to the plant itself. case closed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14929099 What a mindless sheep you are. Pfft. :chern: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14880428 United States 04/27/2012 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 099 in UK Regular detectors can't pick up a lot of the particle radiation because it travels only one or two millimeters. If the particles lodge in your lungs or are ingested with food or water they are inside you blasting away from point blank range causing cancers etc. See some of Gundersens early videos. Heavy particles from Fukushima were found in New England within weeks after the intial explosions. The steam from the water would cause the particles riding on concrete dust water molecules (like a baloon can carry weights) to be carried long distances. SEE JAPAN BALOON BOMBS IN WW II. Do a search on it. |