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POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!

 
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Regarding your YT video, here's the link about the sun. I was a bit confused by it but maybe someone here would know more hf

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See the childish retorts, saying Catholicism, honoring Mary are all of the devil. Hey, you all accepted the Canon of Scripture decided by the Church, the Holy Father, Pope Damasus. And not very original, the same protests about the
faith.
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The Word of Yaweh God in His first and second commandment declares worship of anyone or anything other than Him to be abomination.


(Exodus 20:2-5) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


You are calling God's Word a childish retort.


(Matthew 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


The King James Bible is the perfectly preserved Word of God meticulously transcribed by scholars through the Holy Ghost, and virtually identical to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Almighty God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word.

Repent.
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See the childish retorts, saying Catholicism, honoring Mary are all of the devil. Hey, you all accepted the Canon of Scripture decided by the Church, the Holy Father, Pope Damasus. And not very original, the same protests about the
faith.
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The Word of Yaweh God in His first and second commandment declares worship of anyone or anything other than Him to be abomination.


(Exodus 20:2-5) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


You are calling God's Word a childish retort.


(Matthew 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


The King James Bible is the perfectly preserved Word of God meticulously transcribed by scholars through the Holy Ghost, and virtually identical to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Almighty God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word.

Repent.
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Brother, there's two problems here.

1) that poster is fully indoctrinated and probably hasn't had an original thought about their salvation in their entire life.

2) The Catholic version of the 10 commandments have been heavily sanitized and that commandment has been deleted from their list.

Check out their 10 commandments (I will place the Word in underline, the Catholic version in bold and commentary in italics):

1st

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no strange gods before Me.
2nd

Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.


Deleted.

(There is idolatry in the Papal system so the second Commandment has been deleted or sometimes it has been absorbed into the first. All remaining Commandments are therefore shifted along one count.)
3rd

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God In vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
2nd

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
4th

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
3rd

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.

(The Sabbath is the fourth Commandment by normal count. The day to be kept is no longer mentioned since they changed the Sabbath to Sunday.)

(Note that God had more to say about the fourth Commandment than all others and with good reason. It is very important.)
5th

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
4th

Honour thy father and thy mother.
6th

Thou shalt not kill.
5th

Thou shalt not kill.
7th

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
6th

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8th

Thou shalt not steal.
7th

Thou shalt not steal.
9th

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
8th

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
9th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

(The Tenth Commandment is split into two to get back to Ten Commandments.)
10th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

As frustrating as it is for me, I have to constantly remind myself that it's not their fault. They have fallen into the Great Delusion YHWH has sent upon them.

I take heart in knowing that in the end, they too shall bow to YHWH.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 04/28/2012 04:55 PM
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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April 1, 2012

Message to Kevin Barrett

Will You Let Me Take You Through the Fires of Purification?

...My dear children, and it is My desire that each of you share My throne with Me. But unfortunately only a remnant shall overcome. For too many have listened to the lies told by the false shepherds and prophets. THEY SPEAK OF HOW YOU EACH ARE ALREADY CLEANSED AND ADORNED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SIMPLY BY YOUR BELIEF ON MY NAME. These are all lies, My people. For does not My word say that he who DOES righteousness is righteous? Yes, My people, you are made righteous by your faith in Me, but it is fulfilled by your obedience to My voice. IT IS NOT IMPUTED TO YOU BY A ONE-TIME CONFESSION OF MY NAME. Oh, My people, you have been lied to. Read My word for yourselves. Why listen to those that fatten themselves by fleecing My sheep? I have not sent many of the shepherds that are out there. They have sent themselves for their own glory and their own profit. Oh, My people, did I not say in My word to judge them by their fruit? Then where is the fruit, My people? Oh, but those that have itching ears care not about the fruit. THEY WANT TO BE TOLD ALL IS WELL AND THAT THEY SHALL PROSPER if they simply believe on My name and My promises. Lies, lies, lies, I tell you.


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The excerpt from this message is important. Why would Our Lord say these things to a Protestant prophet? Catholics aren't being corrected about the above three. Why? You can't run away or say you didn't know. Faith alone, OSAS, the one time "altar call" justifies you and the "prosperity gospel" are false.

Our Lord is helping Protestants get ready to convert, no
more Protestantism nor Eastern Orthodox, non-Christian
religions after the Great Warning.
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You do not accept or understand now but you will when
Our Lord Himself shows you personally during the Great Warning, the true faith is Roman Catholicism. To follow, the RCC will be crucified, watch, the same as Our Lord during the Great Tribulation because it is the true faith.

Come to believe in the most Holy Eucharist and you will make it to the new time, the Millennium, when God transforms the earth and Our Lord reigns spiritually on the earth. Finally, at long last, all will believe the same. Alleluia!

No one speaks like this on the earth, believe prophecy, believe the message from Our Lord's mother.

God wants us all to believe the same, if you say no, you've
already gone a way from the Truth. God is going to make
it happen.

+ + +

WORDS RECEIVED
From
MOTHER MARY
September 14, 2007
6:55 AM

Manila,
Philippines

Thru Lec

Son, I sought to speak to you today for what I deem a
necessity in warning people about their forgetfulness
on what the true faith is. God has decreed that His
church, the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church as
the vehicle and the repository of the faith handed
down from the time of my Son Jesus’ earthly ministry
up to the time of His next coming . The truth of the
faith is vested upon my Son’s church.

My heart grieves on seeing many of my children
leaving the church of My Son for churches which to
them appear on the outside as the fulfillment of their
inner longing to become closer to My Son Jesus but
they could have forgotten the fact that it is only in
the Holy Roman Catholic church where the body, blood,
and divinity of My Son Jesus transubstantiate into
the consecrated bread and wine you call the
Eucharist, hence, you can see how much those who left
the Church of My Son gravely miss what is available
only on the Church ordained by God to do His earthly
ministry.

The Mass as the highest form of worship can only be
found within the confines the Catholic Church. Graces
in abundance flow to the Soul during mass. Angels
watch, rapt in attention at each celebration of the
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for it is Divine truth that
My Son Jesus comes to each soul upon reception of his
consecrated body and blood in the form of host.

Those who have received My Son in the Eucharist as
often as their time permits have acquired for their
soul incalculable graces which they will come to see
and enjoy when they start living in Eternity.

Go in peace My faithful Son!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14488282


There will never, ever be any warning. There will be no second coming of Jesus upon the clouds. No aliens are going to save us.

The earth is a freewill planet. All freewill planets are subject to the divine law of non-interference. This basically means we will reap what we sow. Nobody is going to save us, except ourselves.

Satanic influences have lead much of humanity down the path of not wanting to be responsible for its choices. "I don't have to do anything because Jesus is going to save us." Or some "warning" or "miracle" will change mans hearts, then everything will be ok. Or aliens will manifest themselves and give us technology that will solve all our problems.

Don't you see, all deceptions to keep us from finding our true potential, the mighty "I Am" or God presence within. Jesus Himself said "the kingdom of God is within you". Our current culture looks for God outside themselves. That's why most all peoples spiritual fire doesn't stay alive for much more then short periods of time. Once we find the kingdom within, we'll be able to manifest the Christ conscious mindset through the power of the Holy Spirit. This was promised by Jesus Himself.

The second coming is really about a rebirth of peoples hearts, to accept the kingdom within and start manifesting it. Then, mankind itself will bring in the Golden Age.

It's up to us, my brothers and sisters. Namaste!
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I believe god is all that is, and no religion is needed.

Only belief and faith.
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agree, and i clicked on other. I need no label. I just am, and I just believe and have faith. That is all.
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April 1, 2012

Message to Kevin Barrett

Will You Let Me Take You Through the Fires of Purification?

...My dear children, and it is My desire that each of you share My throne with Me. But unfortunately only a remnant shall overcome. For too many have listened to the lies told by the false shepherds and prophets. THEY SPEAK OF HOW YOU EACH ARE ALREADY CLEANSED AND ADORNED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SIMPLY BY YOUR BELIEF ON MY NAME. These are all lies, My people. For does not My word say that he who DOES righteousness is righteous? Yes, My people, you are made righteous by your faith in Me, but it is fulfilled by your obedience to My voice. IT IS NOT IMPUTED TO YOU BY A ONE-TIME CONFESSION OF MY NAME. Oh, My people, you have been lied to. Read My word for yourselves. Why listen to those that fatten themselves by fleecing My sheep? I have not sent many of the shepherds that are out there. They have sent themselves for their own glory and their own profit. Oh, My people, did I not say in My word to judge them by their fruit? Then where is the fruit, My people? Oh, but those that have itching ears care not about the fruit. THEY WANT TO BE TOLD ALL IS WELL AND THAT THEY SHALL PROSPER if they simply believe on My name and My promises. Lies, lies, lies, I tell you.


[link to hearhisheart.wordpress.com]

The excerpt from this message is important. Why would Our Lord say these things to a Protestant prophet? Catholics aren't being corrected about the above three. Why? You can't run away or say you didn't know. Faith alone, OSAS, the one time "altar call" justifies you and the "prosperity gospel" are false.

Our Lord is helping Protestants get ready to convert, no
more Protestantism nor Eastern Orthodox, non-Christian
religions after the Great Warning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14488282


Unless you keep the commandments (Which I'm certain you don't, you're too hardcore Catholic to honor the sabbath, the 4th commandment, or the 7 high feasts of YHWH), I have no desire nor need to listen to you. For the Truth is not in you.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 05/01/2012 12:35 AM
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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See the childish retorts, saying Catholicism, honoring Mary are all of the devil. Hey, you all accepted the Canon of Scripture decided by the Church, the Holy Father, Pope Damasus. And not very original, the same protests about the
faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14488282



The Word of Yaweh God in His first and second commandment declares worship of anyone or anything other than Him to be abomination.


(Exodus 20:2-5) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


You are calling God's Word a childish retort.


(Matthew 12:31) Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


The King James Bible is the perfectly preserved Word of God meticulously transcribed by scholars through the Holy Ghost, and virtually identical to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Almighty God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word.

Repent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Brother, there's two problems here.

1) that poster is fully indoctrinated and probably hasn't had an original thought about their salvation in their entire life.

2) The Catholic version of the 10 commandments have been heavily sanitized and that commandment has been deleted from their list.

Check out their 10 commandments (I will place the Word in underline, the Catholic version in bold and commentary in italics):

1st

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no strange gods before Me.
2nd

Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.


Deleted.

(There is idolatry in the Papal system so the second Commandment has been deleted or sometimes it has been absorbed into the first. All remaining Commandments are therefore shifted along one count.)
3rd

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God In vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
2nd

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
4th

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
3rd

Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.

(The Sabbath is the fourth Commandment by normal count. The day to be kept is no longer mentioned since they changed the Sabbath to Sunday.)

(Note that God had more to say about the fourth Commandment than all others and with good reason. It is very important.)
5th

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
4th

Honour thy father and thy mother.
6th

Thou shalt not kill.
5th

Thou shalt not kill.
7th

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
6th

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8th

Thou shalt not steal.
7th

Thou shalt not steal.
9th

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
8th

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
9th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

(The Tenth Commandment is split into two to get back to Ten Commandments.)
10th

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

As frustrating as it is for me, I have to constantly remind myself that it's not their fault. They have fallen into the Great Delusion YHWH has sent upon them.

I take heart in knowing that in the end, they too shall bow to YHWH.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Your YHWH is Lucifer. Check the tetragrammaton and learn from the ancients that YAH's name was change for fear of the holy utterance and to deceive the children of god.

I will never bow to Lucifer. You have the freewill to do as you choose.
Yah and his son Yahsha is the only way to heaven. All that embrace these names, Lucifer, morning star, christ michael, YHWH, GAOTU, venus, mainyu spenta and many other false names, embrace your earthly god not the heavenly god.
Tempus Edax Rerum - Time devours all things

Tempus est optimus iudex - Time will tell
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
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LOL

No such thing. You either worship the God of heaven or your god Is Lucifer by default.


Atheism is just another lie of Lucifer. He is the craftiest liar of all time.
Tempus Edax Rerum - Time devours all things

Tempus est optimus iudex - Time will tell
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Your YHWH is Lucifer. Check the tetragrammaton and learn from the ancients that YAH's name was change for fear of the holy utterance and to deceive the children of god.

I will never bow to Lucifer. You have the freewill to do as you choose.
Yah and his son Yahsha is the only way to heaven. All that embrace these names, Lucifer, morning star, christ michael, YHWH, GAOTU, venus, mainyu spenta and many other false names, embrace your earthly god not the heavenly god.
 Quoting: Merci

You are aware that "Yah" is the short form of Yahuwah, right? I follow the path of Yahushua the Son of Yahuwah. How you got the impression that Yahushua is the son of some "Earthly god" is totally beyond me, since that doctrine is nowhere in the Word. In ANY version of it I've ever read.

You go on believing whatever you wish, but I couldn't just let that one lie there.

EDIT: The change was 6828 replacements of His name with LORD and GOD. Which is why it's in all caps.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 05/01/2012 09:20 AM
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1627503


LOL

No such thing. You either worship the God of heaven or your god Is Lucifer by default.


Atheism is just another lie of Lucifer. He is the craftiest liar of all time.
 Quoting: Merci


You are free to believe what you like. As am I. "Lucifer" is not a real thing, to me.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
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F society, bro. I was an atheist for a decade. Do not let anyone ever make you feel you need to silence yourself to make them more comfortable when it comes to issues like belief or disbelief.

While I might no longer share your disbelief, I CERTAINLY still protest publically for the right for people to disbelieve. It's possibly one of the few pure equal rights movements left.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1627503


F society, bro. I was an atheist for a decade. Do not let anyone ever make you feel you need to silence yourself to make them more comfortable when it comes to issues like belief or disbelief.

While I might no longer share your disbelief, I CERTAINLY still protest publically for the right for people to disbelieve. It's possibly one of the few pure equal rights movements left.
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Thank you. I see my view as a "belief" rather than a "disbelief," but that's mostly semantics. I respect and fight for your right to your beliefs as well.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1627503


F society, bro. I was an atheist for a decade. Do not let anyone ever make you feel you need to silence yourself to make them more comfortable when it comes to issues like belief or disbelief.

While I might no longer share your disbelief, I CERTAINLY still protest publically for the right for people to disbelieve. It's possibly one of the few pure equal rights movements left.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau



Thank you. I see my view as a "belief" rather than a "disbelief," but that's mostly semantics. I respect and fight for your right to your beliefs as well.
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Well, you're right on that one. It is semantics, really. I had just learned to use "disbelief" over the years to save on words, really. Prior to my adopting that I usually would say things like, "This is a secular country where we have the right to practice our beliefs, or lack thereof"

Just too wordy.

Disbelief fits because it describes atheism, a disbelief in a deity. However, one could argue that would only apply to gnostic atheists because they are the ones that have an outright disbelief, where agnostic atheists don't disbelieve, they just don't have enough evidence to believe.

Heh, this used to be a topic I loved to discuss, so, this conversation feels like putting on an old pair of shoes.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
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LOL

No such thing. You either worship the God of heaven or your god Is Lucifer by default.


Atheism is just another lie of Lucifer. He is the craftiest liar of all time.
 Quoting: Merci


You are free to believe what you like. As am I. "Lucifer" is not a real thing, to me.
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LOL, But he knows you well, even if you dont believe, that really does not matter.
Kind of like a natural or universal law, doesnt matter what you believe it goes on working right along behind the scenes.

Ps. but good luck with that.

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I'm a proud atheist. I feel like it's the one belief system that is considered socially unacceptable to brag about, so I usually don't talk about it so as not to offend my religious friends, who I have been told that it's important to be tolerant to, to the point of constantly having to listen to their opinions and judgments without answering back with my own. Well, they're my friends so I put up with it. But thanks for asking. It feels good to share what I really think.

By the way, I do appreciate your goodwill wish to "save me"... I assume you really think I'm in danger and you're just trying to lend a hand. But I have as equal claim as you on the nature of our reality and to me, that danger is only in your imagination. Please understand that and focus your efforts on either seeing if I have a point, or "saving" those that want to be "saved."

In return I will not try to force you to be " saved" from the errors of your thinking, as I assume you would be equally annoyed at such an effort on my part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1627503


LOL

No such thing. You either worship the God of heaven or your god Is Lucifer by default.


Atheism is just another lie of Lucifer. He is the craftiest liar of all time.
 Quoting: Merci


You are free to believe what you like. As am I. "Lucifer" is not a real thing, to me.
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LOL, But he knows you well, even if you dont believe, that really does not matter.
Kind of like a natural or universal law, doesnt matter what you believe it goes on working right along behind the scenes.

Ps. but good luck with that.
 Quoting: Merci


Thankfully, God can (and sometimes does) suspend natural laws. AC, you are obviously thoughtful and intelligent. If you are still reading, I have a suggestion: Would you consider asking God to silence any counterfeits, reveal Himself to you, and help you to see any detail you might have missed when reaching conclusions? If there is something important He wants you to see, ask Him to show it to you. Even if it feels futile--especially if it feels futile--I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.
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My beliefs and allegience align with the eternal God who is the light of the world and the living Word. Other than Jesus Christ and the first century apostles, George Fox and the early Quakers seem to have been closest to practicing the ultimate message of love and peace - even unto death as they followed the light of Christ that has appeared to everyone. The kingdom of God is within - each of us.

See also: [link to www.hallvworthington.com]

[link to www.hallvworthington.com]
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(Romans 7:18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.


(Matthew 23:13-15) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.


(John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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The kingdom of God is within you. ~Jesus
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^^^This^^^^
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Even if it feels futile--especially if it feels futile--I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.
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I was an atheist for a decade. Sought to find Him the entire time. Either I was deaf or He had a plan that included my being in disbelief until the dogma was erased from my mind.

I can attest that if one does truly seek, He will find you.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Don't have a clue. Believing in objects-subjects detailing of words whether from unconscious-conscious for functioning purposes among spaces consumed within thoughts are illusionary. The "I", "ME"-ego has no ownership, possessiveness in such matters.

The mind-thoughts in time. Time Space material thingy, clingy, of things.

The Pookah plays the same role as the Holy Guardian Angel in cabalistic magic, or the extraterrestrial in the Whitley Strieber type of experience, or the ghosts of dead relatives speaking through seance in 19th century spiritualism, or Ramtha speaking through J. Z. Knight. These are all different metaphors for basically the same experience.

My cosmic schmuck principle holds that if you occasionally notice that you've been thinking or acting like a cosmic schmuck, you will become less of a cosmic schmuck, and the more often you notice that you're thinking and acting like a cosmic schmuck, the less of a cosmic schmuck you become. On the other hand, if you never, never, never suspect you might be thinking or acting like a cosmic schmuck, you will remain a cosmic schmuck for the rest of your life.

E-prime is English without the use of any form of "is" or being.
We're trapped in linguistic constructs. All that is is metaphor. I believe somebody said that before me. I've decided we can't get beyond words. What we gotta do is get more cynical about our words.

You'll find that by dispensing with "is", and trying to reformulate without "is", you just naturally fall into the kind of expression which is considered acceptable in modern science. And also, it's the type of consciousness that Zen Buddhism tries to induce. Using E-Prime, you will understand modern science and Zen Buddhism both, a lot better than you've ever understood them before. Martin Gardner has written a long essay proving that to think like this will destroy your mind. I think it adds tremendously to clarity. I am removing the "is" from my writing more and more. Removing it from your speech is even harder.

Zen['s] ... emphasis on mystical union with the source of all being resonated deeply with that need for ultimate truth.
-- Rick Strassman, "Stepping on Holy Toes"

Instead of thinking, "The grass is green," think that "the grass appears green to me." And this saved me a lot of time. By the way, I don't get embroiled in arguments like Beethoven is better than Mozart, or rock is better than soul. I define such things as meaningless. And so when people get into arguments like that I just say, "Well, Beethoven seems better to me than Mozart most of the time." I don't say, "Beethoven is better than Mozart."

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Even if it feels futile--especially if it feels futile--I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.
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I was an atheist for a decade. Sought to find Him the entire time. Either I was deaf or He had a plan that included my being in disbelief until the dogma was erased from my mind.

I can attest that if one does truly seek, He will find you.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


I hear you. Curious, if you were atheist, why would you seek God? Or had you labeled yourself in frustration? Or other. . .
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WHAT IS AT THE HEART OF GLPers??

WHERE DOES THEIR TRUE ALLEGIANCE LIE??




I am curious.....

I've been here for over a year now....

Why?



For 2 reasons....

ONE:

To warn people of the days we live in---Apocolypitic, prophetic, biblical times....

the beginning of the end....

and to point them to GOD through JESUS CHRIST



SECOND:

To encourage my brothers and sisters here





SOOOO.....


HERE IS THE QUESTION:

which one are you??

Christian??

Catholic??

Muslims??

Atheist??

Agnostic??

New Ager??

Buddist??

Hindu??

Satanist??

Black Magic??

Other?

IF OTHER....let us know what you mean.....thanks!


EDITED TO ADD:

FOR ALL my Catholic brothers and sisters...


I tried to change the poll....but it wouldn't let me...

so please forgive me! In no way am I saying that you are not Christian....

I was just trying to point out the different religions...

again, my apologies

peace,
ag

hf
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Maybe it was the Holy Spirit as The Roman Church Slaughtered the Early day Christians for not agreeing with them

In fact the Catholic Church was Predicted by King Nebuchadnezzar and the Prophet Daniel Stated they would rise up and pluck up 3 Kingdoms by the roots

The 3 Christian Kingdoms The Catholic Church Murdered are the: Heruli, Vandals and The Ostrogoths

Because they didn't want to accept Roman authority.
(would Christ Savagely kill men, women and children?

The Papacy finds No problem breaking the 6th Commandment

Daniel Also Predicted they would attempt to alter God's Times and Laws
http:/www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandme​nts.html
and they did that too.

John The Revelator Predicted they would be Drunk on the Blood of Saints and Martyrs

Whilst Sitting on 7 Hills and wearing Purple and scarlet

Now who is it that Murders Christians and then Worships them (in the form of Ancient Pagan Idols attaching New Saintly names)

Oh The Catholic Church has a Dead Saint for everyday of the year + various other specialty saints you say how interesting

Scripture teaches the dead know not anything
BUT........
The Papal Beast teaches you can pray to the dead
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John 11:35 Jesus wept.

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EVERYONE who calls upon the LORD JESUS will be saved! [Romans 10:13]


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