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POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!

 
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I have no "allegiance".

I like to mix and match from different sages. Buddha, Black Elk, the Christ, the Dalai Lama, Frank Zappa, William Blake, ICP, etc...
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Awesome....we can learn something from many sources.
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You will be singing a different tune when standing before the judgment seat of your Creator, Jesus Christ.

Just as man crucified Him in the flesh 2000 years ago, man continues to crucify Him today by rejecting His Word.



(Deuteronomy 6:14) Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you
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Anyone who voted for anything other than "agnostic", is living inside a delusion.
Agnosticism is the only empirically, demonstrably, undeniably 100% accurate belief system, in that it's the only one to face the truth about human nature: We don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526634



Nope, the Bible is perfect, it is the Word of the one and only true living God and your Creator.

Read it for yourself. Do not listen to what anyone says about it.


(Deuteronomy 4:35) Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.
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fuk your preaching op
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I was raised Catholic and i must say that i have found really nothing in my life experience to go against what the Catholic Church teaches except that i find most of the information to be incomplete in the larger sense of things. I have therefore looked into much of what might be called "matters of the occult" sciences and have found that what David Flynn explains to make the most sense. Truth is always subject to larger interpretations from a greater perspective.
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Ah-ha! A current/former Catholic! You are/were a Christian, right?
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This is why God tells man to read His Word himself, instead of listening to any pope or church.


(Matthew 4:4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Not out of the mouth of a pope.
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None of you, and I mean NONE, has any idea!sigh
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Other...because I don't adhere to a specific religion, but the logos itself.
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There are essentially 3 types of people in the religous or religous philosophical realm.

The true God believers: They follow a strict set of religous rules and adhere to them faithfully. this type is rare but does exist.

The luciferions: No rules. Anything goes. They rule the world.

The straddlers: They have a foot in each camp and comprise the majority of all people. They are obedient to most of the tenets of a religous belief but will stray into areas of sin based on weakness, desire, or some other philosophy that may compell or tempt them.
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Anyone who voted for anything other than "agnostic", is living inside a delusion.
Agnosticism is the only empirically, demonstrably, undeniably 100% accurate belief system, in that it's the only one to face the truth about human nature: We don't know.
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#FAIL

As an agnostic you cannot claim that Scientology is retarded or that Romney's magic underpants are total bullshit.
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No, you are the failure, sorry.

1) In this context, obviously, agnosticism means: the belief that the truth of claims about the existence or non-existence of a diety, aren't known and are unknowable.

This is because we can't scientifically test God, or observe God. With "God" it's only loud humans telling us all about God or what God "told" them or how they've personally experienced God.

With cults, we can very easily observe them and determine to our own satisfaction, that we believe they are probably false.

For instance, I love Mormonism because it's the only cult that has been empirically proven to be false, because they say some tribe of Israelites came to the Americas and that's where we get Native Americans from.
Sadly for them, we can now do genetic tests and prove that they weren't related to the Israelites...so we know their "holy" book is built upon lies.

But that does not mean we know for a fact there isn't a God, just that the Mormon cult is false.
Mormonism is not a "deity".
Scientology is not a "deity".




2) I can admit that even that is just my belief, constructed with the use of fallible human senses. Maybe, somehow, in some mind-bending way that I can't even comprehend with my finite human mind, Mormonism and/or Scientology are true. I totally 100% do NOT believe that...but we can't truthfully know anything, so in reality, I just really, really, really, strongly with all my heart and mind, believe it. But, being a finite human, I could be wrong about everything. There was a time that humans used valid scientific observation to "know" for an indisputable "fact", that the Earth is flat and stationary, and the sun revolves around the Earth...'cause, look at it. We're not moving, the horizon is flat, and you can clearly track the movement of the sun every single day!

So of course we have to function using what passes for knowledge, just to live on Earth, and on that level, we can "disprove" the claims of a cult, of people...so their "God" is probably composed of malarky, but that doesn't mean there can not, be a "God".


So, no, you failed.
Keep tryin' though!
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So what does OTHER consist of????
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I believe in God. I consider myself a Christian. I have however, come away from Religiosity.

I saw so many folks struggling with sin. These folks needed to know that there was a power greater then themselves, that there was unconditional love for ALL Sinners, and that God loved them. Yet, time after time, they heard judgmental Christians telling them they were sinning and they were going to hell.

I had been deeply involved in ministry. I begin to notice that some Christians are the nastiest, most hateful people in the world.

In studying the bible I could never find a place where Jesus told people they were going to hell. Lets take the woman at the well, for instance. Jesus could have said, "You are a whore, who is going to hell! Repent so you will be with me in paradise!"

No, he discerned, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, what was going on with her. He kindly told her, that she was trying to fill the hole in her heart with "men" and relationships when what she needed was relationship with HIM.

Then he walked away, he didn't say, "This is your last chance! Repent."

People are in these suits of flesh, until the day we die the best Christian amongst us will be tempted.

I recently studied the Jewish teaching on the 13 attributes of Mercy. Some of the judgmental ones here, need to look them up and do the study. Moses was given these at the time he received the "tablets." Over and Over again they speak of God's mercy. The 10th or 11th one is interesting in that God tells Moses that there is punishment, but after punishment is Mercy. These 13 attributes are still recited on special Jewish Holiday.

Some of you act as if you never sin. You need to quit talking love and start showing love. You need to learn that God is merciful.

Judgment sounds ugly and it looks ugly, and it gives God a bad name. You catch the fish, and let HIM clean them up.

I could go on and on. I could talk about all these ministers who live like royalty, while their congregation is made to feel guilty for not tithing. My thought on that? If they have such faith themselves, they would take the tithes one month out of the year and divide them amongst the congregation, and then try living on FAITH themselves.
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Buddhist but I acknowledge the name Yeshua does have power and authority in the spirit world.
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Other: None of the above
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Why Catholics and Christians are two separate options?

Catholics are Christians.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!
WHAT IS AT THE HEART OF GLPers??

WHERE DOES THEIR TRUE ALLEGIANCE LIE??




I am curious.....

I've been here for over a year now....

Why?



For 2 reasons....

ONE:

To warn people of the days we live in---Apocolypitic, prophetic, biblical times....

the beginning of the end....

and to point them to GOD through JESUS CHRIST



SECOND:

To encourage my brothers and sisters here





SOOOO.....


HERE IS THE QUESTION:

which one are you??

Christian??

Catholic??

Muslims??

Atheist??

Agnostic??

New Ager??

Buddist??

Hindu??

Satanist??

Black Magic??

Other?

IF OTHER....let us know what you mean.....thanks!


EDITED TO ADD:

FOR ALL my Catholic brothers and sisters...


I tried to change the poll....but it wouldn't let me...

so please forgive me! In no way am I saying that you are not Christian....

I was just trying to point out the different religions...

again, my apologies

peace,
ag

hf
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So the count goes...165 hypocrites

150 liars...

...and 97 people who have transcended ALL that bullshit.
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wow i thought there were alot of open minds here, but this shows an extremely high percentage of brain-washed ignorance
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Christian all the way
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Other, meaning Taoist.
None of the western religions with their stories and mass pages of words and rules reflect reality in any way. They are a springboard for more emotional pathology.
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wow i thought there were alot of open minds here, but this shows an extremely high percentage of brain-washed ignorance
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bump
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Nope, the Bible is perfect
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All 35,000 translations of it? Really? I'm not a big fan of worshiping the collection of books dictated by the Roman Catholic Council of Nicea.
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new age/spiritual being..

i know we are not alone in the universes..


i know we do not die, ever...


i know that we are ALL from Creator/Source and that we are a part of him/her:)



i love you
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This^^^^^
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I'm an atheist until the clouds part and the flying spaghetti monster says hello!
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The FSM(flying spaghetti monster)parody is an instance of intelligent design, but unjustified as it attributes properties to the designer which can not be inferred from biological complexity.

As a material object, extended in space and time- it can not be the cause of the Big Bang, because the CAUSE of the big bang has to exist BEYOND space and time and be the creator of all matter and energy in the universe.

So....the FSM parody does NOTHING to undercut the standard arguments for a trancendent creator.
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dude? what the hell did you just say?
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More crazies showing there true colors. If god wants me to believe then show me your face. If god doesn't then I have no choice to think that religious stories are just that,stories. All christians can do is quote monks who wanted to keep power for themselves.
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The catagories are insulting/condescending. Would it have been so hard to list list Catholic and Protestant instead of implying that Catholics are not "Christian"?

Then there are Pentecostals -- that would have been interesting. And also, with current affairs being what they are (Mit Romney's run for president), it would have been fun to see how many Mormons there are.
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Very insulting yes. Catholic is a Faith of the Christian Religion.

OP should have named the first one "Born Again Christian", because that is what she is referring to.
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You will be singing a different tune when standing before the judgment seat of your Creator, Jesus Christ.

Just as man crucified Him in the flesh 2000 years ago, man continues to crucify Him today by rejecting His Word.
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before jesus teleports me to hell, i will request of him "jesus, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
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Went for Agnostic.. but dunno now.. could be Athiest.. other, spiritual, or if I think there's a God.. it wouldn't be the 'religious God.' Have seen a young blue skinned young man on a train who looked like Vishnu (not made up, even other passengers saw him sitting there for a few moments), but was it God? or who or what was it. I wasn't the only.. witness. I can't stand religion, & not hot on athiests anymore either.
Best to be in a ready fluid state of flux, universally openminded to any probabilities that present themselves, without restriction of fixed belief systems in material sensory view points. Spiritual energy is real & open, curved, fractal, luminious & effervescent in nature, full of conscious love & creativity. Matter is merely just this same energy slowed right down, folded into fractal geometric toriod shapes which constantly spring between 2 states within fixed electric/magnetic/gravity & repulsion fields around us.
Part of our lower spiritual 'being' is trapped/interacting within biological states & matter, forced in mind distractions, eye/ear candy, taste-smell & most of all.. Pain! Pain & fear keeps us dark & trapped, esp: emotional & physical pain. I've tried Bhuddist techniques to overcome pain with 'limited' success, but not sustained success tho'.

The thing that bugs me though.. is that when a person loses their mind.. alzhiemers, stroke, dementia, mental illness etc.. are they just merely losing their memory/functionality with the material physical world.. powerless to stop it.. but aware of it? Is the 'soul' or whatever it is.. an empty energy chamber without memories, perception, feelings & conscious awareness till it reacts with bio-material senses, including the mind-brain? Are our souls just zombied in the 'spiritual world' waiting for a 'programme' to run, so the soul can interact with it? Or maybe all 'souls' are clones of the same source, but each soul is uniquely 'tweeted' to operate at a diffrent set of frequency ranges within spiritual & material waveforms.
What struck me about Vishnu-Krishna.. was this character's ability to be infinitely (like a fractal), osscilate everywhere & in everyone (or part of himself?) at the same time. Spiritual realm would have no space & time, except whatever soul-mind generated in it's imagination or memory. Create your own virual 3D geometric world in whatever frequency density one wishes, add time/space to slow down energy into matter.. create 'anything/anyone/anything' one wishes for.. just as in a dream or mind image, not 'physically' real as in our material dense realm. Realm ought to be thought of as without space, time, borders.. or anything else defined. Just is.. Energy sits & waits around waiting for a conscious mind to command it. I'm leaning towards the existence of a supreme Godhead..simply cos.. 'Who made all this anyway?!'
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Anyone who voted for anything other than "agnostic", is living inside a delusion.
Agnosticism is the only empirically, demonstrably, undeniably 100% accurate belief system, in that it's the only one to face the truth about human nature: We don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526634


#FAIL

As an agnostic you cannot claim that Scientology is retarded or that Romney's magic underpants are total bullshit.
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No, you are the failure, sorry.

1) In this context, obviously, agnosticism means: the belief that the truth of claims about the existence or non-existence of a diety, aren't known and are unknowable.

This is because we can't scientifically test God, or observe God. With "God" it's only loud humans telling us all about God or what God "told" them or how they've personally experienced God.

With cults, we can very easily observe them and determine to our own satisfaction, that we believe they are probably false.

For instance, I love Mormonism because it's the only cult that has been empirically proven to be false, because they say some tribe of Israelites came to the Americas and that's where we get Native Americans from.
Sadly for them, we can now do genetic tests and prove that they weren't related to the Israelites...so we know their "holy" book is built upon lies.

But that does not mean we know for a fact there isn't a God, just that the Mormon cult is false.
Mormonism is not a "deity".
Scientology is not a "deity".




2) I can admit that even that is just my belief, constructed with the use of fallible human senses. Maybe, somehow, in some mind-bending way that I can't even comprehend with my finite human mind, Mormonism and/or Scientology are true. I totally 100% do NOT believe that...but we can't truthfully know anything, so in reality, I just really, really, really, strongly with all my heart and mind, believe it. But, being a finite human, I could be wrong about everything. There was a time that humans used valid scientific observation to "know" for an indisputable "fact", that the Earth is flat and stationary, and the sun revolves around the Earth...'cause, look at it. We're not moving, the horizon is flat, and you can clearly track the movement of the sun every single day!

So of course we have to function using what passes for knowledge, just to live on Earth, and on that level, we can "disprove" the claims of a cult, of people...so their "God" is probably composed of malarky, but that doesn't mean there can not, be a "God".


So, no, you failed.
Keep tryin' though!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526634


clappa
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Technology will be the new god and our savior.
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Nope, the Bible is perfect
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All 35,000 translations of it? Really? I'm not a big fan of worshiping the collection of books dictated by the Roman Catholic Council of Nicea.
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Not to mention that there are quite a few books "missing"...oops...I just mentioned it!
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Nope, the Bible is perfect
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All 35,000 translations of it? Really? I'm not a big fan of worshiping the collection of books dictated by the Roman Catholic Council of Nicea.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Not only that but, the King James version bible (falsely sworn by born again christians to be authentically God's word) was rewritten by King James who was a pedophile and also a freemason. He rewrote the bible in his favor as a government document to control the people.

And you wonder why so many born agains quote Romans 13, I'm sorry but what fools!
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I chose Catholic but Catholics were the first Christians, so that should be combined.

Catholics = Christians, although it is true that Christians do not equal Catholics.
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I have no "allegiance".

I like to mix and match from different sages. Buddha, Black Elk, the Christ, the Dalai Lama, Frank Zappa, William Blake, ICP, etc...
 Quoting: Captain Spaulding 14985884


Awesome....we can learn something from many sources.
 Quoting: ohhappydays



You will be singing a different tune when standing before the judgment seat of your Creator, Jesus Christ.

Just as man crucified Him in the flesh 2000 years ago, man continues to crucify Him today by rejecting His Word.



(Deuteronomy 6:14) Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you
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If Jesus was next to you right now, he'd slap you in the face and format your hard drive.

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