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POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!

 
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
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i'll have the one at the most top plz..
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yea....

that is where my heart is at too!
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I answered the same but... really it is more than that.. more of a combination of many.. and the one true GOD..
"The Great Central Sun is One with every individual's Mighty I AM Presence."
"I invoke the mighty I AM presence to flood our world with light, perfection, wisdom, love, abundance and protection."
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Like the thread.
Love to hear about the recovered and recovering catholics as well.
It is simple. People lash out against the Truth.
Praise God for those that have decided to follow Jesus. It is called a walk for a reason. We are all on our way.

I love the way Andrew Womack puts it, " It have not arrived, but dog gone it, I have left."
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
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AMEN !!!

1Corinthians 1:11-13
11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
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I am a Christian of the Byzantine Catholic Faith. We beleive that Jesus paid the penalty for our sin, by dying on the Cross for us. It is up to us, individually, whether we accept His sacrifice or not. That is what "free will" is about. God wants us to choose Him, but will not force us.

IMO, "Catholic" should not be a seperate choice on this poll. I did not participate in this poll because I could not check both Catholic and Christian. That would be like someone having to check Baptist and Christian.
Just as there are those in many other Christian Churches with varying doctrines and varied beleifs, so to in the Catholic Church.
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For those that could not choose between a religion and Jesus. The term Christian has the word Christ in it.
I myself do not like being called a Christian because too many cults use it as an umbrella to hide under though.
My point is that if you are a follower of Christ there should not be a problem saying so. If you are questioning this there may be some soul searching that needs to be done.
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For those that could not choose between a religion and Jesus. The term Christian has the word Christ in it.
I myself do not like being called a Christian because too many cults use it as an umbrella to hide under though.
My point is that if you are a follower of Christ there should not be a problem saying so. If you are questioning this there may be some soul searching that needs to be done.
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Absolutely not. Why categorize a particular church seperately, when the church is in actuality, the original Christian Church. To categorize it seperately, implies that it is not Christian. Some cannot see the forest through the trees.
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For those that could not choose between a religion and Jesus. The term Christian has the word Christ in it.
I myself do not like being called a Christian because too many cults use it as an umbrella to hide under though.
My point is that if you are a follower of Christ there should not be a problem saying so. If you are questioning this there may be some soul searching that needs to be done.
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Absolutely not. Why categorize a particular church seperately, when the church is in actuality, the original Christian Church. To categorize it seperately, implies that it is not Christian. Some cannot see the forest through the trees.
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A church is a building full of idols, maybe some men in dresses, and many empty people.

THE CHURCH is the Body of Christ. Those that follow Jesus and Him alone. Jesus taught how to come to
God the Father and how we are to live for Him.
When people wanted to give credit to the men preaching in the original Christian church those men rebuke that credit and directed all credit and glory to God.
What a sharp contrast to what is considered the church today.
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the original Christian Church
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I'm so sick of this lie being thrown in my face.

The first "church" were the apostles. The word translated as "church" is one of two words. Either "Synogogua" (can't have people thinking that the Hebrews had ANYTHING to do with Yahushua, afterall) and "Ecclisia" the former being pretty obvious and the latter word meaning "assembly". Hence, ANY group of people gathered in His name.

Not this organization for profit that is the RCC.

There were no popes hanging out in Jerusalem in 30 A.D. There were no men in black suits with funny collars demanding people disobey Yahushua and call them "father".

Sorry to break it to you, but the RCC wasn't founded until LONG after the apostles died.

The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).

EDIT TO ADD: I want to make it abundantly clear that I honestly feel that most Catholics are honorable, noble and wonderful people filled with love.

But the worship of the RCC has to stop. Worshiping an institution is blasphemy.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 04/27/2012 09:45 PM
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


I Disagree, we are all sons of GOD, We have free will and will exist eternally.

My GOD does not judge, only guides/loves.

To connect with GOD you must go within.

My feelings on this.

Love and Gratitude
 Quoting: Mark844 1489356


Agreed 1000%! The Ascended Masters(Jesus, Buddha, Maitreya, Mother Mary, etc.) have a saying they teach. "What one has done, all can do".

We humans have to potential to do anything any of the Ascended Masters did while on earth. Jesus tried to teach this to the people of His time. The apostles and many of Jesus' followers knew this truth. Like it was during Jesus' time, mans ego and lust for structure/control has set up a situation where everybody is in a pissing match about who's holy book or religion has the keys to ultimate truth.

We are all one. We collectively need to find our "I Am Presence" within, to ever have a chance of breaking down the perceived walls of division that keep us from truly loving one another. Namaste!
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


I Disagree, we are all sons of GOD, We have free will and will exist eternally.

My GOD does not judge, only guides/loves.

To connect with GOD you must go within.

My feelings on this.

Love and Gratitude
 Quoting: Mark844 1489356


Agreed 1000%! The Ascended Masters(Jesus, Buddha, Maitreya, Mother Mary, etc.) have a saying they teach. "What one has done, all can do".

We humans have to potential to do anything any of the Ascended Masters did while on earth. Jesus tried to teach this to the people of His time. The apostles and many of Jesus' followers knew this truth. Like it was during Jesus' time, mans ego and lust for structure/control has set up a situation where everybody is in a pissing match about who's holy book or religion has the keys to ultimate truth.

We are all one. We collectively need to find our "I Am Presence" within, to ever have a chance of breaking down the perceived walls of division that keep us from truly loving one another. Namaste!
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AC, I was logged on????
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the original Christian Church
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I'm so sick of this lie being thrown in my face.

The first "church" were the apostles. The word translated as "church" is one of two words. Either "Synogogua" (can't have people thinking that the Hebrews had ANYTHING to do with Yahushua, afterall) and "Ecclisia" the former being pretty obvious and the latter word meaning "assembly". Hence, ANY group of people gathered in His name.

Not this organization for profit that is the RCC.

There were no popes hanging out in Jerusalem in 30 A.D. There were no men in black suits with funny collars demanding people disobey Yahushua and call them "father".

Sorry to break it to you, but the RCC wasn't founded until LONG after the apostles died.

The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).

EDIT TO ADD: I want to make it abundantly clear that I honestly feel that most Catholics are honorable, noble and wonderful people filled with love.

But the worship of the RCC has to stop. Worshiping an institution is blasphemy.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


How come there were no protestant churches until Martin Luther came along? When Martin Luther did his protest, there were 2 branches of the Christian church at that time, the Catholic, and the Orthodox who had split from the Catholic Church about 300 years earlier.
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"Jesus is coming soon"....

Do not die in mortal sin, believe Our Lord's teaching.
Prophecy is a help for people in a particular period of time.


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Friday, April 27, 2012


Children of My Divine Heart,
I Am that I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega. I Am. Hear Me. I desire to instruct you. My ways are mysterious to many of you. You think that all will go well if you control all things. My Little Ones, you err. I desire to reveal certain truths to you now. You must rely on Me for all things. You must not think that you can exist without My blessing. Be not so quick to shut Me out of your lives. I control all things, the planets, the stars, the tides. All things are under My dominion. Satan has robbed Me of many souls. He has taken possession of beings that were created for My glory. Hear this: Satan's reign nears an end. I will come in glory to claim what is rightfully mine. I will come shortly. Prepare your hearts. Change your ways. Prepare to welcome Me as your King, for I Am, the King of Kings, desires to establish a Kingdom on Earth. My Kingdom on High has been known to man for many centuries now. This Kingdom will be extended to the Earth, and I will extend My dominion on all creatures. Open your hearts to this. Open your hearts to Me. Surrender to this. Give Me permission to assist you in your spiritual journeys. You exist only to please, adore, and honor Me. You would do well to remember this. Live for My glory. Pray. Pray without ceasing. Help Me to prepare others to this. Many ignore what awaits mankind. Many have not yet learned to read the signs of the times. Many think that I will sit back, and allow corruption to attain global proportions, and destruction to continue unchecked. My Children, you must know, deep in your hearts, that My Second Coming is near. Do you not feel drawn to Me in love? Do you not feel a greater need to unite with Me? Time is of the essence. Prepare your families, and those you hold dear to your heart, for My Return. Many will be caught off guard. Many will die in a state of mortal sin, and will merit eternal damnation for their breeches in love. Reform your ways while there is still time. Return to Me. Confess your sins to My consecrated sons, and remain pure, and blameless before My sight. Do not gamble with the state of your souls. You will regret all decisions made in haste, all decisions taken in indifference, and in ignorance. My Children, I have engraved My Holy Laws upon your hearts. Do not tell Me that you do not know what is right from what is wrong. I Am, the Author of All Things, am omnipresent, omnipotent. You can not hide behind excuses any longer. I have spoken. Hear Me. If you refuse to comply, know that you call down My wrath upon yourselves, your respective countries, and continents. Walk in humility, in obedience, and in total trust in Me. Legislate for My glory, or be refined as gold to the fire. I leave you My kiss of peace. Shalom


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the original Christian Church
 Quoting: tiger1


I'm so sick of this lie being thrown in my face.

The first "church" were the apostles. The word translated as "church" is one of two words. Either "Synogogua" (can't have people thinking that the Hebrews had ANYTHING to do with Yahushua, afterall) and "Ecclisia" the former being pretty obvious and the latter word meaning "assembly". Hence, ANY group of people gathered in His name.

Not this organization for profit that is the RCC.

There were no popes hanging out in Jerusalem in 30 A.D. There were no men in black suits with funny collars demanding people disobey Yahushua and call them "father".

Sorry to break it to you, but the RCC wasn't founded until LONG after the apostles died.

The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).

EDIT TO ADD: I want to make it abundantly clear that I honestly feel that most Catholics are honorable, noble and wonderful people filled with love.

But the worship of the RCC has to stop. Worshiping an institution is blasphemy.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


How come there were no protestant churches until Martin Luther came along? When Martin Luther did his protest, there were 2 branches of the Christian church at that time, the Catholic, and the Orthodox who had split from the Catholic Church about 300 years earlier.
 Quoting: tiger1


Perhaps because the papacy brutally and viciously murdered anyone that wasn't Catholic? If that answer was too "in your face", let's try a less embarassing one then: Perhaps the invention of the printing press allowing people to finally read the texts for themselves instead of just obeying what they were told?

Fear is quite a motivator. My people were slaughtered by the estimated millions over the centuries by the RCC for simply obeying the 4th commandment and observing the Sabbath instead of bowing to their will and worshipping on the Venerable day of the sun, of which there is no scriptural substantiation, by the Church's own admission.

"Protestant" by definition means they protest the RCC. History has shown well what happened to anyone that dared to do that for well over 1000 years.

Your post seems to assume that no Hebrews ever accepted HaMoshiach. What an arrogant claim.

I had hoped that my making it clear that I have little issue with followers of the RCC would have prevented backlash. However, institution worship also is quite a powerful motivator.

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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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the original Christian Church
 Quoting: tiger1


I'm so sick of this lie being thrown in my face.

The first "church" were the apostles. The word translated as "church" is one of two words. Either "Synogogua" (can't have people thinking that the Hebrews had ANYTHING to do with Yahushua, afterall) and "Ecclisia" the former being pretty obvious and the latter word meaning "assembly". Hence, ANY group of people gathered in His name.

Not this organization for profit that is the RCC.

There were no popes hanging out in Jerusalem in 30 A.D. There were no men in black suits with funny collars demanding people disobey Yahushua and call them "father".

Sorry to break it to you, but the RCC wasn't founded until LONG after the apostles died.

The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).

EDIT TO ADD: I want to make it abundantly clear that I honestly feel that most Catholics are honorable, noble and wonderful people filled with love.

But the worship of the RCC has to stop. Worshiping an institution is blasphemy.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


How come there were no protestant churches until Martin Luther came along? When Martin Luther did his protest, there were 2 branches of the Christian church at that time, the Catholic, and the Orthodox who had split from the Catholic Church about 300 years earlier.
 Quoting: tiger1

Because Luther had his eyes opened to how far out of whack things had become. Golden calf = perpetual virgin mary, and so on.
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


This is the biggest LIE in christianity. Everyone who can think, whether born or angel is a Son of God. He did not give up his life. HE was MURDERED. No one can redeem you except you. Not any other person can bear your own karma or educate your mind FOR YOU.
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"I am telling you the truth: those who hear my words and believe in him who sent me have eternal life. They will not be judged, but have already passed from death to life. I am telling you the truth: the time is coming---the time has already come---when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will come to life. Just as the Father is himself the source of life, in the same way he has made his Son to be the source of life. And he has given the Son the right to judge, because he is the Son of Man. Do not be surprised at this; the time is coming when all the dead will hear his voice
(John 5:24-28)
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
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Do any of you think you are religious? If you do not control your tongue, your religion is worthless and you deceive yourself. What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.
(Jas 1:26-27)
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Like the thread.
Love to hear about the recovered and recovering catholics as well.
It is simple. People lash out against the Truth.
Praise God for those that have decided to follow Jesus. It is called a walk for a reason. We are all on our way.

I love the way Andrew Womack puts it, " It have not arrived, but dog gone it, I have left."
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I'm a recovering Cathaholic...lucky for me I was adopted by God aka reborn Pentecost 2010. I left the church around 1991. I should say the Catholic Church left Christ some time ago it seems.....today they are positioning to be center stage for?


I started a bible study in a Catholic Church....300 members.....3 showed up for Bible study. WTF? I knew this was not good,not good at all.

FREE with study guides and commentaries ==> [link to www.e-sword.net]

If anyone is interested in what Jesus had to say, read the 4 books titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John....use the Good News Bible, easy everyday English. Only 120 pages that will change your life and make it eternal if you only believe in the Christ. goodnews
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Like the thread.
Love to hear about the recovered and recovering catholics as well.
It is simple. People lash out against the Truth.
Praise God for those that have decided to follow Jesus. It is called a walk for a reason. We are all on our way.

I love the way Andrew Womack puts it, " It have not arrived, but dog gone it, I have left."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14422899


I'm a recovering Cathaholic...lucky for me I was adopted by God aka reborn Pentecost 2010. I left the church around 1991. I should say the Catholic Church left Christ some time ago it seems.....today they are positioning to be center stage for?


I started a bible study in a Catholic Church....300 members.....3 showed up for Bible study. WTF? I knew this was not good,not good at all.

FREE with study guides and commentaries ==> [link to www.e-sword.net]

If anyone is interested in what Jesus had to say, read the 4 books titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John....use the Good News Bible, easy everyday English. Only 120 pages that will change your life and make it eternal if you only believe in the Christ. goodnews
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Congrats on having the Lord open your eyes.
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Like the thread.
Love to hear about the recovered and recovering catholics as well.
It is simple. People lash out against the Truth.
Praise God for those that have decided to follow Jesus. It is called a walk for a reason. We are all on our way.

I love the way Andrew Womack puts it, " It have not arrived, but dog gone it, I have left."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14422899


I'm a recovering Cathaholic...lucky for me I was adopted by God aka reborn Pentecost 2010. I left the church around 1991. I should say the Catholic Church left Christ some time ago it seems.....today they are positioning to be center stage for?


I started a bible study in a Catholic Church....300 members.....3 showed up for Bible study. WTF? I knew this was not good,not good at all.

FREE with study guides and commentaries ==> [link to www.e-sword.net]

If anyone is interested in what Jesus had to say, read the 4 books titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John....use the Good News Bible, easy everyday English. Only 120 pages that will change your life and make it eternal if you only believe in the Christ. goodnews
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Congrats on having the Lord open your eyes.
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Yeah, it was intense, Thanks God! Thanks Jesus! Thanks Christ! Thanks Holy Spirit of God!
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


This is the biggest LIE in christianity. Everyone who can think, whether born or angel is a Son of God. He did not give up his life. HE was MURDERED. No one can redeem you except you. Not any other person can bear your own karma or educate your mind FOR YOU.
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It is not a lie. You lie just as 1 john 2 states you lie.

Anyone that does not believe this is an antichrist.....

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Tempus Edax Rerum - Time devours all things

Tempus est optimus iudex - Time will tell
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094665


Do any of you think you are religious? If you do not control your tongue, your religion is worthless and you deceive yourself. What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.
(Jas 1:26-27)
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God gave man the Bible to explain what He means by "keep oneself from being corrupted by the world."

Otherwise man's desperately wicked heart would ascribe his own definition of license and convenience to it.

Quoting scripture to argue that any part of God's Holy Word should not be preached is blasphemous.


(2 Timothy 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
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Do any of you think you are religious? If you do not control your tongue, your religion is worthless and you deceive yourself. What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.
(Jas 1:26-27)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7111119


God gave man the Bible to explain what He means by "keep oneself from being corrupted by the world."

Otherwise man's desperately wicked heart would ascribe his own definition of license and convenience to it.

Quoting scripture to argue that any part of God's Holy Word should not be preached is blasphemous.


(2 Timothy 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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"Quoting scripture to argue that any part of God's Holy Word should not be preached is blasphemous." What are you talking bout, what is blasphemous above?
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The only SPIRITUAL allegiance is to CREATOR. Not man made religions. I allow NO ONE between me and God. When you belong to a religion you give you power to another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094665


Do any of you think you are religious? If you do not control your tongue, your religion is worthless and you deceive yourself. What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.
(Jas 1:26-27)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7111119


God gave man the Bible to explain what He means by "keep oneself from being corrupted by the world."

Otherwise man's desperately wicked heart would ascribe his own definition of license and convenience to it.

Quoting scripture to argue that any part of God's Holy Word should not be preached is blasphemous.


(2 Timothy 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
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Not that I think this is what you're saying, but it bears repeating: When Paul wrote that letter, I really don't think he was referring to the letter he was writing as "scripture".
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!
Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
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Yes, one question. Are you a Christian? :)
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


Yes, one question. Are you a Christian? :)
 Quoting: SoulWinner


The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me.
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He kinda answered that in the post you quoted, brother.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Like the thread.
Love to hear about the recovered and recovering catholics as well.
It is simple. People lash out against the Truth.
Praise God for those that have decided to follow Jesus. It is called a walk for a reason. We are all on our way.

I love the way Andrew Womack puts it, " It have not arrived, but dog gone it, I have left."
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Former Catholic. While i initially rejected practically every aspect of the RCC after salvation, I now believe many, many Catholics are redeemed. I still think error permeates the RCC, but possibly no more or less than practically every Protestant church I have attended. To me, it comes down to this crucial question: What does it mean to turn to Christ? It is not, I am convinced, regurgitating a prayer of salvation, nor is it, IMO, clinging to sacraments or receiving communion. However, all of those actions MIGHT be outward manifestations of the heart turning to Christ. This conclusion is profound to me. Although I am no Catholic, I desire with all my heart to spend etetnity in Heaven with every single Catholic. I have nothing but love for Catholics. My late mother was a devout Catholic who demonstrated fruit of the Holy Spirit more than many so-called born-again believers (no offense intended; in fact, I am a born-again believer). The more i get to know the Lord Jesus, the more confident i become in His grace and mercy. Here's to seeing billions more than we expected in Heaven!
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Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


Yes, one question. Are you a Christian? :)
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The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me.
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He kinda answered that in the post you quoted, brother.
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Yes, I was trying to be funny and obviously did not succed. He answered it very clearly and powerfully, so I asked him the basic question in attempted humor. If you remember Gilligan's Island, I was acting like Gilligan. I will go back to my knitting now . . .
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Re: POLL: What do you believe?? Where DOES your spiritual allegiance lie?? Everyone has one!!
Jesus is the only born son of God. He lived a perfect life, gave up his life to redeem those who would repent of their sins and believe in him, and He arose from the grave in victory over death.

I follow Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Christ is the Greek word for anointed one, the equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah which is the one who will come. Jesus is the fulfillment of prophesy as the anointed one who will come. The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me. Any questions?
 Quoting: Resister


Yes, one question. Are you a Christian? :)
 Quoting: SoulWinner


The definition of the word Christian is follower of Christ. That's me.
 Quoting: Resister


He kinda answered that in the post you quoted, brother.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Yes, I was trying to be funny and obviously did not succed. He answered it very clearly and powerfully, so I asked him the basic question in attempted humor. If you remember Gilligan's Island, I was acting like Gilligan. I will go back to my knitting now . . .
 Quoting: SoulWinner



Awww, I'm sorry, sarcasm and humor often don't convey well in text.

Had I had realized that, I'd have shared a laugh with you. Heartily.
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes
"The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin
The Self Defining Hebrew System: [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]
Real men keep Torah.
Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10.

Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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the original Christian Church
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I'm so sick of this lie being thrown in my face.

The first "church" were the apostles. The word translated as "church" is one of two words. Either "Synogogua" (can't have people thinking that the Hebrews had ANYTHING to do with Yahushua, afterall) and "Ecclisia" the former being pretty obvious and the latter word meaning "assembly". Hence, ANY group of people gathered in His name.

Not this organization for profit that is the RCC.

There were no popes hanging out in Jerusalem in 30 A.D. There were no men in black suits with funny collars demanding people disobey Yahushua and call them "father".

Sorry to break it to you, but the RCC wasn't founded until LONG after the apostles died.

The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).

EDIT TO ADD: I want to make it abundantly clear that I honestly feel that most Catholics are honorable, noble and wonderful people filled with love.

But the worship of the RCC has to stop. Worshiping an institution is blasphemy.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


How come there were no protestant churches until Martin Luther came along? When Martin Luther did his protest, there were 2 branches of the Christian church at that time, the Catholic, and the Orthodox who had split from the Catholic Church about 300 years earlier.

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Perhaps because the papacy brutally and viciously murdered anyone that wasn't Catholic? If that answer was too "in your face", let's try a less embarassing one then: Perhaps the invention of the printing press allowing people to finally read the texts for themselves instead of just obeying what they were told?

Fear is quite a motivator. My people were slaughtered by the estimated millions over the centuries by the RCC for simply obeying the 4th commandment and observing the Sabbath instead of bowing to their will and worshipping on the Venerable day of the sun, of which there is no scriptural substantiation, by the Church's own admission.

"Protestant" by definition means they protest the RCC. History has shown well what happened to anyone that dared to do that for well over 1000 years.

Your post seems to assume that no Hebrews ever accepted HaMoshiach. What an arrogant claim.

I had hoped that my making it clear that I have little issue with followers of the RCC would have prevented backlash. However, institution worship also is quite a powerful motivator.
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People can read your view of the faith is faulty, it's not true, with your using a couple of vague unspecific one sentence statements, all negative.

Catholics get a warm loving feeling from reading your kind
post. How is it you have no holy "fear" of God? Attacking Catholicism, your term, truly, the oldest "institution" established by God Himself, our Savior Jesus Christ.


"Perhaps because the papacy brutally and viciously murdered anyone that wasn't Catholic?"


This is your answer to the question? I am wondering how did all the lol reformers, Martin Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wycliffe...survive?

Beloved Peter, the first Pope, Christ's Vicar on earth and His successors to follow in an unbroken line is Christian history from the beginning. The "papacy murdered anyone that wasn't Catholic", where is that in history? How about Cromwell, who murdered millions of Irish Catholics by starvation in the Protestant persecution, even thousands of his own English Catholics?

"My people"...right, are you sure?

About the printing press, you meant to mislead, detract
from the fact the Bible is Catholic.


"Perhaps the invention of the printing press allowing people to finally read the texts for themselves instead of just obeying what they were told?"


Come up with something new, "hand written" was the method of copy before the printing press.

Perhaps,tomato you are a former Roman Catholic.

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