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sex outside of marriage, adultery, and sodomy... forbidden
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Jesus condemned sexual immorality. most of this definition is btwn men and women.
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There are twelve mentions of homosexuality in the Bible:

2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
5 refer to cult prostitution (Deuteronomy 23:17-18, 1 Kings 14:23-24, 15:12-13, 22:46, 2 Kings 23:6-8)
1 refers to prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
4 are nonspecific (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:8-10)

Old Testament
The first mention in the Bible is in Genesis 19:1-13. The wicked men of Sodom attempted a homosexual rape of two messengers from God who had come to visit Lot. As a result of this and other widespread wickedness, God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in a storm of fire and brimstone.

The next two mentions are in Leviticus:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

Life was harsh in early Old Testament times. The wanderings and struggle for survival of the Israelites did not permit prisons or rehabilitation. Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death or exiled. The Old Testament prescribed the death penalty for the crimes of murder, attacking or cursing a parent, kidnapping, failure to confine a dangerous animal resulting in death, witchcraft and sorcery, sex with an animal, doing work on the Sabbath, incest, adultery, homosexual acts, prostitution by a priest's daughter, blasphemy, false prophecy, perjury in capital cases and false claim of a woman's virginity at the time of marriage.

It must be emphasized that, according to the New Testament, we are no longer under the harsh Old Testament Law (John 1:16-17, Romans 8:1-3, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21). The concern with punishment is now secondary to Jesus' message of repentance and redemption. Both reward and punishment are seen as properly taking place in eternity, rather than in this life.

In Old Testament times, homosexual activity was strongly associated with idolatrous cult prostitution as in 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12. (There was also cult prostitution by females.) In fact, the word "abomination," used in both mentions of homosexual acts in Leviticus, is a translation of the Hebrew word tow' ebah which, according to Strong's Greek/Hebrew Dictionary, means something morally disgusting, but it also has a strong implication of idolatry. Thus, many Bible scholars believe the condemnations in Leviticus are more a condemnation of the idolatry than of the homosexual acts themselves. However, that interpretation is not certain.

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Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuals, but he did imply that renouncing sexual acts was the way towards the Kingdom.

"Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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youre right but this is a heart issue. attempt at moderation. i think you summed it up in the verse you quoted. the fact that Jesus acknowledged that eunuchs were made in the womb is interesting. we now know through science that there is very little diference between a male and female. i mean it takes one little chemical added at a certain time in gestation to create the male. or something like that. anyway Jesus knew this scientific fact before science. so let me ask this... is all eunuch created with physical proof? i mean surely it is possible that a man develop as a man but still be a eunuch in dna. i am not sure but it just makes sense to me.

i used to scoff at the people that would use this as an excuse to be gay. i am VERY conservative. but this makes sense. if a man is born with the desire of a woman (and a woman the same) would our loving, compassionate God expect them to deny the sexual desire that HE Himself gave to us? i dont know that it would be very righteous to expect someone to deny the most instinctual urge He gave us for reproduction of the race He created.

however there are people that are perverted and want to try everything sexual just to do it. they will deny morals for sexual gratification. i am not being closed off here. you know what i mean. that is a heart issue. i think that is lesson He spoke of. i mean come on if we followed the church dogma we wouldnt drink even though Christs first miracle was making wine. i dont drink because i struggled with it in my past. that was a heart issue i had to take care of with His help.

just a thought...
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Until this vengeful beast is obliterated, hate, pain and suffering will always reign supreme...Our maker(s) are yet to be judged by their creator.
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The only thing changed in NT was the elimination of the sacrificial system (Col.2:14-17)

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
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"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Leviticus 20:13, KJV


You do know abomination is a very harsh word, don't you.
...and it is servant not son by the way. What are you reading out of the misleading NIV?
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show me where Jesus refers to this. show me any passage from Jesus that speaks about homosexuality.
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Jesus said He came to fulfill the old testament - not to change it - what is in the old testament still stands
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SO you kill your neighbors who work on the Sabbath as the OT commands?
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i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
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...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
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God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
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there are a number of verses, however, that condemn homophobia. The story in Matthew about the centurion who asks Jesus to heal his "son" was not his son, but the word actually means something quite different. The translations suggest that the word used for "son" actually meant most likely his lover - or more specifically, the young man who served the centurion sexually which was not uncommon for Rome back then.

(the centurion i am speaking of is the one who asked Jesus to heal his "son", Jesus asks him to take him to the young man, and the centurion replies 'only say the word and I know he will be healed' then Jesus commends his great faith)

Matthew 8:5-13:
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.



These verses describe how a Roman centurion asked Jesus to cure his "pais" who lay paralyzed and in great agony. The centurion stated that all Jesus had to do was to say the right words to effect the cure. Jesus praised the centurion for his faith. If the boy had been the centurion's son, then the author probably would have used the Greek word "uios" (son). If the writer wanted to imply that they boy was a slave or indentured servant, then he probably would have used the word "duolos" (slave). But he did not. He used the Greek word pais which, in this situation, contains the suggestion of a young male kept for sexual purposes by his adult owner. The English word "pederasty" comes partly from this word. Various translations of the Christian Scriptures have suppressed the possible sexual component of the term and translated the word simply as a "servant boy", "serving boy", "young servant," "my son," and "my boy." A present-day relationship of this type would be considered child sexual abuse, a serious crime. However, such arrangements were common in the Roman Empire at the time, and were tolerated by society, as was human slavery itself.

The Gospel of Luke, starting at Luke 7:2 told the same story differently. The boy was changed into a slave of undefined age who was 'dear to' (KJV) the Centurion. The author used the Greek word doulos which is a generic term for servant or slave. He was described as being very sick and near death; this contrasts with the author of Matthew who description of a boy being paralyzed and in great pain.

Scripture that most likely shows Jesus condemning homophobia:

Matthew 5:22:

"...anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin [the Council]. But anyone who says 'You fool' will be in danger of the hell fire" (NIV)

It is often stated that Jesus never commented about homosexuality. A case can be made that he refers to gays in this verse. On the surface, the verse seems to condemn individuals who treat others with contempt and call them names. Hatred of others is considered here as serious to God as an overt act of murder. 'Raca' is defined in the NIV as an Aramaic term of contempt. It has been translated literally as "I spit on you." But "raca," "rakha" and similar terms in various Semitic languages also carry the meaning of effeminacy or weakness - terms frequently used to refer to homosexuals. The word 'Moros' which is translated as "fool" has a number of meanings, including both sexual aggressor and homosexual aggressor. 1 One could argue that Jesus was condemning homophobia in this passage; but it would be a weak case at best, because of the multiplicity of meanings of the key words.

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]

(note: hell fire used in matthew 5:22 does not mean "hell" but for a clarification of the term "hell fire" feel free to ask and I can extrapolate that for you.)
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"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Leviticus 20:13, KJV


You do know abomination is a very harsh word, don't you.
...and it is servant not son by the way. What are you reading out of the misleading NIV?
 Quoting: Chop's


show me where Jesus refers to this. show me any passage from Jesus that speaks about homosexuality.
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What do you think this means??

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Leviticus 20:13, KJV
 Quoting: Chop's


scroll up. i already posted stuff about the Leviticus passages. take a moment to read them.
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sorry............done wasted enough time reading this crap.
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Yeshua didn't have to condemn it as he did not come to destroy the law.

Matthew
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Meaning that the Old Testament is still in effect which says:

Leviticus
18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

There are mentions of this as well in 1 Corinthians chp 6 and Romans chp 1.
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i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
 Quoting: Salt


...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
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That's very, very, very sad since they matter to God very, very, very much.
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"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Leviticus 20:13, KJV


You do know abomination is a very harsh word, don't you.
...and it is servant not son by the way. What are you reading out of the misleading NIV?
 Quoting: Chop's


show me where Jesus refers to this. show me any passage from Jesus that speaks about homosexuality.
 Quoting: Salt


Jesus said He came to fulfill the old testament - not to change it - what is in the old testament still stands
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SO you kill your neighbors who work on the Sabbath as the OT commands?
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oh my pennywise
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there are a number of verses, however, that condemn homophobia. The story in Matthew about the centurion who asks Jesus to heal his "son" was not his son, but the word actually means something quite different. The translations suggest that the word used for "son" actually meant most likely his lover - or more specifically, the young man who served the centurion sexually which was not uncommon for Rome back then.

(the centurion i am speaking of is the one who asked Jesus to heal his "son", Jesus asks him to take him to the young man, and the centurion replies 'only say the word and I know he will be healed' then Jesus commends his great faith)

Matthew 8:5-13:
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.



These verses describe how a Roman centurion asked Jesus to cure his "pais" who lay paralyzed and in great agony. The centurion stated that all Jesus had to do was to say the right words to effect the cure. Jesus praised the centurion for his faith. If the boy had been the centurion's son, then the author probably would have used the Greek word "uios" (son). If the writer wanted to imply that they boy was a slave or indentured servant, then he probably would have used the word "duolos" (slave). But he did not. He used the Greek word pais which, in this situation, contains the suggestion of a young male kept for sexual purposes by his adult owner. The English word "pederasty" comes partly from this word. Various translations of the Christian Scriptures have suppressed the possible sexual component of the term and translated the word simply as a "servant boy", "serving boy", "young servant," "my son," and "my boy." A present-day relationship of this type would be considered child sexual abuse, a serious crime. However, such arrangements were common in the Roman Empire at the time, and were tolerated by society, as was human slavery itself.

The Gospel of Luke, starting at Luke 7:2 told the same story differently. The boy was changed into a slave of undefined age who was 'dear to' (KJV) the Centurion. The author used the Greek word doulos which is a generic term for servant or slave. He was described as being very sick and near death; this contrasts with the author of Matthew who description of a boy being paralyzed and in great pain.

Scripture that most likely shows Jesus condemning homophobia:

Matthew 5:22:

"...anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin [the Council]. But anyone who says 'You fool' will be in danger of the hell fire" (NIV)

It is often stated that Jesus never commented about homosexuality. A case can be made that he refers to gays in this verse. On the surface, the verse seems to condemn individuals who treat others with contempt and call them names. Hatred of others is considered here as serious to God as an overt act of murder. 'Raca' is defined in the NIV as an Aramaic term of contempt. It has been translated literally as "I spit on you." But "raca," "rakha" and similar terms in various Semitic languages also carry the meaning of effeminacy or weakness - terms frequently used to refer to homosexuals. The word 'Moros' which is translated as "fool" has a number of meanings, including both sexual aggressor and homosexual aggressor. 1 One could argue that Jesus was condemning homophobia in this passage; but it would be a weak case at best, because of the multiplicity of meanings of the key words.

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]

(note: hell fire used in matthew 5:22 does not mean "hell" but for a clarification of the term "hell fire" feel free to ask and I can extrapolate that for you.)
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God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
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the part of verse 26 talks about women who lusted after men just for sex, the translations say nothing about lesbian activity in this verse.

these verses are about lust, sexual immorality, sex outside of marriage, perverted sex acts without love and marriage union....

these passages are talking about sexual immorality. it is not the devotion and marriage union that God wants for us. it is a perverted lust-motivated flesh indulgence. that is the sin.....
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i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
 Quoting: Salt


...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
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That's very, very, very sad since they matter to God very, very, very much.
 Quoting: Life and Love


i agree. and some have turned to Wiccan and other new age/metaphysical arts because they seek God but feel that they cannot connect to the Most High God.

i am at a loss at how to speak to them on this, even tho i try from time to time.
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the Jewish people did not practice homosexuality, never they were Torah observant and new the sexual sins of sodom and Gomorrah...

The pagans, heathens and hooligans were the ones to engage in the sins of the bible and Torah.....

Jewish people were sentenced for Torah offenses,Jesus taught them about the forgiveness that was needed and GOD,s mercy for those sinners....

Sexual sin including the sin of homosexuality is condemned eternally.
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show me where Jesus teaches this.
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If you wanna go and be a lesbian, just do it, don't try and convince us its acceptable to God, the deceived are deceived they are deaf and blind.
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the Jewish people did not practice homosexuality, never they were Torah observant and new the sexual sins of sodom and Gomorrah...

The pagans, heathens and hooligans were the ones to engage in the sins of the bible and Torah.....

Jewish people were sentenced for Torah offenses,Jesus taught them about the forgiveness that was needed and GOD,s mercy for those sinners....

Sexual sin including the sin of homosexuality is condemned eternally.
 Quoting: christian


show me where Jesus teaches this.
 Quoting: Salt


If you wanna go and be a lesbian, just do it, don't try and convince us its acceptable to God, the deceived are deceived they are deaf and blind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227615


the Jewish people did not practice homosexuality, never they were Torah observant and new the sexual sins of sodom and Gomorrah...

The pagans, heathens and hooligans were the ones to engage in the sins of the bible and Torah.....

Jewish people were sentenced for Torah offenses,Jesus taught them about the forgiveness that was needed and GOD,s mercy for those sinners....

Sexual sin including the sin of homosexuality is condemned eternally.
 Quoting: christian


show me where Jesus teaches this.
 Quoting: Salt


If you wanna go and be a lesbian, just do it, don't try and convince us its acceptable to God, the deceived are deceived they are deaf and blind.
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No, people like you who conform to a dogma and ignore logic and reason are deaf and blind, worse of all, you would kill to protect your dogma, so that makes you a potential murderer also.
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Re: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament
i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
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the Jewish people did not practice homosexuality, never they were Torah observant and new the sexual sins of sodom and Gomorrah...

The pagans, heathens and hooligans were the ones to engage in the sins of the bible and Torah.....

Jewish people were sentenced for Torah offenses,Jesus taught them about the forgiveness that was needed and GOD,s mercy for those sinners....

Sexual sin including the sin of homosexuality is condemned eternally.
 Quoting: christian


show me where Jesus teaches this.
 Quoting: Salt


If you wanna go and be a lesbian, just do it, don't try and convince us its acceptable to God, the deceived are deceived they are deaf and blind.
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i am not gay. not a gay bone in my body. i am strictly dickly, LOL. but, i don't have sex outside of marriage. even tho it is difficult to go without for long periods of time.
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Re: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament
the Jewish people did not practice homosexuality, never they were Torah observant and new the sexual sins of sodom and Gomorrah...

The pagans, heathens and hooligans were the ones to engage in the sins of the bible and Torah.....

Jewish people were sentenced for Torah offenses,Jesus taught them about the forgiveness that was needed and GOD,s mercy for those sinners....

Sexual sin including the sin of homosexuality is condemned eternally.
 Quoting: christian


show me where Jesus teaches this.
 Quoting: Salt


If you wanna go and be a lesbian, just do it, don't try and convince us its acceptable to God, the deceived are deceived they are deaf and blind.
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So says the religitard sheeple.yawnjerkit
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Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuals, but he did imply that renouncing sexual acts was the way towards the Kingdom.

"Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


youre right but this is a heart issue. attempt at moderation. i think you summed it up in the verse you quoted. the fact that Jesus acknowledged that eunuchs were made in the womb is interesting. we now know through science that there is very little diference between a male and female. i mean it takes one little chemical added at a certain time in gestation to create the male. or something like that. anyway Jesus knew this scientific fact before science. so let me ask this... is all eunuch created with physical proof? i mean surely it is possible that a man develop as a man but still be a eunuch in dna. i am not sure but it just makes sense to me.

i used to scoff at the people that would use this as an excuse to be gay. i am VERY conservative. but this makes sense. if a man is born with the desire of a woman (and a woman the same) would our loving, compassionate God expect them to deny the sexual desire that HE Himself gave to us? i dont know that it would be very righteous to expect someone to deny the most instinctual urge He gave us for reproduction of the race He created.

however there are people that are perverted and want to try everything sexual just to do it. they will deny morals for sexual gratification. i am not being closed off here. you know what i mean. that is a heart issue. i think that is lesson He spoke of. i mean come on if we followed the church dogma we wouldnt drink even though Christs first miracle was making wine. i dont drink because i struggled with it in my past. that was a heart issue i had to take care of with His help.

just a thought...
 Quoting: malfunkshun007


if a man is born with the desire of a woman (and a woman the same) would our loving, compassionate God expect them to deny the sexual desire that HE Himself gave to us

You are assuming God gave people sexual desire at inception. Which raises the question did he also create pedofiles at inception? Or serial killers or rapists? I don't think so.

i dont know that it would be very righteous to expect someone to deny the most instinctual urge He gave us for reproduction of the race He created.

What reproduction? There wouldn't be any. Did you phrase that wrong?

Also, eunichs were more often men that were castrated so they could assume positions in society where they were of no threat. The majority were not born eunuchs.

Homosexuality is a learned deviant behavior, like many others. If you don't think so, look at all the supposed "gay" people today. They are indoctrinated at an early age that this is an acceptable behaviour therefore their numbers are increasing tenfold. Yes there were always homosexuals, but not in the numbers we have now. My dear old great aunt lived to be 100 and traveled a lot. She didn't know of such a thing as homosexuals until she was about 70. Go figger.
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Re: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament
show me scriptures where Jesus Himself condemns homosexuality. because I am a bible student, and i can't find any.
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i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
 Quoting: Salt


...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
 Quoting: Salt


That's very, very, very sad since they matter to God very, very, very much.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yes, it is sad.

Yeah, I suppose it would be great if God had no rules. Then the world would be a better place. God loves sinners, and we are all sinners, but we must TRY to come OUT of our sin. If we don't, we're going to hell. People hate that thought, so they try to change the doctrine. But you just can't do it unless you make up a different religion.
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There was even a gospel left out that said Jesus spent the night with a naked young man who was wearing a nothing but a linen sheet. He stayed with Jesus so he could teach him about the kingdom... Or something along those lines.

Wink wink, I think we all know what that means ;D

snogging
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Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuals, but he did imply that renouncing sexual acts was the way towards the Kingdom.

"Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


youre right but this is a heart issue. attempt at moderation. i think you summed it up in the verse you quoted. the fact that Jesus acknowledged that eunuchs were made in the womb is interesting. we now know through science that there is very little diference between a male and female. i mean it takes one little chemical added at a certain time in gestation to create the male. or something like that. anyway Jesus knew this scientific fact before science. so let me ask this... is all eunuch created with physical proof? i mean surely it is possible that a man develop as a man but still be a eunuch in dna. i am not sure but it just makes sense to me.

i used to scoff at the people that would use this as an excuse to be gay. i am VERY conservative. but this makes sense. if a man is born with the desire of a woman (and a woman the same) would our loving, compassionate God expect them to deny the sexual desire that HE Himself gave to us? i dont know that it would be very righteous to expect someone to deny the most instinctual urge He gave us for reproduction of the race He created.

however there are people that are perverted and want to try everything sexual just to do it. they will deny morals for sexual gratification. i am not being closed off here. you know what i mean. that is a heart issue. i think that is lesson He spoke of. i mean come on if we followed the church dogma we wouldnt drink even though Christs first miracle was making wine. i dont drink because i struggled with it in my past. that was a heart issue i had to take care of with His help.

just a thought...
 Quoting: malfunkshun007


if a man is born with the desire of a woman (and a woman the same) would our loving, compassionate God expect them to deny the sexual desire that HE Himself gave to us

You are assuming God gave people sexual desire at inception. Which raises the question did he also create pedofiles at inception? Or serial killers or rapists? I don't think so.

i dont know that it would be very righteous to expect someone to deny the most instinctual urge He gave us for reproduction of the race He created.

What reproduction? There wouldn't be any. Did you phrase that wrong?

Also, eunichs were more often men that were castrated so they could assume positions in society where they were of no threat. The majority were not born eunuchs.

Homosexuality is a learned deviant behavior, like many others. If you don't think so, look at all the supposed "gay" people today. They are indoctrinated at an early age that this is an acceptable behaviour therefore their numbers are increasing tenfold. Yes there were always homosexuals, but not in the numbers we have now. My dear old great aunt lived to be 100 and traveled a lot. She didn't know of such a thing as homosexuals until she was about 70. Go figger.

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I would bet my left testacle that the numbers have not increased (percentage-wise). Greater acceptance has given more people the courage to come out of the closet. And less people living a lie.
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Re: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament
i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
 Quoting: Salt


...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
 Quoting: Salt


That's very, very, very sad since they matter to God very, very, very much.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yeah, I suppose it would be great if God had no rules. Then the world would be a better place. God loves sinners, and we are all sinners, but we much TRY to come OUT of our sin. If we don't, we're going to hell. People hate that thought, so they try to change the doctrine. But you just can't do it unless you make up a different religion.
 Quoting: Keats


God has rules, yes. But God doesn't keep score the way you seem to be saying.

As for "hell," that's a topic that has been discussed on many other threads.
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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i am not gay. i have several friends who are. sometimes i understand the inclination. but i do not post this thread because i am gay and want to change scripture so "my lifestyle can be accepted in the eyes of God"

just sayin...
 Quoting: Salt


...and all of my gay friends (mostly women and one man) are refusing to accept God because they feel condemned. it is the false teaching that God finds them an abomination that keeps them from the love of God.


it is a really big problem.
 Quoting: Salt


That's very, very, very sad since they matter to God very, very, very much.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Yes, it is sad.

Yeah, I suppose it would be great if God had no rules. Then the world would be a better place. God loves sinners, and we are all sinners, but we must TRY to come OUT of our sin. If we don't, we're going to hell. People hate that thought, so they try to change the doctrine. But you just can't do it unless you make up a different religion.
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I would choose eternal hell anyday as opposed to spending one minute with that sick beast.rockon
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show me scriptures where Jesus Himself condemns homosexuality. because I am a bible student, and i can't find any.
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About 5 posts above yours...
"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
-Arthur Schopenhauer
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Re: Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament
as far as acceptance, i am talking about true love and devotion to another human being. not sexual lusty perverted promiscuity for the sake of fleshly gratification. this applies to men AND women, hetero and homosexual

clarification.





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