Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in the New Testament

You actually sound like one of those hottie/nasty little teens....'what ev...' Come back when you have some life experience,some burdens to bear,some cross to carry and some truth to tell.
Just sayin'...
Christ is REAL. Whether YOU find Him or not is up to you.

well, you are wrong again.

i am a 45 year old female widow with two children and one granddaughter, working a double major in seminary and psychology. i have been a Holy Ghost baptized Christian for 18 years. i have studied the bible informally for 17 years, and formally for 2. i live a celibate life, work in ministry, and volunteer my time to assist women in crisis and recovering alcoholics (i am a recovered alcoholic myself). i am a sculptor and painter, worked 25 years in the printing and graphics trade and held management positions. was an art director as well for a few years. consider myself fairly well read with an IQ of 158. weaknesses: i drink too much coffee and have a cigarette a few times a day. i am partially disabled with a mild form of muscular dystrophy. i am working towards a masters in divinity and another masters in psychology. i plan to use these degrees to vocate with the church to help/teach women to aquire coping skills and life skills, and to live a Godly life.

you're judgments are off.

maybe that is not your gift.

however, i've been told i am a hottie though... does that count?

Sweetie...my gift is Discernment.
You think you should be first...but,alas,you will be last.

i completely agree that they are not two SEPARATE books. however, i am not convinced that anything outside of sexual immorality (lust, empty sex, sex without marriage, sex with multiple partners, promiscuity, prostitution, sodomy, fornication, and adultery) were considered sinful in the NT

well, you are wrong again.

i am a 45 year old female widow with two children and one granddaughter, working a double major in seminary and psychology. i have been a Holy Ghost baptized Christian for 18 years. i have studied the bible informally for 17 years, and formally for 2. i live a celibate life, work in ministry, and volunteer my time to assist women in crisis and recovering alcoholics (i am a recovered alcoholic myself). i am a sculptor and painter, worked 25 years in the printing and graphics trade and held management positions. was an art director as well for a few years. consider myself fairly well read with an IQ of 158. weaknesses: i drink too much coffee and have a cigarette a few times a day. i am partially disabled with a mild form of muscular dystrophy. i am working towards a masters in divinity and another masters in psychology. i plan to use these degrees to vocate with the church to help/teach women to aquire coping skills and life skills, and to live a Godly life.

you're judgments are off.

maybe that is not your gift.

well, you are wrong again.

i am a 45 year old female widow with two children and one granddaughter, working a double major in seminary and psychology. i have been a Holy Ghost baptized Christian for 18 years. i have studied the bible informally for 17 years, and formally for 2. i live a celibate life, work in ministry, and volunteer my time to assist women in crisis and recovering alcoholics (i am a recovered alcoholic myself). i am a sculptor and painter, worked 25 years in the printing and graphics trade and held management positions. was an art director as well for a few years. consider myself fairly well read with an IQ of 158. weaknesses: i drink too much coffee and have a cigarette a few times a day. i am partially disabled with a mild form of muscular dystrophy. i am working towards a masters in divinity and another masters in psychology. i plan to use these degrees to vocate with the church to help/teach women to aquire coping skills and life skills, and to live a Godly life.

you're judgments are off.

maybe that is not your gift.

bitter fellow.
why are you angry with me (be honest)

my gift is discernment, too. interesting. encouraging is the other.

do you have multiple gifts?
do you work in ministry?
help me to get to know you better.

show me where He says "only" between man and woman.

I just gave you the scripture. He mentions male and female only and then man and wife. How much clearer could he get? In Genesis God made Adam and Eve and joined them together. Jesus is the NT emphasizes this AGAIN. Marriage is for a man and a woman. There was never a time in the Bible where God or Jesus said anything different.

You REALLY want to help people? Get yourself learned in the deliverance ministry and help people be healed and delivered, as we are commanded to do. We are to cast out demons, lay hands on the sick. I have been healed of many things and carry what He has taught me to others. You will never know anything like being used by God in this manner. GOD IS STILL IN THE HEALING BUSINESS.

Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuals, but he did imply that renouncing sexual acts was the way towards the Kingdom.

"Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

They pick and choose never realizing that there is only One Truth and One God and He will recompense.

I just gave you the scripture. He mentions male and female only and then man and wife. How much clearer could he get? In Genesis God made Adam and Eve and joined them together. Jesus is the NT emphasizes this AGAIN. Marriage is for a man and a woman. There was never a time in the Bible where God or Jesus said anything different.

i am working in healing ministry, i lay on hands, annoint with oil, but mostly work with the psychology/cognitive/emotional structure. i don't work with men, women only and teens all from a biblical standpoint. i am also a prayer warrior. i am feeling fairly confident that i am doing what God wants me to do. i let Him drive the bus.

Good thread, OP. I'll check back on it tomorrow. God is trying to get people on that narrow road especially since we are so near the end. He wants all to repent and be saved but sadly most will just continue on the broad road to destruction.

i don't think Torah law considered homosexuals for marriage then. it just wasn't a "thing" then. Man and woman coming together was for populating the earth - that was the context of those passages. there are also scriptures that say it is better to marry than to fornicate or adulterate.

i am working in healing ministry, i lay on hands, annoint with oil, but mostly work with the psychology/cognitive/emotional structure. i don't work with men, women only and teens all from a biblical standpoint. i am also a prayer warrior. i am feeling fairly confident that i am doing what God wants me to do. i let Him drive the bus.

I commend you there. I have grown to hate the license plates and bumper stickers, " God is my co-pilot." How dare I think I can take to wheel from Him?

It is better to marry because fornication and adultery are sins. So if you don't have the willpower to be celibate then marriage is the only alternative as is marrying the opposite sex.

"i hear you. i went to an AA mtg this morning and a man was talking about how he let's God guide his life but he referred to God as "his little buddy"

wow..." Salt

If I go to AA....it is to fish. I drank a lot more in AA and Jesus, like in public schools, is not very welcome. God has delivered me from the spirit of alcohol and addiction and I praise Him for that.

there are a number of verses, however, that condemn homophobia. The story in Matthew about the centurion who asks Jesus to heal his "son" was not his son, but the word actually means something quite different. The translations suggest that the word used for "son" actually meant most likely his lover - or more specifically, the young man who served the centurion sexually which was not uncommon for Rome back then.

(the centurion i am speaking of is the one who asked Jesus to heal his "son", Jesus asks him to take him to the young man, and the centurion replies 'only say the word and I know he will be healed' then Jesus commends his great faith)

Matthew 8:5-13:
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.



These verses describe how a Roman centurion asked Jesus to cure his "pais" who lay paralyzed and in great agony. The centurion stated that all Jesus had to do was to say the right words to effect the cure. Jesus praised the centurion for his faith. If the boy had been the centurion's son, then the author probably would have used the Greek word "uios" (son). If the writer wanted to imply that they boy was a slave or indentured servant, then he probably would have used the word "duolos" (slave). But he did not. He used the Greek word pais which, in this situation, contains the suggestion of a young male kept for sexual purposes by his adult owner. The English word "pederasty" comes partly from this word. Various translations of the Christian Scriptures have suppressed the possible sexual component of the term and translated the word simply as a "servant boy", "serving boy", "young servant," "my son," and "my boy." A present-day relationship of this type would be considered child sexual abuse, a serious crime. However, such arrangements were common in the Roman Empire at the time, and were tolerated by society, as was human slavery itself.

The Gospel of Luke, starting at Luke 7:2 told the same story differently. The boy was changed into a slave of undefined age who was 'dear to' (KJV) the Centurion. The author used the Greek word doulos which is a generic term for servant or slave. He was described as being very sick and near death; this contrasts with the author of Matthew who description of a boy being paralyzed and in great pain.

Scripture that most likely shows Jesus condemning homophobia:

Matthew 5:22:

"...anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin [the Council]. But anyone who says 'You fool' will be in danger of the hell fire" (NIV)

It is often stated that Jesus never commented about homosexuality. A case can be made that he refers to gays in this verse. On the surface, the verse seems to condemn individuals who treat others with contempt and call them names. Hatred of others is considered here as serious to God as an overt act of murder. 'Raca' is defined in the NIV as an Aramaic term of contempt. It has been translated literally as "I spit on you." But "raca," "rakha" and similar terms in various Semitic languages also carry the meaning of effeminacy or weakness - terms frequently used to refer to homosexuals. The word 'Moros' which is translated as "fool" has a number of meanings, including both sexual aggressor and homosexual aggressor. 1 One could argue that Jesus was condemning homophobia in this passage; but it would be a weak case at best, because of the multiplicity of meanings of the key words.

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]

(note: hell fire used in matthew 5:22 does not mean "hell" but for a clarification of the term "hell fire" feel free to ask and I can extrapolate that for you.)