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Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise

 
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Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
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"Portuguese opening is a very extravagant debut that may be used in serious games. The lesson is led by IM Andrew Martin. It is difficult for Black to get the parity in this debut, according to Martin. 1.e4 e5 2.Bb5!. By the way, this debut has some ideas similar to the ones of Trompovsky Attack."
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Hello chess nerds !!! This is a MUST !!!
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
what kind of pooint are you trying to make here?
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
e4 e5 Bb5 !
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Hello chess nerds !!! This is a MUST !!!
 Quoting: chessica 15233395


You are showing your age :).
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
english plz
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
english plz
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Video is in english by british IM Andrew Martin. A RARE GEM !!!
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
I watched 15 minutes, thanks for posting OP.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
I watched 15 minutes, thanks for posting OP.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Thanks.

This opening is praticaly unknown ouside Portugal.

U could beat most oponnents with it if u know the strategy and your oponnents dont ...

Slay your oponnents with the portuguese opening !!
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
I watched 15 minutes, thanks for posting OP.
 Quoting: wisc_natureboy


Thanks.

This opening is praticaly unknown ouside Portugal.

U could beat most oponnents with it if u know the strategy and your oponnents dont ...

Slay your oponnents with the portuguese opening !!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15233395


I'll give it a try later this week. ;-`)
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
e4 e5 Bb5 !
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The eagle has landed,

I repeat ..

The eagle has landed
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04/29/2012 01:23 AM
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
It's funny you mention this opening, I was taught a counter to this "portuguese" opening in 8th grade.

e4..e5..
Bb5..Kc6

And then as long as white doesn't do anything drastic

Black's 3rd move is
Kd4

Now the trap is set. From this position, you are protected by the pawn, attacking the bishop. Bishop retreats.
Black plays Queen to F6, setting up a mate, and also many smothered mates as well.

In fact, I won a tournment against someone in the 90's, probably 95, against someone who played white and played e4, I played e5, he played Bishop to B5 and I played my Knight exchange.


Basically this entire opening for white only works if black attacks with the pawn, but as I said I don't do that. I would destroy you in a game of chess if you somehow think this is a portuguese opening that's never been heard of here before. As I said, I was playing against and beating this move in the mid 90's.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
I guess what I am saying is, this entire line of attack is based on black playing Pawn to C6 for its second move. Which, as I said, I never do.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
You want a really strong, unforeseen, seldom used move that will incite terror into your opponent?

e4..e5
d4 (it's a sacrifice).

I've won thousands of games against people with this opening. After white takes pawn (which happens 90% of the time), I attack with a standard Ruy Lopez bishop/knight attack and completely ignore that pawn until later in the game. If you played against me you would see what I mean, but don't take my word for it, Try it!
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Excellent move.


But the Russians are still the masters.5a
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04/29/2012 02:02 PM
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
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04/29/2012 02:11 PM
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


tounge Yeah that looks like a pretty crappy opening. I used to play the Budapest Defense in tournaments sometimes though. It's fun. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
It's funny you mention this opening, I was taught a counter to this "portuguese" opening in 8th grade.

e4..e5..
Bb5..Kc6

And then as long as white doesn't do anything drastic

Black's 3rd move is
Kd4

Now the trap is set. From this position, you are protected by the pawn, attacking the bishop. Bishop retreats.
Black plays Queen to F6, setting up a mate, and also many smothered mates as well.

In fact, I won a tournment against someone in the 90's, probably 95, against someone who played white and played e4, I played e5, he played Bishop to B5 and I played my Knight exchange.


Basically this entire opening for white only works if black attacks with the pawn, but as I said I don't do that. I would destroy you in a game of chess if you somehow think this is a portuguese opening that's never been heard of here before. As I said, I was playing against and beating this move in the mid 90's.
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See 70 min 40 sec of IM Andrew Martin Video

He sugests after Kc6 , d3 folowed by f4 with good position for white.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


tounge Yeah that looks like a pretty crappy opening. I used to play the Budapest Defense in tournaments sometimes though. It's fun. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256754


This is a GOOD opening acording to IM Andrew Martin.

Its not played more often not because of unsoundness but more because of lack of publicity.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


tounge Yeah that looks like a pretty crappy opening. I used to play the Budapest Defense in tournaments sometimes though. It's fun. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256754


This is a GOOD opening acording to IM Andrew Martin.

Its not played more often not because of unsoundness but more because of lack of publicity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


So, you took it upon you to get publicized... is that it?
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


tounge Yeah that looks like a pretty crappy opening. I used to play the Budapest Defense in tournaments sometimes though. It's fun. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256754


This is a GOOD opening acording to IM Andrew Martin.

Its not played more often not because of unsoundness but more because of lack of publicity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


Well if my opponent didn't know the Alekhine variation I usually could force at least a draw. Had some good wins with it. I usaully played the Petroff or Caro-Kahn with black though. Nimzo-Indian against QP openings.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
This is a opening as good (or even better) as most popular e4e5 openings.

I dont see any reason why its not played regularly by top players.

I use it all the time in internet play with very good results.

Its a good, sound opening. Period.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
e4 e5
Bb5

Im waiting for your move ...

The GLP chess contest has begun !!!
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
e4 e5
Bb5

Im waiting for your move ...

The GLP chess contest has begun !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9867257


Chess anyone ??popcorn
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Oi! O Senor,
I had a look at the opening system and find to be of novel interest for white... while I do not like to respond 2...e5 as black (not ever), I am would like to explore this system further and accept your challenge with this continuation...

1. e4 e5
2. Bb5 c6

Boa sorte! and a good game...

e4 e5
Bb5

Im waiting for your move ...

The GLP chess contest has begun !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9867257


Chess anyone ??popcorn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15425470
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Oi! O Senor,
I had a look at the opening system and find to be of novel interest for white... while I do not like to respond 2...e5 as black (not ever), I am would like to explore this system further and accept your challenge with this continuation...

1. e4 e5
2. Bb5 c6

Boa sorte! and a good game...

e4 e5
Bb5

Im waiting for your move ...

The GLP chess contest has begun !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9867257


Chess anyone ??popcorn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15425470

 Quoting: Imajicatus



Thank U !!

My move: Ba4

PS: Its not "senor" its "senhor".But Boa sorte is correct ! Obrigado !
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Anyone here rated 2000 or above ?

Your coments suggest that your chess level may be around 1600 or lower ... Correct me if im wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256606


Yeah, I've been rated over 2000 for a long time.
I first encountered this opening ten years ago.
White isn't committing any crime with 2. Bb5 so sure, it's playable. But it's nothing for Black to fear in my opinion - he can do anything he wants in response. I personally like 2....c6. I saw a brilliant miniature with this in which the grandmaster played the black pieces aggressively, got a huge lead in development and crushed in about 15 moves.

I think there's also a "Portuguese" line in the Center Counter but I've forgotten.
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Re: Portuguese opening in chess : killer surprise
Yeah, here you go, Portugal.

You can play the Portuguese with White.......
1. e4 e5
2. Bb5!?


........and with Black.......
1. e4 d5
2.exd5 Nf6
3.d4 Bg4!?


Go get 'em, tiger!