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dollop of tennessee
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New Mexico: City Shuts Off Water, Sewer for Photo Ticket Nonpayment


Las Cruces, New Mexico is threatening to cut off water, gas and sewer service over unpaid red light and speed camera tickets.

With more and more vehicle owners simply deciding refuse to pay red light camera and speed camera tickets, private, for-profit companies and municipalities are growing increasingly desperate. America's second-largest city shut down its photo ticketing program last year largely because residents who could not afford the $500 citations did not pay them. On Monday, Las Cruces, New Mexico announced it would shut off the utilities of city residents who refused to pay Redflex Traffic Systems, the Australian company that owns and operates the cameras.

"The city is notifying offenders by mail that they have until the due date stated in the letter to pay the fines or make satisfactory payment arrangements," a Las Cruces press release warned. "Failure to comply will result in termination of utilities services."
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This needs pinned. Gestapo clearing out the gettos. They would be making unsafe and unsanitary conditions for those families. They need to contacty the New Mexico Public Regulation Commission. I'm sure this action violates numerous state and local laws.
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They can threaten - but I don't believe they actually can shut them off.

Even utility companies have a list of things that keep them from shutting things off for non-payment. Children in the house, illness, etc.
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This needs pinned. Gestapo clearing out the gettos. They would be making unsafe and unsanitary conditions for those families. They need to contacty the New Mexico Public Regulation Commission. I'm sure this action violates numerous state and local laws.
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crygaah
this is happening in a lot of different countries- coming soon to the US?


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This city is dumb. People will just move out of the city and the budget crisis will still exist. The same people that started the budget crisis are still in office in this city and all the employees, so instead of blaming themselves, they start to punish people for no good reason to try to save themselves. They wasted millions on the speed cameras and now they don't know what to do to recoup the costs.
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No sewer, utilities?

Unsafe living arrangement.

House condemned, and repossessed.

Sold to BOA for 50 cents.
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Beat the downtrodden, take away from those who have nothing, and what do you have? A generation with nothing to lose. I would not want to be TPTB right now.
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Fascism
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They can threaten - but I don't believe they actually can shut them off.

Even utility companies have a list of things that keep them from shutting things off for non-payment. Children in the house, illness, etc.
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You know, I would like to believe that you are right, but for some reason, with the right lawyer, I know they can find a way to make it happen.
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about time they start forcing the slackers in society to pay their fair share and quit ignoring the payments and fines for their illegal deeds. We need to do things like this everywhere. The dredges of society just ignore the laws and responsibility and its time for everyone to make them be responsible citizens.
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Beat the downtrodden, take away from those who have nothing, and what do you have? A generation with nothing to lose. I would not want to be TPTB right now.
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People with nothing to lose are more willing to work for nothing.
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This city is dumb. People will just move out of the city and the budget crisis will still exist. The same people that started the budget crisis are still in office in this city and all the employees, so instead of blaming themselves, they start to punish people for no good reason to try to save themselves. They wasted millions on the speed cameras and now they don't know what to do to recoup the costs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846701


Psychopaths never take responsibility for the messes they create. Its is usually only the electric chair, the barrel of a gun or a guillotine that makes them come around.

The people will move out and the taxes won't be paid. This will make the debt/fiscal crisis even worse.

Do you have to flunk math and be a jerk to work for government these days? Apperantly.

let it all fall apart, I say! Let the bastards be hung. We'll get along fine without them. Time to hit the reset button.
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You must first remove yourself from government franchises.

You must then not consent and reminds you servants that all power derives from the People and involuntary servitude is illegal pursuant the 13th Amendment.

However, if you franchise with the Government. SSN numbers. Drivers licenses. Or any other "contract" with them, then you are voluntarily waiving your rights, and submitting yourself to their servitude.

Which means you have no Lawful remedy, and cannot use "non Consent" because you have offered your Consent already by submitting yourself to Statutory Citizenship through you Seal (signiture) on one of their instruments thus showing contract with them.

You must removed yourself from the Contracts, and resolve their presumption of you being a Statutory Citizen.

By stating you are a Federal Employee through these means, and then failing to follow Statutory Law as a Federal Employee is Un Lawful.

You dont want to be a Federal Employee.

But a Constitutional Citizen, and one of the People.

The Citizenship Status, and their types were created with the 14th and 15th Amendment, and is further elaborated upon in Statue Law.

As long as People continue acting as Federal Employees and Statute Citizens, they will be obligated by Law to fulfill their responsibilities for the privileges and benefits afforded them from the Government as such.

That is why you pay taxes, and are subject to every single Statue Law in existence.

You volunteer by Sealing their documents thus creating contracts.

You have not been sword in as a Federal Officer and Employee, thus committing perjury when signing these documents and Contract, thereby getting "fined" for such perjury through speeding tickets, taxes, and jail.
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about time they start forcing the slackers in society to pay their fair share and quit ignoring the payments and fines for their illegal deeds. We need to do things like this everywhere. The dredges of society just ignore the laws and responsibility and its time for everyone to make them be responsible citizens.
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Damn that was funny !!

You WERE joking, right?
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Goverenment parasite.
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about time they start forcing the slackers in society to pay their fair share and quit ignoring the payments and fines for their illegal deeds. We need to do things like this everywhere. The dredges of society just ignore the laws and responsibility and its time for everyone to make them be responsible citizens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324049


There is such a thing as due process. I'm all for having people pay their fines after they've been able to go through due process. What I find objectionable is that the city has decided guilt without it.

That's the first step to fascism.
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Beat the downtrodden, take away from those who have nothing, and what do you have? A generation with nothing to lose. I would not want to be TPTB right now.
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People with nothing to lose are more willing to work for nothing.
 Quoting: Charlie the Choo-Choo


I think it really depends on the person. Some young people are facing a bleak future, and they're aggressive enough to not go quietly into the night.
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There is a reason why we have Revolutions and fight for our freedoms.

Don't fear Tyranny... destroy it.
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Thread: VIDEO ESCORT* NJ state troopers suspended over alleged high-speed escort for luxury sports cars

as NM city threathens people on speed camera tickets,
meanwhile in NJ, the state police is escorting millionairs as they race their sports cars down the highway over 100mph for a joyride.
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about time they start forcing the slackers in society to pay their fair share and quit ignoring the payments and fines for their illegal deeds. We need to do things like this everywhere. The dredges of society just ignore the laws and responsibility and its time for everyone to make them be responsible citizens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324049


There is such a thing as due process. I'm all for having people pay their fines after they've been able to go through due process. What I find objectionable is that the city has decided guilt without it.

That's the first step to fascism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14459915


What I find objectionable is that a government entity can take away a person's right (due process) and if it is decided that the government entity was wrong, oh well, nothing happens to them.

Kind of like Obama, he just does things until someone challenges him and then he stops, but there is no retribution against him for not following the due process of law.
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They can threaten - but I don't believe they actually can shut them off.

Even utility companies have a list of things that keep them from shutting things off for non-payment. Children in the house, illness, etc.
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Ya I dont think they can create a health hazzard.
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Re: Attn Slaves - City To Turn Off Utilities To Force Action
about time they start forcing the slackers in society to pay their fair share and quit ignoring the payments and fines for their illegal deeds. We need to do things like this everywhere. The dredges of society just ignore the laws and responsibility and its time for everyone to make them be responsible citizens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324049


There is such a thing as due process. I'm all for having people pay their fines after they've been able to go through due process. What I find objectionable is that the city has decided guilt without it.

That's the first step to fascism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14459915


The thing with the speed cameras, they try to avoid all the due process. If you want to fight it in court, they always pick the worst time for you to come down, usually around 7 in the morning, then call you up at 4PM. This is how they play this game, they want you to leave to try to force you to pay, because they know you will win 100% of the time if you use the simple excuse of "It wasn't me driving". And after all this and all the proof that these speed cameras do not bring in all this massive revenue these cities expect, these cities are still so dumb to buy into it.
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You must first remove yourself from government franchises.

You must then not consent and reminds you servants that all power derives from the People and involuntary servitude is illegal pursuant the 13th Amendment.

However, if you franchise with the Government. SSN numbers. Drivers licenses. Or any other "contract" with them, then you are voluntarily waiving your rights, and submitting yourself to their servitude.

Which means you have no Lawful remedy, and cannot use "non Consent" because you have offered your Consent already by submitting yourself to Statutory Citizenship through you Seal (signiture) on one of their instruments thus showing contract with them.

You must removed yourself from the Contracts, and resolve their presumption of you being a Statutory Citizen.

By stating you are a Federal Employee through these means, and then failing to follow Statutory Law as a Federal Employee is Un Lawful.

You dont want to be a Federal Employee.

But a Constitutional Citizen, and one of the People.

The Citizenship Status, and their types were created with the 14th and 15th Amendment, and is further elaborated upon in Statue Law.

As long as People continue acting as Federal Employees and Statute Citizens, they will be obligated by Law to fulfill their responsibilities for the privileges and benefits afforded them from the Government as such.

That is why you pay taxes, and are subject to every single Statue Law in existence.

You volunteer by Sealing their documents thus creating contracts.

You have not been sword in as a Federal Officer and Employee, thus committing perjury when signing these documents and Contract, thereby getting "fined" for such perjury through speeding tickets, taxes, and jail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7709473


What is a Government Franchise> [link to sedm.org]

Why the Government is defacto, and not dejure. [link to sedm.org]

If you read this information, the previous comments will be very clear, and you will find ways in which to find true remedy.
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My utilities are not public, they are Corporate, who runs the system?
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Just leave. Let the government filth try to exist without a host.
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HAHAHAHA...as if that'll teach people to obey LAWS.

People who blow red lights and stop signs aren't the kind of people who give a shit about their living conditions anyway.

They're basically screwing themselves over and making it look like the big bad city is MAKING them live in unsafe living conditions.

Fucking retarded...you get a speeding ticket then PAY THE FINE and be a GROWN UP about it.

You don't like photo laws ticketing...then take measures to CHANGE THE LAWS...but Nooooooo...that would mean being a responsible part of an established government.
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Thread: VIDEO ESCORT* NJ state troopers suspended over alleged high-speed escort for luxury sports cars

as NM city threathens people on speed camera tickets,
meanwhile in NJ, the state police is escorting millionairs as they race their sports cars down the highway over 100mph for a joyride.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15045199


You think they are giving the police some cash in order to do this? Maybe the police should do this for regular people. 100 bucks and you can race your car escorted. Bet people would take them up on that.
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New Mexico: City Shuts Off Water, Sewer for Photo Ticket Nonpayment


Las Cruces, New Mexico is threatening to cut off water, gas and sewer service over unpaid red light and speed camera tickets.

With more and more vehicle owners simply deciding refuse to pay red light camera and speed camera tickets, private, for-profit companies and municipalities are growing increasingly desperate. America's second-largest city shut down its photo ticketing program last year largely because residents who could not afford the $500 citations did not pay them. On Monday, Las Cruces, New Mexico announced it would shut off the utilities of city residents who refused to pay Redflex Traffic Systems, the Australian company that owns and operates the cameras.

"The city is notifying offenders by mail that they have until the due date stated in the letter to pay the fines or make satisfactory payment arrangements," a Las Cruces press release warned. "Failure to comply will result in termination of utilities services."
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[link to www.thenewspaper.com]
 Quoting: dollop of tennessee 1300042


This is socially unacceptable, innocent people will die at the hands of the government.
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New Mexico: City Shuts Off Water, Sewer for Photo Ticket Nonpayment


Las Cruces, New Mexico is threatening to cut off water, gas and sewer service over unpaid red light and speed camera tickets.

With more and more vehicle owners simply deciding refuse to pay red light camera and speed camera tickets, private, for-profit companies and municipalities are growing increasingly desperate. America's second-largest city shut down its photo ticketing program last year largely because residents who could not afford the $500 citations did not pay them. On Monday, Las Cruces, New Mexico announced it would shut off the utilities of city residents who refused to pay Redflex Traffic Systems, the Australian company that owns and operates the cameras.

"The city is notifying offenders by mail that they have until the due date stated in the letter to pay the fines or make satisfactory payment arrangements," a Las Cruces press release warned. "Failure to comply will result in termination of utilities services."
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[link to www.thenewspaper.com]
 Quoting: dollop of tennessee 1300042


This is socially unacceptable, innocent people will die at the hands of the government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1331137


Only socially? What about morally? Anyways, what are you going to do about it? If you want you can go ship out all the old people who are going to drop dead without their ACs.
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They put most of these cameras in poor neighborhoods near people who cannot defend themselves with lawyers. You won’t find one in upper-class neighborhoods the city’s will end up in court and loose and they know it.

Also there are numerous reports of people getting red light tickets for legally making a right turn on red!

It’s is a money grab and has nothing to do with traffic laws being broken. It is revenue generator pure and simple.

I told this story a while back; friend of mine had his license plate stolen. He reported it to the cops and got new plates. About a year later he gets a ticket in the mail saying he was speeding. The person in the pic wasn’t him, the car was not even close to his car but it was his stolen plate on the car. He had no recourse because the red light ticket is not a "ticket" it is a "civil fine" and does not add points to your license. He even mailed in the police report about the stolen plate but in the end he still had to pay a fine to a corporation over something that was stolen from him over a year before. He is waiting for the next ticket from the theif, his plate is still out there somewhere.
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