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Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?

 
Eazy D
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Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?
So I've been thinking about violence in the form of personal safety, self-defense, and to hold your own from tyranny. Naturally, I am sure that anyone would stand up and defend his/her self in a situation of violence with an attack from an opposition.

But, the path of non-resistance--'resist not evil'--tells us to literally resist all forms of violence, evil, and retaliation in spite of personal attack, integrity, and even death.

'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'

Now, I believe in the second amendment. We have the right to self-defense. I am sure, in the future, if any doom happens, that many of you agree with me that holding your own with a weapon will prove venerable.

But, I have been reading some of Leo Tolstoy's book 'The Kingdom of God is Within You'--so far it has been about the path of non-resistance and avoiding to follow the governments rules of violence. Here is an interesting, cool quote:

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' "How ought a subject to behave who believes that war is inconsistent with his religion (beliefs or values also) while the government demands from him that he should enter military service?

His duty is humbly but steadfastly to refuse to serve.

There are some people, who, without any definite reasoning about it, conclude straightaway that the responsibility of government measures rests entirely on those who resolve on them, or that the governments and sovereigns decide the question of what is good or bad for their subjects, and the duty of the subjects is merely to obey.

I think that arguments of this kind only obscure mens conscience. I cannot take part in the councils of government, and therefore I am not responsible for its misdeeds. Indeed, but we are responsible for our own misdeeds. And the misdeeds of our rulers become our own, if we, knowing that they are misdeeds, assist in carrying them out. Those who suppose that they are bound to obey the government, and that the responsibility for the misdeeds they commit is transferred from them to their rulers, deceive themselves.

They say: "We give our acts up to the will of others, and our acts cannot be good or bad; there is no merit in what is good nor responsibility for what is evil in our actions, since they are not done of our own will."
'

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What do you think? In the times ahead, is it okay, or necessary to resist violence with violence?

Do we avoid a possible draft because we know it is wrong?

Do we let others take our life in the name of holding on to our virtues of love?
Eazy D (OP)

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Re: Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?
People who choose non-resistance have consistently been undermined by government in an attempt to thwart the notion of peace, love, and compassion for the souls of this world.


Here is another excerpt from the book:

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"DECLARATION OF SENTIMENTS ADOPTED BY PEACE CONVENTION.
"Boston, 1838.

"We the undersigned, regard it as due to ourselves, to the cause which we love, to the country in which we live, to publish a declaration expressive of the purposes we aim to accomplish and the measures we shall adopt to carry forward the work of peaceful universal reformation.

"We do not acknowledge allegiance to any human government. We recognize but one King and Lawgiver, one Judge and Ruler of mankind. Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interests and rights of American citizens are not dearer to us than those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism to revenge any national insult or injury...

"We conceive that a nation has no right to defend itself against foreign enemies or to punish its invaders, and no individual possesses that right in his own case, and the unit cannot be of greater importance than the aggregate. If soldiers thronging from abroad with intent to commit rapine and destroy life may not be resisted by the people or the magistracy, then ought no resistance to be offered to domestic troublers of the public peace or of private security.........

Read more here:

[link to www.globusz.com]
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04/29/2012 10:11 PM
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Violence doesn't have a good track record at solving problems.

At least not ultimately.
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Re: Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?
Obviously, the ways of God (however you perceive God/Love to be) have been distorted and skewed by government and major religions. Do we try and bring back the true intentions of, say Christianity, and restore the world through the peace of Love?

Is it too late for us?

Since man can remember, government and religions have sought to destroy the true teachings that are inherent in man! Here is a good metaphor that I found in the book as well, that applies to this subject:

"Christ, by means of his disciples, would have caught all the world in his net of faith, but the greater fishes broke the net and escaped out of it, and all the rest have slipped through the holes made by the greater fishes, so that the net remained quite empty. The greater fishes who broke the net are the rules, emperors, popes, kings, who have not renounced power, and instead of true Christianity have put on what is simply a mask of it"
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Violence doesn't have a good track record at solving problems.

At least not ultimately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1782257


Agreed my friend.

It never will either.

But I know there are many on this site, and throughout the world, that believe it is necessary to uphold their beliefs (such as the constitution).
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Is it too late for us?


 Quoting: Eazy D


Nah.
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That is a very good question when it comes to self defense OP. Great thread topic:)

You must determin if your life is truely threatened and what the best action would be to take in an instant. Sometimes it is best to avoid conflict at all costs by staying undetected and yes, even fleeing can be an option if there is an opportunity to do so. Charm can also work to negotiate out of a possible violent outcome. I prefer to think like a ninja and stay invisible until I feel that I must act. To sum it up, It really just depends on the situation and the resources you have availiable.

Peace:)
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That is a very good question when it comes to self defense OP. Great thread topic:)

You must determin if your life is truely threatened and what the best action would be to take in an instant. Sometimes it is best to avoid conflict at all costs by staying undetected and yes, even fleeing can be an option if there is an opportunity to do so. Charm can also work to negotiate out of a possible violent outcome. I prefer to think like a ninja and stay invisible until I feel that I must act. To sum it up, It really just depends on the situation and the resources you have availiable.

Peace:)
 Quoting: DoubleHelix


^Common sense.

We need more of.
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Re: Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?
That is a very good question when it comes to self defense OP. Great thread topic:)

You must determin if your life is truely threatened and what the best action would be to take in an instant. Sometimes it is best to avoid conflict at all costs by staying undetected and yes, even fleeing can be an option if there is an opportunity to do so. Charm can also work to negotiate out of a possible violent outcome. I prefer to think like a ninja and stay invisible until I feel that I must act. To sum it up, It really just depends on the situation and the resources you have availiable.

Peace:)
 Quoting: DoubleHelix


Yes. Instinct and comes in to play--but if you are at a higher sense of consciousness or self-control, we can learn to think above our instincts.

Charm is a good answer. I read about Michel de Montaign, a French philosopher/writer, and one of his main questions that always bothered him was 'how does one stand up to another'

He witnessed a leader get attacked by a mob--instigated by religious affairs, ripped to pieces, and drug around the town. Apparently the man did not stand up in the correct manner. Another time, Montaigne was attacked by bandits while traveling, and was able to dissuade the attack by using his charisma and charm.

But, standing up to the government in times of unrest will be much different.

I hope I would be able to do the right thing in my heart. But, I was also reading that the same people who wrote some of the stuff Tolstoy was admiring even believe that a true believer and pacifist wouldn't even adhere to the 2nd amendment.
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Everybody....listen up...take a lessen from French Ladies of the Evening....the only thing that works is to stop consuming.....period!

Need to make a point clear....don't buy the product of the manufacturer you have a beef with. Seems to work with the consumer having to do without to prove a product needs help.

Violence is not acceptable....the man that makes items used in such things makes money from both sides......neutral manufacturing.
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Re: Tell me--is violence necessary in the coming times among us common people?
That is a very good question when it comes to self defense OP. Great thread topic:)

You must determin if your life is truely threatened and what the best action would be to take in an instant. Sometimes it is best to avoid conflict at all costs by staying undetected and yes, even fleeing can be an option if there is an opportunity to do so. Charm can also work to negotiate out of a possible violent outcome. I prefer to think like a ninja and stay invisible until I feel that I must act. To sum it up, It really just depends on the situation and the resources you have availiable.

Peace:)
 Quoting: DoubleHelix


Yes. Instinct and comes in to play--but if you are at a higher sense of consciousness or self-control, we can learn to think above our instincts.

Charm is a good answer. I read about Michel de Montaign, a French philosopher/writer, and one of his main questions that always bothered him was 'how does one stand up to another'

He witnessed a leader get attacked by a mob--instigated by religious affairs, ripped to pieces, and drug around the town. Apparently the man did not stand up in the correct manner. Another time, Montaigne was attacked by bandits while traveling, and was able to dissuade the attack by using his charisma and charm.

But, standing up to the government in times of unrest will be much different.

I hope I would be able to do the right thing in my heart. But, I was also reading that the same people who wrote some of the stuff Tolstoy was admiring even believe that a true believer and pacifist wouldn't even adhere to the 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Eazy D


DO NOT try to stand up to the government if they have a gun in your face. Just remember that you control your own mind and ultimately, you make the choices that are best for you and no one else can take the freedom of thought from you. You always have more than one choice.

Choose wisely young grasshopper:)
"I posit that the human being has the capability to utilize the ''real eyes'' to ''realize'' and see through the ''real lies'' ...The ''real eyes'' can only become operational when the heart and higher mind are in synchronized, which requires dual brain hemisphere synchronization."~Danial

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There is no real, everlasting death; therefore war, fighting and killing is just a game!
The vikings knew this, which is why they had such badass afterlife beliefs.

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