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LOSING YOUR RELIGION

 
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Fascinating!


So often we're told to seek our higher power when under stress. But I've always found that delving into a highly technical or scientific publication is the most effective way to reduce stress and achieve calm.

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Losing Your Religion: Analytic Thinking Can Undermine Belief

A series of new experiments shows that analytic thinking can override intuitive assumptions, including those that underlie religious belief

By Marina Krakovsky | Thursday, April 26, 2012 | 68

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People who are intuitive thinkers are more likely to be religious, but getting them to think analytically even in subtle ways decreases the strength of their belief, according to a new study in Science.

The research, conducted by University of British Columbia psychologists Will Gervais and Ara Norenzayan, does not take sides in the debate between religion and atheism, but aims instead to illuminate one of the origins of belief and disbelief. "To understand religion in humans," Gervais says, "you need to accommodate for the fact that there are many millions of believers and nonbelievers."

One of their studies correlated measures of religious belief with people's scores on a popular test of analytic thinking. The test poses three deceptively simple math problems. One asks: "If it takes five machines five minutes to make five widgets, how long would it take 100 machines to make 100 widgets?" The first answer that comes to mind—100 minutes—turns out to be wrong. People who take the time to reason out the correct answer (five minutes) are, by definition, more analytical—and these analytical types tend to score lower on the researchers' tests of religious belief.

But the researchers went beyond this interesting link, running four experiments showing that analytic thinking actually causes disbelief. In one experiment, they randomly assigned participants to either the analytic or control condition. They then showed them photos of either Rodin's The Thinker or, in the control condition, of the ancient Greek sculpture Discobolus, which depicts an athlete poised to throw a discus. (The Thinker was used because it is such an iconic image of deep reflection that, in a separate test with different participants, seeing the statue improved how well subjects reasoned through logical syllogisms.) After seeing the images, participants took a test measuring their belief in God on a scale of 0 to 100. Their scores on the test varied widely, with a standard deviation of about 35 in the control group. But it is the difference in the averages that tells the real story: In the control group, the average score for belief in God was 61.55, or somewhat above the scale's midpoint. On the other hand, for the group who had just seen The Thinker, the resulting average was only 41.42. Such a gap is large enough to indicate a mild believer is responding as a mild nonbeliever—all from being visually reminded of the human capacity to think.

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Religion makes people dumb.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid,
it is true that most stupid people are conservative.

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It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand.
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Religion makes people dumb.
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so what ??

is that a bad thing ??
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Religion makes people dumb.
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so what ??

is that a bad thing ??
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If you want to be dumb, then no.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid,
it is true that most stupid people are conservative.

John Stuart Mill
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It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand.
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I never had religion. I was raised to explore any religions I wanted, and became an atheist after exploring them. I dedicated myself to history, and actually debunking religion.

In the end I found out there was just as much evidence for the existence of Christ as the non-existence and I made a conscious choice to believe, however, having explored the bible and everything surrounding it I decided to reject the bible and follow Christ and his Father morally.

This didn't mean I rejected science, logic, or history. I embraced all of those, but like Einstein I had decided to believe in a higher power.

To put it another way: I never had religion, but now I have spirituality.
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Religion makes people dumb.
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More importantly, religion is divisive. It keeps people of different faiths from truly coming together.
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Religion makes people dumb.
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More importantly, religion is divisive. It keeps people of different faiths from truly coming together.
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Religion does, Spirituality doesn't. In order for us to perform on the intergalactic stage we must first learn to accept and tolerate that people believe different things.

ETs won't believe in God, or they'll believe in a different God. They may worship a golden doughnut. They may act like stereotypical black people all with voices like Chris Tucker's.

Tolerance. We have to leave it up to our Gods to judge, and stop judging ourselves.
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Religion makes people dumb.
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so what ??

is that a bad thing ??
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If you want to be dumb, then no.
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besides, religion is a right of Americans

being anti-religious is anti-American
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Religion makes people dumb.
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More importantly, religion is divisive. It keeps people of different faiths from truly coming together.
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divide and conquer mari-onet
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There is some truth to that, religion can make some people dumb, can make some people irrational, can cause divisions, can bring out the worst in people, can make people greedy and proud, but most of all, it keeps them from having a personal relationship with God's Son. That's why I stay away from religion.

If you have not received the life of Christ, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that only comes from belief in the Messiah, who is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINFUL CONDITION, then you are spiritually dead.

You are a natural man, walking dead in the ways of the world, thinking you have attained to a higher sense of being, but lost and deceived by the one who is in control of this world this present time.

You must be born again. You must believe and accept the sacrifice that Almighty God has provided through His Son, Jesus Christ.

When you have done this, then the truth will be made clear to you--the scales will have fallen from your eyes and you will see and understand the things of God.

Until that happens, any other attempt to try to achieve spiritual whatever, will just be a lie and a deterrent to keep your eyes of Christ--it's the devils main intent and so many are choosing to go his way because they set their eyes on the behavior of man and don't take the time to see who Jesus Christ really is.
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There is some truth to that, religion can make some people dumb, can make some people irrational, can cause divisions, can bring out the worst in people, can make people greedy and proud, but most of all, it keeps them from having a personal relationship with God's Son. That's why I stay away from religion.

If you have not received the life of Christ, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that only comes from belief in the Messiah, who is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINFUL CONDITION, then you are spiritually dead.

You are a natural man, walking dead in the ways of the world, thinking you have attained to a higher sense of being, but lost and deceived by the one who is in control of this world this present time.

You must be born again. You must believe and accept the sacrifice that Almighty God has provided through His Son, Jesus Christ.

When you have done this, then the truth will be made clear to you--the scales will have fallen from your eyes and you will see and understand the things of God.

Until that happens, any other attempt to try to achieve spiritual whatever, will just be a lie and a deterrent to keep your eyes of Christ--it's the devils main intent and so many are choosing to go his way because they set their eyes on the behavior of man and don't take the time to see who Jesus Christ really is.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


You do realize that Baptism is an Ancient Egyptian and Ancient Roman ritual? It has nothing to do with the Christ.
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There is some truth to that, religion can make some people dumb, can make some people irrational, can cause divisions, can bring out the worst in people, can make people greedy and proud, but most of all, it keeps them from having a personal relationship with God's Son. That's why I stay away from religion.

If you have not received the life of Christ, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that only comes from belief in the Messiah, who is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINFUL CONDITION, then you are spiritually dead.

You are a natural man, walking dead in the ways of the world, thinking you have attained to a higher sense of being, but lost and deceived by the one who is in control of this world this present time.

You must be born again. You must believe and accept the sacrifice that Almighty God has provided through His Son, Jesus Christ.

When you have done this, then the truth will be made clear to you--the scales will have fallen from your eyes and you will see and understand the things of God.

Until that happens, any other attempt to try to achieve spiritual whatever, will just be a lie and a deterrent to keep your eyes of Christ--it's the devils main intent and so many are choosing to go his way because they set their eyes on the behavior of man and don't take the time to see who Jesus Christ really is.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


nonnonsense

hope you are not putting this shit into children minds, you are destroying humanity and goodness doing this and seriously it's not a surprise there is so much child abuse in all these temples.

there is no truth in a bunch of lies made to brainwash people so they will follow anybody and fall for anything without asking any questions: SUICIDE

beyond digusting, you are already born and you cannot be born a second time, stop spreading lies hurting people souls and minds!

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You do realize that Baptism is an Ancient Egyptian and Ancient Roman ritual? It has nothing to do with the Christ.
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yes, but it also has to do with the Christ as well....


walking on water.... 33-211
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You do realize that Baptism is an Ancient Egyptian and Ancient Roman ritual? It has nothing to do with the Christ.
 Quoting: Charlie the Choo-Choo



yes, but it also has to do with the Christ as well....


walking on water.... 33-211
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Walking on water and Baptism have nothing to do with one another. One was a declaration of divine power, the other is a pre-Christian ritual that honors multiple Gods.
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Religion is for suckers and people who can't read/think for themselves.

May the Most High bless all of you. =]