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Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................

 
Krime
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Hi Salt,

Replying to two of your recent threads. The one about the
deterioration of society and your "zombie, bath salts" thread.

Seems like daily we're seeing the increase of evil, dear Lord, help us.

The horror of the zombie incident in Miami, reminded me of
NDE revelations about those who first went to hell. That's
what is going on in hell!!!
 Quoting: Mary 14488282


there is nothing going on in hell at the moment. nobody has been sent there yet.
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dang Salt, nice pic change.
is that you?

actually, there is some Apocrapha that mentions Jesus going to hell to bring out the souls of those that were sent there, but were saved due to Christ's crusifiction.
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
Hi Salt,

Replying to two of your recent threads. The one about the
deterioration of society and your "zombie, bath salts" thread.

Seems like daily we're seeing the increase of evil, dear Lord, help us.

The horror of the zombie incident in Miami, reminded me of
NDE revelations about those who first went to hell. That's
what is going on in hell!!!
 Quoting: Mary 14488282


there is nothing going on in hell at the moment. nobody has been sent there yet.
 Quoting: Salt


dang Salt, nice pic change.
is that you?

actually, there is some Apocrapha that mentions Jesus going to hell to bring out the souls of those that were sent there, but were saved due to Christ's crusifiction.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


yes it's me. i caught a ton of shit by using joan jetts pic so i decided to put the real me up.

re: Jesus going to hell. i would like to see a reference of that. Hades and hell are two different things.
Krime
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
Hi Salt,

Replying to two of your recent threads. The one about the
deterioration of society and your "zombie, bath salts" thread.

Seems like daily we're seeing the increase of evil, dear Lord, help us.

The horror of the zombie incident in Miami, reminded me of
NDE revelations about those who first went to hell. That's
what is going on in hell!!!
 Quoting: Mary 14488282


there is nothing going on in hell at the moment. nobody has been sent there yet.
 Quoting: Salt


dang Salt, nice pic change.
is that you?

actually, there is some Apocrapha that mentions Jesus going to hell to bring out the souls of those that were sent there, but were saved due to Christ's crusifiction.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


yes it's me. i caught a ton of shit by using joan jetts pic so i decided to put the real me up.

re: Jesus going to hell. i would like to see a reference of that. Hades and hell are two different things.
 Quoting: Salt


dang hun, your gonna make people sin, LOL!

tbh its only something ive heard many times over, and think ibwatched a documentery about it a while ago. ill try n see if i can find something on it.
Hades=Greek god hell.
hell=hell.
Krime
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
Salt:
there are alot, and my posting of sites hasnt been working well lately.
but you can google "Apocrypha of Jesus going to hell" and you'll come up with alot, some say Hades some say hell.
but you'd have to imagine the Greeks would have likely used the term Hades to represent hell given their Greek background.
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Salt:
there are alot, and my posting of sites hasnt been working well lately.
but you can google "Apocrypha of Jesus going to hell" and you'll come up with alot, some say Hades some say hell.
but you'd have to imagine the Greeks would have likely used the term Hades to represent hell given their Greek background.
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nah... the Greeks would never confuse the two
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Salt:
there are alot, and my posting of sites hasnt been working well lately.
but you can google "Apocrypha of Jesus going to hell" and you'll come up with alot, some say Hades some say hell.
but you'd have to imagine the Greeks would have likely used the term Hades to represent hell given their Greek background.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


nah... the Greeks would never confuse the two
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is that sarcasm? or are you serious?
if serious, please do explain?
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
Salt:
there are alot, and my posting of sites hasnt been working well lately.
but you can google "Apocrypha of Jesus going to hell" and you'll come up with alot, some say Hades some say hell.
but you'd have to imagine the Greeks would have likely used the term Hades to represent hell given their Greek background.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


nah... the Greeks would never confuse the two
 Quoting: Salt


is that sarcasm? or are you serious?
if serious, please do explain?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


during the Hellenistic period, the hellenistic je w s were meticulous in their translations of ancient Hebrew and Aramaic
Krime
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Salt:
there are alot, and my posting of sites hasnt been working well lately.
but you can google "Apocrypha of Jesus going to hell" and you'll come up with alot, some say Hades some say hell.
but you'd have to imagine the Greeks would have likely used the term Hades to represent hell given their Greek background.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


nah... the Greeks would never confuse the two
 Quoting: Salt


is that sarcasm? or are you serious?
if serious, please do explain?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


during the Hellenistic period, the hellenistic je w s were meticulous in their translations of ancient Hebrew and Aramaic
 Quoting: Salt


you mean like Yahuwah to Iesus? LOL. j/k i understand what your saying however, was there a Hebrew word for hell?
ill check the Strongs on that.
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
Krime
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


FFS, LOL, see?
*SIGH*
just type in "hell" in the search box, and passages will come up, then click the number (footnote) next to the word "hell" and it should come up.
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
 Quoting: Salt


so Jesus going to hell (hades) after crusifiction, your arguement is?
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
 Quoting: Salt


so Jesus going to hell (hades) after crusifiction, your arguement is?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
Krime
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
 Quoting: Salt


so Jesus going to hell (hades) after crusifiction, your arguement is?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
 Quoting: Salt


but can you prove that?
dont get me wrong, im not saying He did or didnt, tbh i dont know, but tbh, if He did, it would go quite well with the "why have you forsaken me" part.
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also, Salt are you familure with Jewish law?
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correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
 Quoting: Salt


so Jesus going to hell (hades) after crusifiction, your arguement is?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
 Quoting: Salt


but can you prove that?
dont get me wrong, im not saying He did or didnt, tbh i dont know, but tbh, if He did, it would go quite well with the "why have you forsaken me" part.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


i guess i'm not interested in proving it. not my responsibility. i am merely going by what the scriptures say collectively.
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so Jesus going to hell (hades) after crusifiction, your arguement is?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
 Quoting: Salt


but can you prove that?
dont get me wrong, im not saying He did or didnt, tbh i dont know, but tbh, if He did, it would go quite well with the "why have you forsaken me" part.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


i guess i'm not interested in proving it. not my responsibility. i am merely going by what the scriptures say collectively.
 Quoting: Salt


sorry if i offended.
collectively as in bible not Apocrypha?
whats the difference really? because the books/gospels were cannonized?
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Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
 Quoting: Salt


but can you prove that?
dont get me wrong, im not saying He did or didnt, tbh i dont know, but tbh, if He did, it would go quite well with the "why have you forsaken me" part.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar

i guess i'm not interested in proving it. not my responsibility. i am merely going by what the scriptures say collectively.
 Quoting: Salt


sorry if i offended.
collectively as in bible not Apocrypha?
whats the difference really? because the books/gospels were cannonized?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079



Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar
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Jesus was completely separated from God. that does not mean he went to hell.
 Quoting: Salt


but can you prove that?
dont get me wrong, im not saying He did or didnt, tbh i dont know, but tbh, if He did, it would go quite well with the "why have you forsaken me" part.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079



i guess i'm not interested in proving it. not my responsibility. i am merely going by what the scriptures say collectively.
 Quoting: Salt


sorry if i offended.
collectively as in bible not Apocrypha?
whats the difference really? because the books/gospels were cannonized?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079



Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar
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Re: Christians: We are not under the law of the Old Testament....................
not to mention, God's name has no vowels
 Quoting: Salt


Actually it's ALL vowels.

II-AH-OO-AH = IEUE = IHYH

No other language at the time had vowels...this is one of the myriad of things that set His Name apart...it could ONLY be pronounced in Ibrit/Hebrew.
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I fixed that for you.
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Blue letter bible says Hebrew for hell is shoel, also defined in part as Hades. ill see if i can post this site, but forgive me if it doesnt work:

[link to blueletterbible.org]
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


correct. shoel and hades were used metaphorically in certain scriptures.
 Quoting: Salt


THERE IS ALSO THIS
Chapter Five: Heaven and Hell (Part 2)

Hell is termed “Gehenom” in Hebrew and is sometimes known as “The Netherworld”. It’s the unholy realm in which we bear the consequences of our bad ethical choices. But something needs to be emphasized here; for as Ramchal puts it, Gehenom is the place where “the soul is punished”, not the body. That’s to say, the sort of recompense and punishment we’re speaking of here is an immaterial kind. Hence the idea that Hell is a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned, as it’s usually taken to be, is absurd by our reckoning.

After all, if it was our bodies that experienced Gehenom, then we could conceivably be said to suffer the kind of hell-fire and brimstone that’s associated with Hell. But that’s not the case.

So some offered that the punishments depicted were metaphorical; they said that they stood for a sort of mental and emotional anguish of the soul. But while elevating the suffering to a non-material level of abstract anguish certainly separates it from the body, that’s still only one step beyond an out-and-out a material understanding of it.

Yet the tradition is clear about the existence of Gehenom, and it certainly insists upon the reality of recompense for wrongdoing just as much as it’s resolute about reward for goodness (which is why Ramchal equated the two when he said that “just as there are different degrees of punishment” in Gehenom, “there are likewise different degrees delight” in Gan Eden). So what is Gehenom all about after all?

It comes to this: the otherworldly suffering undergone in Gehenom is of a wholly spiritual kind that’s set-off by what’s termed elsewhere a "subtle, ethereal fire” (see Ramban’s Sha’ar HaGemul) that’s totally out of our experience -- just as out of our experience, by the way, as the immaterial mechanism that allows for the sort of otherworldly delight enjoyed in Gan Eden.


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and there is this


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