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A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

 
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You are right, I am a Christian, and for me atheists are also my brothers, I mean, we are all man, same people, from the same Source, God or Earth itself. It makes me sad to see Christians threating to atheist, you will burn in hell for all eternity, did Jesus taught that, absolutely not, he taught us to love one another no matter what..and he taught us to love all people not because that is God's will only, but because we really want to. Did Jesus taught us to argue, to fight in God's name, no, again he taught us to love, but what i see here on Glp, is that most Christians only love other Christians, and that is wrong. We should have respect for every single living soul, cos we are all connected, we live in the same world, we share the same home, we are the same people, the same Sun gives us all life, we drink the same water, we breathe the same air, we are the same no matter what belif we have.. Everyone finds his way, some find God, some science, some both, some this some that, but as long as we love one another it does NOT matter what is our belif. What created the universe, I don't know, but I know that we are here and now and that matters, what we will make out of this world depends on us, and hate and intolerance will lead us into failure, what we see today, and if we continue like this, it can only get worse. And as you are reading this, know that I Love You. Cheers brothers and sisters hf
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Just to clarify...

You're clearly not following God's Word if you are suggesting it's okay that one finds "his way" through science instead of God, or that God might NOT have created the universe... That's a pretty big error to make if you claim to be following Christ.


You are right, of course, that we are all God's children and we should love each other no matter what, but many Christians on this board have consistently stated that they are bugging people only out of love, to try and win their souls and bring them to Jesus Christ.

If Christians did NOT love you, you would never hear a word from them.

Yes, it can be offensive to have your comfort zone or belief system threatened. It's also offensive to be confronted about an unhealthy addiction. It's called Tough Love. :)
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I was trying to say that you can belive whatever you want, I know what is best for me, and that is Jesus, i tried to talk to lot of people, but they just don't listen, so what can I do, i still love them all and care for them, if you won't belive in God, belive in whatever you want, but be responsible for your decisions , if they don't want to see God for themselves, that is not my problem, i tried, i did my best, be sure on that one, i really did my best, but I failed in most cases.. I agree with you on everything you said.
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Now tell me friend...do you think electricity really has a soul or even conscience to think, feel or reflect about it's positive and negative actions and interaction..if No then why do you create a religion and institional hierarchal system that claims you need to serve and pray to it for some form of salvation?
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I think you're right...God is this "Electricity" with Polar opposites, each Pole existing at opposite ends of a spectrum, with the material world being in the center where negative and positive energies meet.

If negative energy is expressed as matter and positive energy is expressed as Ether, or spirit.

Conciousness, then would exist in it's purest form at the end of the spectrum as one ultimate unit of conciousness. Same is true of Love.

When spirit becomes trapped in matter, it cannot go back to the source with the matter attached.

+ x - = -

So you need to multiply it with another negative to turn it back into positive

- x + = +

This mathmatic expression manifests as Christ with crucifixion.

All life is energy expressed matmatically.
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Just to clarify...

You're clearly not following God's Word if you are suggesting it's okay that one finds "his way" through science instead of God, or that God might NOT have created the universe... That's a pretty big error to make if you claim to be following Christ.


You are right, of course, that we are all God's children and we should love each other no matter what, but many Christians on this board have consistently stated that they are bugging people only out of love, to try and win their souls and bring them to Jesus Christ.

If Christians did NOT love you, you would never hear a word from them.

Yes, it can be offensive to have your comfort zone or belief system threatened. It's also offensive to be confronted about an unhealthy addiction. It's called Tough Love. :)


I was trying to say that you can belive whatever you want, I know what is best for me, and that is Jesus, i tried to talk to lot of people, but they just don't listen, so what can I do, i still love them all and care for them, if you won't belive in God, belive in whatever you want, but be responsible for your decisions , if they don't want to see God for themselves, that is not my problem, i tried, i did my best, be sure on that one, i really did my best, but I failed in most cases.. I agree with you on everything you said.


And one more thing, I do belive that God created all the universe and life, I truly belive that with all my heart and soul, but in fact, what do I know, I don't..That's what I was trying to say. One day everything will be known, everything hidden will be brought to the light, oh yes :)
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worst sticky discussion in a longo time.

Ever watch people use those turnstile doors for the first time and they just sorta go round and round and round? I mean you think you're getting someplace because the wind is in your hair and the scenery keeps changing but then you look down and you haven't moved an inch in several rotations.
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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Not only the book, the book is the guide my friend. You never experienced God. Do you want to experince Him, feel His presence?
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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Another clear case of CIR, get out before it spreads!
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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Well, maybe not in any way you'd like, but I'll tell you what, I can *CERTAINLY* ascertain that you have not experienced God nor would you want to, because you just might have to change your ways, and we all know that isn't going to happen.

So don't worry yourself about it, and if life makes you happy and joyful and you think there's nothing wrong with you, rock on with yourself and good luck with all that.
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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Well, maybe not in any way you'd like, but I'll tell you what, I can *CERTAINLY* ascertain that you have not experienced God nor would you want to, because you just might have to change your ways, and we all know that isn't going to happen.

So don't worry yourself about it, and if life makes you happy and joyful and you think there's nothing wrong with you, rock on with yourself and good luck with all that.
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Yes, change your ways, that's the key..
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GOD is Truth and Truth is GOD.

Atheists are basically claiming that Truth does not exist.

Those that believe Truth exists are ignorant of Truth compared to those that know Truth exists.

But at least they are not as ignorant as those who claim that Truth does not exist.

That Truth is dead...long live the lie.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil
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Being that I am One, I am the Atheist.

That is, being God, I assert that I do not believe that I exist.

However, it is the greatest revelation for Me, the Atheist, when I realize that I must exist in order to be able to assert that I do not exist.

So it goes with God being God. God accepts Him/Her/Itself and God rejects Him/Her/Itself. No other Way than the Way that I am.
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Putting authority and texts aside for a moment, religionists claim knowledge of God from their own experience in the end - Atheists argue that those claims are flawed for various reasons and don't, as a logical necessity, mean that God "exists". But religionists go on believing it anyway for their own reasons.

Atheists cannot make an appeal to their own experience, because they cannot experience something that is not. They also go on believing for their own reasons. That is their faith. Atheism = a religion, and many atheists are just as "evangelical" as the bible belt, spreading their own good news of some sort of logical nirvana.

We'll know for sure when we know, or not.
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GOD is Truth and Truth is GOD.

Atheists are basically claiming that Truth does not exist.

Those that believe Truth exists are ignorant of Truth compared to those that know Truth exists.

But at least they are not as ignorant as those who claim that Truth does not exist.

That Truth is dead...long live the lie.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil
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No, the love of money is the root of all evil. That is the truth!
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Its not about the existence of God really. Its about the fact that a lot f Christian say that Christianity is the ONLY true religion, and everyone else is wrong, and going straight to hell.

The Bible is completely immoral - kill anyone who doesn't believe in your god, even entire cities, women are to be subservient to the man, and cant be teachers of any kind. Homosexuals would be put to death, rebellious children would be put to death, you need to kill your neighbor if you see him working on the sabbath, Slavery is an accepted institution, etc...

Not to mention all the error's, and plagiary in the Bible. Jesus has many similarities to other Gods. The story of the Great Flood is taken from the epic of gilgamesh... So on and so forth.

Im agnostic.
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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Well, maybe not in any way you'd like, but I'll tell you what, I can *CERTAINLY* ascertain that you have not experienced God nor would you want to, because you just might have to change your ways, and we all know that isn't going to happen.

So don't worry yourself about it, and if life makes you happy and joyful and you think there's nothing wrong with you, rock on with yourself and good luck with all that.
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What are wrong with my ways exactly? Is it that I denounce your god or something else?
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I can't see how anyone can willingly believe in a manufactured belief.
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worst sticky discussion in a longo time.

Ever watch people use those turnstile doors for the first time and they just sorta go round and round and round? I mean you think you're getting someplace because the wind is in your hair and the scenery keeps changing but then you look down and you haven't moved an inch in several rotations.
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That is what you see because that is how you feel.

You see it going nowhere, because you refuse to budge.

However, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of people reading this, and a great deal of them are probably on the fence about the whole thing.

They've grown up under the thumb of Human-from-Slime Evolution propaganda, and have spent most of their lives surrounded by Anti-God expressions funneled through every media outlet available. (I can't think of a single TV Show or popular piece of Music that promotes Christ's teachings in any meaningful way, but in fact teaches the direct opposite. "Do what feels good" = Satan's: "Do as thou wilt")

Hopefully this message is coming to them, to reconsider while they still have time to do so.
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Its not about the existence of God really. Its about the fact that a lot f Christian say that Christianity is the ONLY true religion, and everyone else is wrong, and going straight to hell.

The Bible is completely immoral - kill anyone who doesn't believe in your god, even entire cities, women are to be subservient to the man, and cant be teachers of any kind. Homosexuals would be put to death, rebellious children would be put to death, you need to kill your neighbor if you see him working on the sabbath, Slavery is an accepted institution, etc...

Not to mention all the error's, and plagiary in the Bible. Jesus has many similarities to other Gods. The story of the Great Flood is taken from the epic of gilgamesh... So on and so forth.

Im agnostic.
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What exactly would you expect ? What religion would not think/say that they are right ? Typical straw man argument.
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Lets face it, christianity is a dying religion. You simply cannot force feed this crap down everyone's throats and expect them to believe it. Sure, there might be some stupid people out there who will be gullible enough to bite, but most people nowadays have a better understanding of how the universe works.

Yeah, I know already, I will burn in hell, ya de ya de ya.
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waaaaaay tl/dr and paragraph breaks please

as Christians we use the Word of God the Bible to cast down imaginations and everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God period. our opinions have no bearing on any discussions they will bear no fruit

Jesus used then Word to resist the devil's temptations as an example to us

the Word is our sword our ONLY offensive weapon. it's why atheists and antichrists always say don't use the Bible. the enemy wants to disarm us!

faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God not convoluted ideas arguments and opinions.

we do not resist evil but overcome evil with good

we need to know the Bible so we are always prepared to give to every man an answer for the hope we have in Christ

and preach the gospel : ) in season out of season and all the more as we see the Day approaching

we preach Christ and Him crucified. the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. man's wisdom is but folly to God.

the Holy Spirit speaks through us as we yield to Him. we have this treasure in earthen vessels to show this great power is from God and not from us.

the Holy Spirit ALWAYS points to Jesus Christ as should we :) He is the way the truth and the life!

love rb
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worst sticky discussion in a longo time.

Ever watch people use those turnstile doors for the first time and they just sorta go round and round and round? I mean you think you're getting someplace because the wind is in your hair and the scenery keeps changing but then you look down and you haven't moved an inch in several rotations.
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That is what you see because that is how you feel.

You see it going nowhere, because you refuse to budge.

However, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of people reading this, and a great deal of them are probably on the fence about the whole thing.

They've grown up under the thumb of Human-from-Slime Evolution propaganda, and have spent most of their lives surrounded by Anti-God expressions funneled through every media outlet available. (I can't think of a single TV Show or popular piece of Music that promotes Christ's teachings in any meaningful way, but in fact teaches the direct opposite. "Do what feels good" = Satan's: "Do as thou wilt")

Hopefully this message is coming to them, to reconsider while they still have time to do so.
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I see it going nowhere because the conversation in fact goes nowhere. That is plainly observable and a constant in religious discussion. Each side becomes more entrenched. This is so reliable it's how Greenwich sets it's clocks. Observing this constant, one can conclude that forum discussion is in fact the last method one should rely on to spread the "good news".

I don't think for half a millisecond that there are hundreds or thousands of people who are on the fence and will read this thread. Not for a half a millisecond.

I don't know where you are living where people are raised atheists, surrounded by atheism, but the world I grew up in is overwhelmingly christian. Atheism is in the vast minority, on every continent, in every walk of life, at every economic level.

BTW, when you declare from a distance that you know what someone is thinking, you are shewing you're willingness to be ignorant. Deciding that you do in fact know something when you could not know it is a lie and intentional self-inflicted ignorance. You can't know that I "refuse to budge" and shouldn't state so publicly.
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I can't see how anyone can willingly believe in a manufactured belief.
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I think the problem with OP'S thread, is, unfortunately, he is approaching the belief of a Universal Creator through the eyes of a Christian, and thus will be viewed with skepticism right away. He is trying to prove the existence of the "Biblical" creator, and this will fail. Especially with non-religious people AND especially Atheists. My brothers an Atheist and the first thing he would say to you OP, is if there's a God people pray to, why would be allow murderers, pedophiles, and so so much evil to destroy and torture people in this world? Why when you pray to him, he does nothing?

The reason you will get questions such as this, is simply because the Bible has so many holes in it. On many occasions, the God of the Bible can be demanding, cruel, angry, controlling and many other HUMAN attributes. First thing to establish? Many quote and writings in the Bible were written by men, then exaggerated or changed by them. It is human nature to do so.

I can personally make a list here of Scientists, doctors, ASTRONAUTS ect that believe in a Universal Creator of everything just as easily as an Atheist can put out a list of those whom do not believe. Einstein didn't believe in the BIBLICAL creator but based on years of work at the sub-atomic level,he firmly denyed atheism, and expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details. Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

You are also going to find a large number of brilliant scientists whom are atheists such as arguably the most brilliant in the world...James Watson, or even Hawkings. Fortunately, their BELIEFS are based on the God of the Bible, and this particular God makes Atheists laugh. It cannot be used in argument when trying to propose there was a creator.

Carl Sagan, “The People’s Astronomer," made many interesting statements about God. “The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by "God" one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying ... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.” In my opinion, he almost gets it.....but I do believe there is emotion to this flow....

Sagan, however, denied that he was an atheist: "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know." In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic." By Carl Sagan’s self description, he was an agnostic.

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Stephen Hawking, the most famed physicist alive today, once wrote that "the actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics…" Is this a puzzling statement coming from someone who grew up in an atheist household?

In a perhaps more telling statement from Hawking he stated that “An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job!” **lol...interesting statement don't you think?

I mean, when we listen to Einstein, Hawkings, Sagan....it sounds like they believe in something more than just chance in the Universe, or Aliens much more advanced than we are. There is a balance, laws governing the day to day actions in our universe....a copied blue print from the micro to the macro that mysteriously appears identical......a look at the Universe with connected Galaxies across a large expanse, such as 100 Mpc/h (mega parsecs) which is an incredible expanse of our space .....you see a web-like structure that resembles the human brains neurons.....so the question arises......is everything connected in some way? To try to argue there is or is not a God, such as Christians and non-believers have been doing for thousands of years, or perhaps, bringing us all a little closer together by realizing just how huge this issue of creation really is when you look at it on a Universal level.....it seems like people are arguing the difference between a human and a virus cell.

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waaaaaay tl/dr and paragraph breaks please

as Christians we use the Word of God the Bible to cast down imaginations and everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God period. our opinions have no bearing on any discussions they will bear no fruit

Jesus used then Word to resist the devil's temptations as an example to us

the Word is our sword our ONLY offensive weapon. it's why atheists and antichrists always say don't use the Bible. the enemy wants to disarm us!

faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God not convoluted ideas arguments and opinions.

we do not resist evil but overcome evil with good

we need to know the Bible so we are always prepared to give to every man an answer for the hope we have in Christ

and preach the gospel : ) in season out of season and all the more as we see the Day approaching

we preach Christ and Him crucified. the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. man's wisdom is but folly to God.

the Holy Spirit speaks through us as we yield to Him. we have this treasure in earthen vessels to show this great power is from God and not from us.

the Holy Spirit ALWAYS points to Jesus Christ as should we :) He is the way the truth and the life!

love rb
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Corinthians 2:14
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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I can't see how anyone can willingly believe in a manufactured belief.
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**lol...interesting statement don't you think?

I mean, when we listen to Einstein, Hawkings, Sagan....it sounds like they believe in something more than just chance in the Universe, or Aliens much more advanced than we are. There is a balance, laws governing the day to day actions in our universe....a copied blue print from the micro to the macro that mysteriously appears identical......a look at the Universe with connected Galaxies across a large expanse, such as 100 Mpc/h (mega parsecs) which is an incredible expanse of our space .....you see a web-like structure that resembles the human brains neurons.....so the question arises......is everything connected in some way? To try to argue there is or is not a God, such as Christians and non-believers have been doing for thousands of years, or perhaps, bringing us all a little closer together by realizing just how huge this issue of creation really is when you look at it on a Universal level.....it seems like people are arguing the difference between a human and a virus cell.

[link to www.exohuman.com]
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God is not a set of laws. He set the laws of the universe. He is an engineer. Too bad we live only 70-80 years and we can't study to much of his work.
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You are so right. In Genesis Chapter One we are introduced to an entity known only as `God.` We see this entity mentioned again in Gen 5:2. In Gen. 2:4 we`re introduced to this damn wanna be, psychopathic, murderous entity known as `the LORD God.` This is NOT the same god as in Genesis Chapter One!! In law, anything that appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is fiction!! What does that tell you about YHWH, LORD, etc.,? They`re all FICTION!! Now go to Mathew 1:25 and see what you find there. Yes, that`s right - JESUS is spelled in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS = Fiction!!
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I don't think I've ever read a more vile description of God in my entire life.

I couldn't care less if God is a He, a She, or an "IT".

God has the same feelings we do and I can't help but think you just hurt him/her tremendously with those words.

They were truly despicable.

Miggy
Be Still and know that I am God.
-Psalms 46:10
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I see it going nowhere because the conversation in fact goes nowhere. That is plainly observable and a constant in religious discussion. Each side becomes more entrenched. This is so reliable it's how Greenwich sets it's clocks. Observing this constant, one can conclude that forum discussion is in fact the last method one should rely on to spread the "good news".
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Well I know from experience that you are wrong, because I have been moved to seek Christ, partly through his messages that have been shown on these forums.

Again, you see it going nowhere because you don't wish to follow it. You're just sitting at the starting line telling everyone approaching that, to go the distance is futile.


I don't know where you are living where people are raised atheists, surrounded by atheism, but the world I grew up in is overwhelmingly christian. Atheism is in the vast minority, on every continent, in every walk of life, at every economic level.
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Okay, tell me what the average child does with his or her free time?

Do they read The Bible?

No they listen to Anti-God Music or watch Anti-God TV programs. I call them Anti-God because they promote everything from "Do what you want and have a good time" all the way to occult power, demon-worship and witchcraft, which tons of cartoons are based on.

And then there's school, where teachings of Christ are not allowed, yet other religions like Macro-Evolution are pushed regularly, where the child conforms or fails the class.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I do believe in God, but he is not in all the stories in the bible. Those quotes from god were told by Moses who could have easily transmitted his personal views not God views. If they were really told by someone to moses that couldn't have been god, if they were told by moses himself.... I don't understand what you mean about capital letters.
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Moses, like most of those chosen by God to become the leaders and prophets of Israel constantly argued with God that he was too "stupid" a man to serve God in that capacity.

Moses was NO Charleton Heston. He was shy in public, stuttered, terrified of speaking to large groups, etc.

Do you really think he'd go and screw His words up after God promised Moses that He would ensure the right message was displayed to the people- in part by the use of his outgoing brother, Aaron?
Be Still and know that I am God.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
You are so right. In Genesis Chapter One we are introduced to an entity known only as `God.` We see this entity mentioned again in Gen 5:2. In Gen. 2:4 we`re introduced to this damn wanna be, psychopathic, murderous entity known as `the LORD God.` This is NOT the same god as in Genesis Chapter One!! In law, anything that appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is fiction!! What does that tell you about YHWH, LORD, etc.,? They`re all FICTION!! Now go to Mathew 1:25 and see what you find there. Yes, that`s right - JESUS is spelled in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS = Fiction!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13867753


I don't think I've ever read a more vile description of God in my entire life.

I couldn't care less if God is a He, a She, or an "IT".

God has the same feelings we do and I can't help but think you just hurt him/her tremendously with those words.

They were truly despicable.

Miggy
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I don't think God feels hurt. Maybe He thinks that some dudes take his side and defend Him ( although He doesn't need any defense).
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Green pin for Sunday Discussion!
Excellent Thread OP!
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Thank you very much my brother! hf