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A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

 
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If you look at any government issued ID, you will find the name always spelled in all UPPER CASE LETTERS - e.g. JOHN HENRY DOE

Have you not wondered why your government cannot use proper English grammar when dealing with names? There's a very good reason.
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Maybe Obama-Care is going to cut out our visits to the eye doctor and we'll all gradually lose our focus on reading small print.
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You ask atheists and non-religious people to come up with proof that god doesn't exist. Meanwhile you can't even prove that he exists.

wtf
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Who gives a damn about your "opinion"?

Holy Spirit Gave me HIS Witness while reading John ch 3 over 8yrs ago that "None who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True Heart, even as a child, will be lost or condemned"...

Doesn't matter what self-professed atheists "believe".
Doesn't matter what Christians who claim Christ "believe" or are "faithful" about regarding HIM.

What matters is do you KNOW The Father?
Have you Come Unto The Father and surrendered control over your life and free-will?


Think every human has been called by God?
Figure Billy Graham and all his Hebrews 12 Bastard ilk are the real deal? They're not.

Jesus Witnesses that HE Deliberately Chose NOT To Preach/Witness Plainly. Here, in Matthew ch 13:
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
**15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.**


16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.



Love God The Father and God The Son; do you?
Love HIM enough to Trust Father-God Fully with every aspect of your life and accept HIS Will for you over your own?


God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!
Until you Trust HIM enough to make your surrender, you don't Know anything about HIM...

What matters in the scope of your life is YOUR RELATIONSHIP With God, not what you rationalize God should be and do...


Self-will and resentment towards God are the causes of alienation and the so-called atheist perspective.


God The Father IS Very Real and soon all flesh that lives will KNOW this and that Christ Jesus IS Coming to Take Possession of this world. God's Angel of Rev 14:7 will Witness this to every human being. This will also mark the end of The Age Of Faith...

Only ONE WAY to Come Unto The Father... By Christ Jesus and through your faith and Love For HIM.


Most Christians are unable to Trust God Fully, so they don't. Jesus is cited twice in Scripture in Matt 7 and Luke 13 as Witnessing many will come to HIM asking admission but be told "Depart from ME you workers of iniquity, I KNOW you not!"...

You gonna be in that long-line with your fellow workers-of-iniquity unless you can Trust God Fully with your life and tell HIM so...
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Only ONE WAY to Know and Do "The Will Of MY Father WHO Dwelleth In Heaven"... By surrendering self and allowing God to Give you A New Heart Of HIS Flesh when you are Born-Again. From Ezekiel ch 36:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Only by having made your surrender are you Born-Again.

Can you witness/testify that you Know God and verse 27 above is True in your life? Oh well, maybe your heart is just "waxed gross"?

Most are.

Jesus Christ IS Coming, and soon!

Maranatha!!!
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You ask atheists and non-religious people to come up with proof that god doesn't exist. Meanwhile you can't even prove that he exists.

wtf
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The Religion of Atheism goes hand in hand with the Religion of Evolution and holds the belief that Life was not created by God and instead sprang forth by some magical random accidental natural processes. This magical process is their form of God, and it is totally illogical.

They frequently hide under the banner of Science when all they've done is hijack the label.
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Are there simply no more websites and/or forums that cater to people to want to talk religion?

It's almost like god destroyed them all and now poeople are flocking to a conspiracy website to argue for their religious views.

Does it all come down to evangicalism and trying to convert others in an opem forum, on your soap-box?

Not being a hater. Just can't wrap my head around why GLP has become a place where people come to argue over religion. You'd think that there was at least some other place out there in the web that would be better suited for Athiest Vs. Christian bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.rant
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You ask atheists and non-religious people to come up with proof that god doesn't exist. Meanwhile you can't even prove that he exists.

wtf
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The Religion of Atheism goes hand in hand with the Religion of Evolution and holds the belief that Life was not created by God and instead sprang forth by some magical random accidental natural processes. This magical process is their form of God, and it is totally illogical.

They frequently hide under the banner of Science when all they've done is hijack the label.
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1) Atheist: Who created God?

I hear this argument all the time! Atheist use this argument frequently to disprove the existence of God. I understand the argument, I do, but there are many flaws. First of all, the question "who created God?" ASSUMES that God is limited. It assumes that God has a beginning and will therefor have an end. But the God of the Bible doesn't have a limit, He doesn't have a beginning and an end. God was never created because He does not consist of the unaware created matter, but by the aware eternal spiritual energy. Besides, God can't have been created by someone else, because God by definition is FIRST, the reason of all cause! God was first. How on Earth's name can the first one be created? That's like asking "what letter comes before A?".


Your claim: Uncaused cause.
Your evidence: 0

THE CREATER COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED BECAUSE IN THAT CASE HE WOULDN'T BE THE CREATOR!

God is outside of His Creation. [..]


Your claim: Something can exist outside the universe.
Your evidence: 0

The universe must have an original cause!

Begging the question.
The universe could also be eternal. You don't know.

2) Atheist: God does not exist!

What some atheist said has no relevance to you not providing evidence for your claims.

3) Atheist: The existence of God is illogical.

If you think that it's illogical for God to exist, did you ever stop to think the same thing about yourself? Do you think it's logial for you to exist?


Yes.
Since I exist my existence is logically possible.
It is YOU who claims my origin is of a supernatural nature, NOT I.

4) Atheist: Can God create a rock so heavy He cannot lift it Himself? And if he can't lift it, he's not almighty.

God is so almighty that He can expand [..]


Your claim: God can do paradoxial things.
Your evidence: 0
(More special pleading.)

5) Atheist: Prove God!

Your claim, your burden of proof.

Atheists always demand God to appear Himself in front of their eyes

Irrational.
An apparition that claimed to be god would not be proof of god.

6) Atheist: I only believe in what I can see and touch.

Strawman lie.

I believe in things I can not see or touch.
They happen to be things for which existence strong evidence exists.

7) God is spiritual and is proved with spiritual methods.

HOW did you test the validity of these methods?

8) Logical proof of God.

Perfection in the Creation:


Begging the question.
I will outright state that reality is NOT perfect.

The quest for the meaning of life:

Humans always needs something to live for because it's not enough to just exist.


How is that evidence for gods.
It only says something about human nature.

The inner void:

How is that evidence for gods.
It only says something about human nature.

The personal experience of God:


How is that evidence for gods.
It only says something about human nature.

9) Einstein and Strindberg. Wise men!

Argument from authority.
What is their evidence?
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Does. Not. Work!


I'm a teacher. This is really good thinking and writing.
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When did logic get outlawed in America?


Probably the most well-known atheist of our time is Lee Strobel.
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Who says that? Lee Strobel?
Never heard of the guy before this year.

And again, argument from authority.
I don't care what people claim.
I only care what evidence they present.
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Long and Short of it is:

We love the lord and Saviour Jesus Christ with all of our Hearts, though we may struggle with the ways of the world.

You will not erode our Faith, or our love.

You will not take us down with you; you will suffer whatever fate awaits you without the benefit of our presence, and if it pleases you to do so, Godspeed.

We don't need you, but God Loves you and hopes you'll come home.

The endless circle arguments are just your attempts at eroding the special thing we have that you hate and hold in contempt. You can't win, and the tone in which your arguments are held reveal your spiteful, venomous nature.

It is appointed unto this dispensation that the world be carnal...we aren't going to change it or the people who participate in it. I don't like it, but if I did I wouldn't want Jesus Christ either.

You have chosen substitues for happiness and joy because you do not know better, and when it leaves you empty and bitter you will not understand what it is you are missing, because you lack perspective, wisdom, vision and big-picture thinking.

Not all Christians have this either, some just operate purely on faith alone...blessed, they are in their simplicity.

So, do what you like. See if you can find your happiness. I've found mine...we've found ours. My challenge to you is to be as happy and as joyous as we are...and if you can, mazeltov to you.

If you can't, maybe you should take council from those who have.
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CONTENTS:

1) christians: Who created God? christiantiy created their gods, messiahs, "holy" books and icons;

2) christians: God does not exist? "he" exists in our "holy" books and religious beliefs;

3) christians: The existence of God is illogical! Only our god is logical, all other religion's god's are illogical;

4) christians: Can God create a rock... christianity created our god;

5) christians: Prove God! Our blind faith is proof of our god;

6) christians: I only believe in what I can see and touch. We only believe in our blind faith and false promises of that faith, i.e. eternal life in heaven;

7) God is spiritual and is proved with spiritual methods.
christians: religion is Spiritual fraud and Spiritually worthless;

8) Logical proof of God. christians: Our religious dogmas are logical for us;

9) Einstein and Strindberg. Wise men! True(!)

Here you have your answers from a christian p.o.v.(~).

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The general definition is simply; "not believing in a God". This is what atheists believe, right? That's alright with me. You have a free mind and you get to choose whatever you want to believe in. I have no problem with that.
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Isn't it possible that some people believe in god, and some don't? I mean, why is it assumed that belief is always a choice; and that atheists are just not looking at this topic from the right perspective? For me, I just don't believe in god, and am not a christian. Though I have tried! I've read the bible, had lengthy discussions with christians, been to church, prayed; but have just not been able to garner up a belief. Does that mean that I need a label for my lack of belief? Probably not.

At this point, I'm not even sure what level of evidence would make me a believer. In fact, belief in god doesn't seem to be caused by evidence; but rather is caused by some phenomenon that I'm personally not able to tap into. (As per your point #7.)

What I'm trying to say is that you aren't likely to convert any atheists to christianity via this thread. But, I am glad that you've taken a peaceful and respectful approach.
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Instead they want to go where "atheists" are (I think christians use that word incorrectly to describe non-belief in general, which is false) and harangue the atheists into conversion.
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How true!! To them, ANYONE who disagrees with their dogma or belongs to a different cult than theirs, in their books, is automatically an "atheist." They are the perfect example of someone who is utterly and completely programmed/conditioned by the archons. Their minds are literally controlled by these mind parasites.
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Instead they want to go where "atheists" are (I think christians use that word incorrectly to describe non-belief in general, which is false) and harangue the atheists into conversion.
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How true!! To them, ANYONE who disagrees with their dogma or belongs to a different cult than theirs, in their books, is automatically an "atheist." They are the perfect example of someone who is utterly and completely programmed/conditioned by the archons. Their minds are literally controlled by these mind parasites.
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Hahaha the irony
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Now tell me friend...do you think electricity really has a soul or even conscience to think, feel or reflect about it's positive and negative actions and interaction..if No then why do you create a religion and institional hierarchal system that claims you need to serve and pray to it for some form of salvation?
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I think you're right...God is this "Electricity" with Polar opposites, each Pole existing at opposite ends of a spectrum, with the material world being in the center where negative and positive energies meet.

If negative energy is expressed as matter and positive energy is expressed as Ether, or spirit.

Conciousness, then would exist in it's purest form at the end of the spectrum as one ultimate unit of conciousness. Same is true of Love.

When spirit becomes trapped in matter, it cannot go back to the source with the matter attached.

+ x - = -

So you need to multiply it with another negative to turn it back into positive

- x + = +

This mathmatic expression manifests as Christ with crucifixion.

All life is energy expressed matmatically.
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Ancient suppressed knowledge says:

Spirit = THE ALL; the Infinite Living Mind. Spirit is the invisible, moveable, ever active
positive principle in motion.

Matter = is solidified spirit. It is the passive of negative principle.

Involution = The descent of spirit into matter; the transmutation of spirit into matter.

Evolution = Matter’s ascent/return to Spirit; the transmutation of matter back into spirit.

There are 4 Great Cycles/Ages of “human” evolution.

Golden Age = We were mostly spiritual in nature, very little matter.
= 720 Divine Years = 720 X 360 = 259,200 common years. – Pole Motion = 36 degrees


Silver Age = Less spiritual, more matter.
= 540 Divine Years = 540 X 360 = 194,400 common years - Pole Motion = 27 degrees

Copper Age = Ever less spiritual and more and more matter
= 360 Divine Years = 360 X 360 = 129,600 common years - Pole Motion = 18 degrees

Iron Age = Spirit is now in the dense, barbarial age/state of its involution (it is
now mostly matter), and became more and more gross until it reached the
very lowest point of the Iron Age and then began the evolution of matter back
to Spirit.
= 180 Divine Years = 180 X 360 = 64,800 common years - Pole Motion = 9 degrees

Total common years = 648,000 = 1,800 Divine Years

Total Pole Motion = 90 degrees = ¼ of the entire circle/spiral

Complete orbit of 360 degrees would take 1,800 Divine Years X 4 = 2,592,000 common years = 1 Polar Day
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There is no proof that god exists, its as simple as that.

You say thoughts don't exist, true, but I know a thought exists because "I can have a thought". Just because its a non physical manifestation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know it exists because I thought and experienced it.

God, on the other hand has never appeared to me, never gave any clue to gods existance, I have never experienced god. All you have is a book written over 2000 years by over 20 different human beings. Religion is a massive cult and nothing more. Have you ever experienced god?
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I HAVE miraculous healing in my body. I HAVE the experience of being born again and being filled with the Holy Spirit. We KNOW God while many do not!
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Yep, that's how the mind parasites (archons) work. They ooze love and light but are quite the opposite in reality. They can "appear" in any shape or form they like. Here are the 4 main types of mind control they use:

Mind Control Methods:

1 – Thought control – by implementing ideas, beliefs, thoughts and emotions.

2 – Spiritual Experiences – from meeting “angels”, “demons”, “guides” to “masters” and “advanced beings.”

3 – Religion – One of their most popular methods.

4 – Technology – Mostly based on “wavelength” technology – Vibrations. Sound and Radio waves are most common – too high or too low to be heard but still very effective for mind control. Light, sound, frequencies, vibrations are all very powerful tools to be used and abused to manipulate the mind.
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Stop pushing Einstein and other genius stuff into the thread, by God he means a superior being and not a religious almighty.

Our DNA is so complex that it doesn't mean an almighty God created us, but a superior being in other hand did.

Now please gtfo with your religious stuff into the real world.
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Who gives a damn about your "opinion"?

Holy Spirit Gave me HIS Witness while reading John ch 3 over 8yrs ago that "None who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True Heart, even as a child, will be lost or condemned"...

Doesn't matter what self-professed atheists "believe".
Doesn't matter what Christians who claim Christ "believe" or are "faithful" about regarding HIM.

What matters is do you KNOW The Father?
Have you Come Unto The Father and surrendered control over your life and free-will?


Think every human has been called by God?
Figure Billy Graham and all his Hebrews 12 Bastard ilk are the real deal? They're not.

Jesus Witnesses that HE Deliberately Chose NOT To Preach/Witness Plainly. Here, in Matthew ch 13:
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
**15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.**


16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.



Love God The Father and God The Son; do you?
Love HIM enough to Trust Father-God Fully with every aspect of your life and accept HIS Will for you over your own?


God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!
Until you Trust HIM enough to make your surrender, you don't Know anything about HIM...

What matters in the scope of your life is YOUR RELATIONSHIP With God, not what you rationalize God should be and do...


Self-will and resentment towards God are the causes of alienation and the so-called atheist perspective.


God The Father IS Very Real and soon all flesh that lives will KNOW this and that Christ Jesus IS Coming to Take Possession of this world. God's Angel of Rev 14:7 will Witness this to every human being. This will also mark the end of The Age Of Faith...

Only ONE WAY to Come Unto The Father... By Christ Jesus and through your faith and Love For HIM.


Most Christians are unable to Trust God Fully, so they don't. Jesus is cited twice in Scripture in Matt 7 and Luke 13 as Witnessing many will come to HIM asking admission but be told "Depart from ME you workers of iniquity, I KNOW you not!"...

You gonna be in that long-line with your fellow workers-of-iniquity unless you can Trust God Fully with your life and tell HIM so...
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Only ONE WAY to Know and Do "The Will Of MY Father WHO Dwelleth In Heaven"... By surrendering self and allowing God to Give you A New Heart Of HIS Flesh when you are Born-Again. From Ezekiel ch 36:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Only by having made your surrender are you Born-Again.

Can you witness/testify that you Know God and verse 27 above is True in your life? Oh well, maybe your heart is just "waxed gross"?

Most are.

Jesus Christ IS Coming, and soon!

Maranatha!!!
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More typcial godtard drivel.
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GOD is Truth and Truth is GOD.

Atheists are basically claiming that Truth does not exist.

Those that believe Truth exists are ignorant of Truth compared to those that know Truth exists.

But at least they are not as ignorant as those who claim that Truth does not exist.

That Truth is dead...long live the lie.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil
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Isn't truth that which we beLIEve to be true? Isn't something that is truth for you not necessarily truth for me? Example - You might say "The truth is, olives are very delicious." To that I would say - "You lie, they are the most horrible tasting things ever created." Your argument is faulty in that truth is relative and may vary according to the individual, the place, or time.

"Ignorance" (lack of knowledge) cannot possibly be evil by itself let alone the root of all evil. Talk about an ignorant statement!!

The love of money is the root of all evil.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"
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I can't see how anyone can willingly believe in a manufactured belief.
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Ah! That's just it - it is NOT "willingly" although they will tell you it is. They are victims of clever mind control tactics at the hands of the archons.

Mind Control Methods:

1 – Thought control – by implementing ideas, beliefs, thoughts and emotions.

2 – Spiritual Experiences – from meeting “angels”, “demons”, “guides” to “masters” and “advanced beings.”

3 – Religion – One of their most popular methods.

4 – Technology – Mostly based on “wavelength” technology – Vibrations. Sound and Radio waves are most common – too high or too low to be heard but still very effective for mind control. Light, sound, frequencies, vibrations are all very powerful tools to be used and abused to manipulate the mind.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Its not about the existence of God really. Its about the fact that a lot f Christian say that Christianity is the ONLY true religion, and everyone else is wrong, and going straight to hell.

The Bible is completely immoral - kill anyone who doesn't believe in your god, even entire cities, women are to be subservient to the man, and cant be teachers of any kind. Homosexuals would be put to death, rebellious children would be put to death, you need to kill your neighbor if you see him working on the sabbath, Slavery is an accepted institution, etc...

Not to mention all the error's, and plagiary in the Bible. Jesus has many similarities to other Gods. The story of the Great Flood is taken from the epic of gilgamesh... So on and so forth.

Im agnostic.
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What exactly would you expect ? What religion would not think/say that they are right ? Typical straw man argument.
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Straw men are fiction - fiction CANNOT argue
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
You are so right. In Genesis Chapter One we are introduced to an entity known only as `God.` We see this entity mentioned again in Gen 5:2. In Gen. 2:4 we`re introduced to this damn wanna be, psychopathic, murderous entity known as `the LORD God.` This is NOT the same god as in Genesis Chapter One!! In law, anything that appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is fiction!! What does that tell you about YHWH, LORD, etc.,? They`re all FICTION!! Now go to Mathew 1:25 and see what you find there. Yes, that`s right - JESUS is spelled in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS = Fiction!!
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I don't think I've ever read a more vile description of God in my entire life.

I couldn't care less if God is a He, a She, or an "IT".

God has the same feelings we do and I can't help but think you just hurt him/her tremendously with those words.

They were truly despicable.

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You know absolutely nothing about me so ditch the judgmental attitude. This crap called religion has severely damaged my psyche. I have every right to lash out in anger. Once you've walked a mile in my shoes, then and only then do you have the right to judge me.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
If you look at any government issued ID, you will find the name always spelled in all UPPER CASE LETTERS - e.g. JOHN HENRY DOE

Have you not wondered why your government cannot use proper English grammar when dealing with names? There's a very good reason.
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Maybe Obama-Care is going to cut out our visits to the eye doctor and we'll all gradually lose our focus on reading small print.
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You just proved the adage - "Ignorance is bliss."
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
#7 is a key point and what I consider the ultimate atheist copout.

They try to use natural 'scientific' means to explain the supernatural, when we fully know they never can. Only the supernatural can explain the supernatural.

This is a great summary. And regardless of what others may say I have been to 'reason' seminars and these are extremely typical of atheists and their arguments. ESPECIALLY at the universities.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
What nonsense is that?

Things that have not been shown to exist do not require an explanation.

To them, ANYONE who disagrees with their dogma or belongs to a different cult than theirs, in their books, is automatically an "atheist."
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Technically true.
They'd be atheistic about at least one god.
Most people are atheistic about most gods.
(With possible exception of the Hindus.)
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I'm an atheist. The statements in the OP don't reflect my views. I'm not interested in having a debate, but for those who would like to understand atheism better (or at least my view of atheism; it's certainly not the only one), I offer the following:

1) Atheist: Who created God?

It doesn't make any sense to me to ask who created something that doesn't exist.

A word about what the "universe" is: it's everything that exists, but the concept says nothing about how it's structured (dimensions, branes, etc). Which means, the universe has always existed. It had no beginning and will have no end; it does not need a creator. To say a creator exists outside the universe is to say it exists outside of existence--which is a contradiction.

2) Atheist: God does not exist?

Through the wonderful power of the human mind, I don't need to know everything to know something doesn't exist. I haven't seen every square ever created, but I know none of them have only three sides. I haven't known every man ever born, but I know they are all mortal. Humans are capable of understanding the world around us, and one thing we can say for sure is that contradictions can't exist.

3) Atheist: The existence of God is illogical!

Human existence is perfectly logical. We may not understand each and every step for how life evolved and how we got here, but so what? I'm willing to live with some uncertainty, because I know I have the capability to understand.

When I look at a flower or a tree or a human, what I see is the awesomeness of what has happened as a result billions of years of evolution; of trial-and-error at the molecular level on such an immense scale. That's much more inspiring to me than the idea that it was designed by some all-powerful being.

4) Atheist: Can God create a rock...

I would never say this. Something that doesn't exist can't create anything.

5) Atheist: Prove God!

I would never ask this. You can't prove something that doesn't exist.

6) Atheist: I only believe in what I can see and touch.

How can you possibly *know* that God exists "outside of time" or "outside of the universe"?

The only way humans know anything about the world around us is through our senses. We then integrate and process those sensory inputs into ideas and concepts (which we can then process into other ideas). Ideas and other things that I can't see or touch do exist; they're real, and I "believe in them."

When it comes down to it, the only way to believe in something that doesn't exist is either from a cultural base ("church is fun"), or thorough conditioning (usually starting in childhood), or based on feeling; on emotion. The truth is that it's impossible to know anything about the world based on emotion. Emotions are a response, a secondary, not a primary. I believe the idea that you can learn things about the world through emotion is the fundamental place that many atheists and religionists differ.

7) God is spiritual and is proved with spiritual methods.

How do you know about other spiritual things? As I said above, the only way to know anything is by processing your sensory inputs using your mind. We can know and understand many "spiritual" things with material methods--things like the nature of love and happiness, for example.

8) Logical proof of God.

Everything you described here also has an explanation that does not require supernatural intervention.

What humans "want" or "need" has no bearing on how the universe works. It does, however, influence the structure of our belief systems.

BTW, the word "supernatural" is a contradiction. Everything that exists is part of nature, and is therefore natural.

9) Einstein and Strindberg. Wise men!

Arguments from authority mean nothing to me.
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...well the circle be unbroken by and by Lord by and by... Is there BEGINNING or an END to circle?
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

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This life is a test, men are allowed free agency, forces of nature are also set in motion, God only intervenes through faith, and very often through the actions of human beings, but they still have the freedom and choice of whether to heed his call to duty, the call of compassion and service to our fellow man. Paraphrasing a saying I have heard that fits this, actually I will quote the exact saying to distill the thought down to a crystalized, coherent statement: "Sometimes I want to ask God why He allows poverty, famine and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might just aks me the same question". I will also add, natural calamity is set in motion to see how we will react and whether we will help our brothers and sisters, and to give us an opportunity to grow in that capacity to do good, or on the other hand, to prove that we are worthy of far less than this world has to offer us. Every heartache, disability, disappointment, etc. will carry the opposite natural blessing affixed to it in the afterlife, we do not suffer in vain unless the suffering involves sin.
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Ops... I was going to start my statement with a question Now here it is again *WILL* the circle be unbroken by and by Lord by and by... A circle HAS no BEGINNING NOR END
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

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This life is a test, men are allowed free agency, forces of nature are also set in motion, God only intervenes through faith, and very often through the actions of human beings, but they still have the freedom and choice of whether to heed his call to duty, the call of compassion and service to our fellow man. Paraphrasing a saying I have heard that fits this, actually I will quote the exact saying to distill the thought down to a crystalized, coherent statement: "Sometimes I want to ask God why He allows poverty, famine and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might just ask me the same question". I will also add, natural calamity is set in motion to see how we will react and whether we will help our brothers and sisters, and to give us an opportunity to grow in that capacity to do good, or on the other hand, to prove that we are worthy of far less than this world has to offer us. Every heartache, disability, disappointment, etc. will carry the opposite natural blessing affixed to it in the afterlife, we do not suffer in vain unless the suffering involves sin.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
OP you've got #6 wrong, in fact you as a person can hear and feel your thoughts because a thought is an electrical impulse from within your body which can be heard by only your ears and felt by only your body