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A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

 
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Claims and bare assertions heaped upon claims and bare assertions.

Still no evidence in sight.

And don't blame other people for not buying into your woowoo.
You not being able to satisfy their perfectly reasonable standards of evidence is not their fault.
The fact that you can't only betrays how credulous theists are.
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It's nice to see mature responses for once but I would love to hear a few replies from some atheists and what your opinion is about this. I do make a few good points in my first post right?
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Claims and bare assertions heaped upon claims and bare assertions.

Still no evidence in sight.

And don't blame other people for not buying into your woowoo.
You not being able to satisfy their perfectly reasonable standards of evidence is not their fault.
The fact that you can't only betrays how credulous theists are.
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As I have said elsewhere, "Proof only comes after your faith has been tested and found not lacking, really all things denote there is a God, the stars, the heavens, the planets that move in their organized orbit, all the intricate and most profound complexity and efficiency of design found in every living creature, every geologic process, every bit of quantum physics demonstrated and infinitely laid out in the Universe for man to discover and try to understand, and you say you lack proof, well then, I cannot help you sir".
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Still no evidence in sight.
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Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

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Didnt read the thread but in any event I shall post the following.... bsflag
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....I see many broken hearts here,,, shredded torn apart by deep grieving scars. Each and every one of you here "Atheist" knows that God Jehovah is real... Jesus Christ was hurt in all depth of the human heart... my hands tremble when I type for everyword I tpye will be accountable for,, Do you know Jesus knows the grieves and sorrows you've carried... Jesus hasn't forgotten you,,, he carries the nail scars wthinin the palms of both his hands Know the 7 virtures of Jesus? Letting go of all heartbreaks is the beginning of setting ones heart free.... Forgiven, letting go of heartbreaks... Letting not anger rule you is the beginning of understanding these virtres... enough said for now ....will the circle be unbroken by and by Lord by and by.... The circle of God is complete: Here is a prayerfor you all Dear Jesus, I've been torn apart by all means of the heart You understand me more than I know myself, please help me in all sorrow heartbreaks of my life Thank you Jesus, I ask these things in your name amen.
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For me, my hands tremble for I know the eternal part of you all is the soul of you Let me give a testimony here I was doing the work of a witness... their was a women filled with terrible hate and grief...she started to violently push me around... my shoulder is still hurting over this... Jesus helped me, saved me, through another person to stop this women from beating attacking me ...when I looked into her eyes there was sorrow for her anger over me and the recognitin of feeling Jesus within me I forgave her I will always let the virture of Gods love RULE my heart Jesus will help you in all areas of your life Remember once again, and be saved for today is the day of salvation! Here now No long dialog...
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Still no evidence in sight.
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Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527

What evidence?

You guys just keep repeating the same load of claims and logical fallacies.
You considering it evidence does not make it evidence.
You considering it evidence makes you irrational.

Honestly, why can't you just admit that what you have is faith, not something that is evidence based?
Claiming the latter is preposterous.
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Still no evidence in sight.
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Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

book
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527

What evidence?

You guys just keep repeating the same load of claims and logical fallacies.
You considering it evidence does not make it evidence.
You considering it evidence makes you irrational.

Honestly, why can't you just admit that what you have is faith, not something that is evidence based?
Claiming the latter is preposterous.
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Who said there was evidence ?
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Still no evidence in sight.
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Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

book
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527

What evidence?

You guys just keep repeating the same load of claims and logical fallacies.
You considering it evidence does not make it evidence.
You considering it evidence makes you irrational.

Honestly, why can't you just admit that what you have is faith, not something that is evidence based?
Claiming the latter is preposterous.
book
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I know this isn't my thread... but still... Halycyon, Do you to WANT say the salvation prayer? We can right now! You can be saved RIGHT now Jesus is standing beside He is waiting for you... to return home for a soul that has been lost and alone so very a long... long time....
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...well, I waited Jesus for a reply. I've got to get some work done for my time is important Here is the GREAT church of God website www.churchofgod.og The church that speaks the whole truths of the word of God Goodday to all glpers
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Isn't truth that which we beLIEve to be true? Isn't something that is truth for you not necessarily truth for me? Example - You might say "The truth is, olives are very delicious." To that I would say - "You lie, they are the most horrible tasting things ever created." Your argument is faulty in that truth is relative and may vary according to the individual, the place, or time.
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The "Olives" in your example are still very much real and there, no matter who likes or dislikes them.

The Truth is not relative.

Stop trying to rationalize what reality best suits you and your current lifestyle, and open your heart to Jesus Christ, you will know first-hand how real and absolute He is.
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Christians vs. atheists.....who freaking cares.....both have it wrong and neither is willing to learn so again I ask, who freaking cares....Two tiny little groups of people who were left behind in spiritual discussion long long ago.

Here's a conspiracy thought for you, why do christians try so hard to proselytize atheists when they are told specifically that this is not their responsibility? A christian is never responsible for conversion if they bother going by their own holy book. Instead they are only ever asked to spread the message to each and every living person ONCE. After that, it's supposed to be in the hands of their god. You are not responsible for slowly changing the mind of an atheist by arguing with them over a period of months or years.

Only that's NEVER the end of it. Instead they want to go where "atheists" are (I think christians use that word incorrectly to describe non-belief in general, which is false) and harangue the atheists into conversion.
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For you, AC. THIS is why a person is to proselytize- though I agree, once is enough.



And incidentally I'd rather be locked in a room arguing this issue with an Atheist than a Catholic. I have honestly tried to figure out Catholicism and it just doesn't make sense to me. How can the sprinkling of Holy Water on your head when you can't even speak yet save you for all eternity?

Yet that's what I hear way too often when this issue comes up in a group that includes both Christians and Catholics.
And as for last rites and confession? Well..... sigh.

I am not JUDGING, I promise. I simply don't understand it.

At least I understand the arguments of Agnostics and Atheists.

I'm going to keep trying though if only because I believe there are FAR MORE Catholics out there (and I'm talking about very kind, loving and good people) than Atheists.
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I am going to take a diversion to this discussion since things are heating up. The whole paradigm of believing or not believing does not matter. It would be more elevating if one did believe there is more than just this plane of existence however, we are more than this flesh and bones. We are consciousness and that is soul and we all have a soul to bring forth memories and feelings and intuition. Whether we choose to acknowledge that, doesn't matter because it is ongoing and we don't have to delineate it, analyze it or make sense of it.

My input here has absolutely nothing to do with religion or how you were raised to think or what your inner rebellion is. What I am going to share will blow your socks off and I will only touch upon this very lightly like a feather because it would take years of study to enlighten the mind and then, it would take an open belief system and then, it would take the experience of it, which we all will not know until we cross over.

First, I pose a question to the posters who claim atheism because they only believe what they touch and see. Do you see the workings of electricity when you turn the lights on? Do you understand the radio waves or Television waves coming to your entertainment? They are invisible.

If we base otherworldly reality on what we can see from this vantage point, we are missing out of the entire game.

The human body is run by an electromagnetic field. Do we see that? Maybe some do when they see aura but that is only a speck of it. DNA is run by a quantum force which exists outside of the body in a consciousness field. Its like we have to plug in to run the toaster.

Now for the interesting part. God is not an it or a being. God is a force, a wave of consciousness that will never be known until it is felt and it is felt at different levels and different intensities, higher planes, dimensions ( mansions if you will for Christian thinking), and densities.

There is a Science all beings of all Universes believe. It is called Keylontic Science and it contains everything you may want to know about how things are run in the Universal Unified Field. It is the grandfather of Physics and Newton only was given a smidge of it.

There are templates and units of consciousness energy that run at certain vibrations. We refer to them as Standing waves of Partiki units and that begins the entire ballgame. There is Anti Matter and Ante-matter and once that is learned and understood, even though it is beyond visuals, the crux of Creation begins to take form. Very comprehensive
but utterly fascinating. There are Grids that are the fabric of the morphogenetic field structure and out of that frequency bands that are syncronized to flash on and off within the grid to determine a vibrating oscillating wave and are created that make up dimensions.

Keylons are crystallized frozen light and they are standing scalar wave patterns that have fixed points of tonal frequency and then there are Keylon codes which are complex groupings of keylons forming templates of light spectra, sound frequency and electromagnetism which creates blueprints, YOUR spiritual blueprints.

The human body is dense matter we know, but it is a construct of conscious energy, a living morphogenetic field that lives within a greater morphogenetic field. Just to blow some minds: lets go from a field of species to planetary to galactic, to universal to cosmic. We are sentient consciousness that can tap into all of it. In this world, all particles, atoms, molecules and physical systems are built upon them.

So everything is a wave oscillating at different vibrational tones. That is what makes up all. Right now we live in a 3rd dimension ( very low ) in a Density 1 Universe. We aspire to reach higher planes of consciousness by doing one basic thing which is why ALL of us are here. To raise our frequencies. We are trapped, held hostage in a reincarnational wheel that was not created by our Creator but by a fallen angelic agenda.

If we plan on focusing our energy on if there is a God or not we have missed the brass ring. That thought process also was created by a fallen agenda. So both sides of this discussion have some truth. To break out of that mold is the question. Oh, and by the way, the word God was used by fallen gods. The Creator of All is a magnificent wave of energy and that energy is revered by all sentient beings in all Universes and they call that energy The Eternal Kryst of First Creation. Kryst sounds like Christ with a short sounding i. Fallen agenda messed with that too. If any of this resonates or pushes your remember buttons go on and learn more. Keylontic Science is precise and has been available for civilizations to learn. Every avatar including Jesus studied this and taught it. But it won't be in any Bible because the Bible was written by those who fell from grace. They gave just a bit of the truth and alot of distortion. Like our history books. Like our politics. Like our medical information. Like our Food supply.

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Type in Kathara, Keylontic Science, Voyagers Vol 1 and 2 by Ashayana Deane.
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For me, my hands tremble for I know the eternal part of you all is the soul of you Let me give a testimony here I was doing the work of a witness... their was a women filled with terrible hate and grief...she started to violently push me around... my shoulder is still hurting over this... Jesus helped me, saved me, through another person to stop this women from beating attacking me ...when I looked into her eyes there was sorrow for her anger over me and the recognitin of feeling Jesus within me I forgave her I will always let the virture of Gods love RULE my heart Jesus will help you in all areas of your life Remember once again, and be saved for today is the day of salvation! Here now No long dialog...
 Quoting: The Light of God~~~ 15564470


And this woman..carrying the deep wounds..lashing out like an animal in a trap..in agony..crying for release..unable to see through the pain...

IS GOD GOING TOP BURN HER ALIVE FOREVER..if she never gets free from the pain?

IF so...

FUCK YOUR GOD>.he is there only to make things WORSE..not better.
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And before you respond, Jesus was an avatar, a messenger of very high dimensional frequency. He came for reasons we never were taught about just to throw us off game.

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I don't think God feels hurt. Maybe He thinks that some dudes take his side and defend Him ( although He doesn't need any defense).
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Oh, I do, AC.

He created them.

We definitely know of the agonizing pain He felt when His son was tortured.

If He felt that so deeply I can't believe he doesn't also feel the pain of those he created out of pure love.

Then there are many time he's felt betrayed by those he's loved so much.

I believe he has a tremendous sense of humor- from what I've experienced with Him, anyway.

I could go on but you get my point.

One day soon we will feel His wrath.
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Are there simply no more websites and/or forums that cater to people to want to talk religion?

It's almost like god destroyed them all and now poeople are flocking to a conspiracy website to argue for their religious views.

Does it all come down to evangicalism and trying to convert others in an opem forum, on your soap-box?

Not being a hater. Just can't wrap my head around why GLP has become a place where people come to argue over religion. You'd think that there was at least some other place out there in the web that would be better suited for Athiest Vs. Christian bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.rant
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AC,

I understand your frustration but what I think happens is similar to my story:

I was googling a word like "God" or "Christ-like" or "like God" and guess what popped up on the first page of Hits?

When I began to read I thought, "Cool site!"

It contained all kinds of subject matter I'm interested in.

Sorry we sometimes bring up God but wouldn't you call this very thread controversial?
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Oh really now!! Read Exodus 15:3!!

"The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his name." KJV

What do you not understand about the words "man" and "his?"

man = male/masculine

his = male/masculine

In fact, all the god damn biblical gods are MALE. Creation does NOT work that way. The biblical god is nothing more than a great big wanna be and a ruthless, cruel bully.
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God is spirit. Spirit has no gender. The only use gender has it to procreate, and since spirit isn't going around having babies, there is no gender. Use whatever pronoun you want. Even the bible says God created us in his image but my wifes image is female, therefore Gods image to her is female.
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yes but bible god is not always God. It can't be, look at exodus 21 and you'll see the difference between them.
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You are so right. In Genesis Chapter One we are introduced to an entity known only as `God.` We see this entity mentioned again in Gen 5:2. In Gen. 2:4 we`re introduced to this damn wanna be, psychopathic, murderous entity known as `the LORD God.` This is NOT the same god as in Genesis Chapter One!! In law, anything that appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is fiction!! What does that tell you about YHWH, LORD, etc.,? They`re all FICTION!! Now go to Mathew 1:25 and see what you find there. Yes, that`s right - JESUS is spelled in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS = Fiction!!
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Obnoxious.

Hebrew and Aramaic do not have uppercase and lowercase. Koine Greek had only uppercase until the introduction of lowercase (miniscule) in the 10th century.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Extant early biblical manuscripts predating the 10th century show no special letter case for the names YHVH and Jesus.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Furthermore, take a look at what U.S. courts have ruled regarding names in all capital letters.

[link to www.adl.org]
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Probably the most well-known atheist of our time is Lee Strobel.
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Who says that? Lee Strobel?
Never heard of the guy before this year.

And again, argument from authority.
I don't care what people claim.
I only care what evidence they present.
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You didn't even read the link, did you? In one page it told you what pain-staking lengths the guy went to in order to prove there IS NO GOD!

He wanted to be known as the one guy to finally settle this matter once and for all.

In the end, he was not only convinced that there IS a God but became one of His strongest believers.
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What nonsense is that?

Things that have not been shown to exist do not require an explanation.

To them, ANYONE who disagrees with their dogma or belongs to a different cult than theirs, in their books, is automatically an "atheist."
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Technically true.
They'd be atheistic about at least one god.
Most people are atheistic about most gods.
(With possible exception of the Hindus.)
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You fail to leave room for Spiritualist. And where do Gnostics fit in?
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How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

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This life is a test, men are allowed free agency, forces of nature are also set in motion, God only intervenes through faith, and very often through the actions of human beings, but they still have the freedom and choice of whether to heed his call to duty, the call of compassion and service to our fellow man. Paraphrasing a saying I have heard that fits this, actually I will quote the exact saying to distill the thought down to a crystalized, coherent statement: "Sometimes I want to ask God why He allows poverty, famine and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might just aks me the same question". I will also add, natural calamity is set in motion to see how we will react and whether we will help our brothers and sisters, and to give us an opportunity to grow in that capacity to do good, or on the other hand, to prove that we are worthy of far less than this world has to offer us. Every heartache, disability, disappointment, etc. will carry the opposite natural blessing affixed to it in the afterlife, we do not suffer in vain unless the suffering involves sin.
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I see the archons got to you in a BIG way.

"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor." -William C. Easttom II
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Still no evidence in sight.
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Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

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The Source of all Creation/Infinite First Consciousness/Unconditional Love is a form of energy. FFS energy is NOT A FUCKIN "HE!!!" Why do you insist on portraying God as a masculine being? I think that's another very good reason why many refuse to accept your dogma. For Creation to exist there has to be BOTH male and female energy but you constantly insist our Infinite Creator is a male entity. YOU FAIL!!
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....I see many broken hearts here,,, shredded torn apart by deep grieving scars. Each and every one of you here "Atheist" knows that God Jehovah is real... Jesus Christ was hurt in all depth of the human heart... my hands tremble when I type for everyword I tpye will be accountable for,, Do you know Jesus knows the grieves and sorrows you've carried... Jesus hasn't forgotten you,,, he carries the nail scars wthinin the palms of both his hands Know the 7 virtures of Jesus? Letting go of all heartbreaks is the beginning of setting ones heart free.... Forgiven, letting go of heartbreaks... Letting not anger rule you is the beginning of understanding these virtres... enough said for now ....will the circle be unbroken by and by Lord by and by.... The circle of God is complete: Here is a prayerfor you all Dear Jesus, I've been torn apart by all means of the heart You understand me more than I know myself, please help me in all sorrow heartbreaks of my life Thank you Jesus, I ask these things in your name amen.
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The archons did a good job on you too. What a pity.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Still no evidence in sight.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Any evidence for God you are presented with, you will automatically dismiss because you do not want to find him.

If you are shown evidence, you will automatically say "There must be a "scientific" explanation for this because I know God can't exist."

I imagine, for a Pseudo-Skeptic such as yourself, it would basically mean you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Hmmmm... I wonder if you're actually reviewing the evidence objectively?

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What evidence?

You guys just keep repeating the same load of claims and logical fallacies.
You considering it evidence does not make it evidence.
You considering it evidence makes you irrational.

Honestly, why can't you just admit that what you have is faith, not something that is evidence based?
Claiming the latter is preposterous.
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I know this isn't my thread... but still... Halycyon, Do you to WANT say the salvation prayer? We can right now! You can be saved RIGHT now Jesus is standing beside He is waiting for you... to return home for a soul that has been lost and alone so very a long... long time....
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Many of us so called "atheists" have been there, done that, and finally had our eyes opened and Graduated!! Somehow many of us managed to rid our minds of the archons (mind parasites). There is no turning back for me.

Mind Control Methods:

1 – Thought control – by implementing ideas, beliefs, thoughts and emotions.

2 – Spiritual Experiences – from meeting “angels”, “demons”, “guides” to “masters” and “advanced beings.”

3 – Religion – One of their most popular methods.

4 – Technology – Mostly based on “wavelength” technology – Vibrations. Sound and Radio waves are most common – too high or too low to be heard but still very effective for mind control. Light, sound, frequencies, vibrations are all very powerful tools to be used and abused to manipulate the mind.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Isn't truth that which we beLIEve to be true? Isn't something that is truth for you not necessarily truth for me? Example - You might say "The truth is, olives are very delicious." To that I would say - "You lie, they are the most horrible tasting things ever created." Your argument is faulty in that truth is relative and may vary according to the individual, the place, or time.
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The "Olives" in your example are still very much real and there, no matter who likes or dislikes them.

The Truth is not relative.

Stop trying to rationalize what reality best suits you and your current lifestyle, and open your heart to Jesus Christ, you will know first-hand how real and absolute He is.
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Like I said - I've been there, done that, Graduated!! I know all about your fictional jesus. I learned all about this crap in Sunday School. I am no longer in any need for man-made religion/s. And what the hell do you know about my life-style? And yes, Truth IS relative whether you agree or not and you know it.

Opposites are identical in nature, only different in degree.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Thread: Kent Hovind. Spread the word.
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i haven't read the thread, but, i usually ask an atheist this question: "what if you're wrong?"

then they ask me the same thing back.

and, i say, "well, if I'm wrong, i have lived a virtuous life of faith, persevering toward good, practicing healthy character traits and then died satisfied and happy and became compost. I have lost nothing.

If you are wrong, you may or may not have lived a virtuous life, because life is complete absurdity and it doesn't really matter anyway. You may or may not have practiced healthy character traits for no other reason than to better yourself, but it doesn't matter anyway, because after you die you believe its to the worms anyway!

you may or may not have died satisfied and happy, but then you meet God face-to-face and realize that you wasted your entire physical life without a relationship with the Most High God and all of important life lessons you needed in the next life (which you will need to learn before you can advance onward to heaven - could take aeons, and includes intense weeping, gnashing of teeth, and total humiliation.

If you remain an atheist at this point, not believing anything that is right in front of your face, then you get to die again. This time, it's forever.

You have lost everything"

<end scene, fade to black>
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I am going to take a diversion to this discussion since things are heating up. The whole paradigm of believing or not believing does not matter. It would be more elevating if one did believe there is more than just this plane of existence however, we are more than this flesh and bones. We are consciousness and that is soul and we all have a soul to bring forth memories and feelings and intuition. Whether we choose to acknowledge that, doesn't matter because it is ongoing and we don't have to delineate it, analyze it or make sense of it.

My input here has absolutely nothing to do with religion or how you were raised to think or what your inner rebellion is. What I am going to share will blow your socks off and I will only touch upon this very lightly like a feather because it would take years of study to enlighten the mind and then, it would take an open belief system and then, it would take the experience of it, which we all will not know until we cross over.

First, I pose a question to the posters who claim atheism because they only believe what they touch and see. Do you see the workings of electricity when you turn the lights on? Do you understand the radio waves or Television waves coming to your entertainment? They are invisible.

If we base otherworldly reality on what we can see from this vantage point, we are missing out of the entire game.

The human body is run by an electromagnetic field. Do we see that? Maybe some do when they see aura but that is only a speck of it. DNA is run by a quantum force which exists outside of the body in a consciousness field. Its like we have to plug in to run the toaster.

Now for the interesting part. God is not an it or a being. God is a force, a wave of consciousness that will never be known until it is felt and it is felt at different levels and different intensities, higher planes, dimensions ( mansions if you will for Christian thinking), and densities.

There is a Science all beings of all Universes believe. It is called Keylontic Science and it contains everything you may want to know about how things are run in the Universal Unified Field. It is the grandfather of Physics and Newton only was given a smidge of it.

There are templates and units of consciousness energy that run at certain vibrations. We refer to them as Standing waves of Partiki units and that begins the entire ballgame. There is Anti Matter and Ante-matter and once that is learned and understood, even though it is beyond visuals, the crux of Creation begins to take form. Very comprehensive
but utterly fascinating. There are Grids that are the fabric of the morphogenetic field structure and out of that frequency bands that are syncronized to flash on and off within the grid to determine a vibrating oscillating wave and are created that make up dimensions.

Keylons are crystallized frozen light and they are standing scalar wave patterns that have fixed points of tonal frequency and then there are Keylon codes which are complex groupings of keylons forming templates of light spectra, sound frequency and electromagnetism which creates blueprints, YOUR spiritual blueprints.

The human body is dense matter we know, but it is a construct of conscious energy, a living morphogenetic field that lives within a greater morphogenetic field. Just to blow some minds: lets go from a field of species to planetary to galactic, to universal to cosmic. We are sentient consciousness that can tap into all of it. In this world, all particles, atoms, molecules and physical systems are built upon them.

So everything is a wave oscillating at different vibrational tones. That is what makes up all. Right now we live in a 3rd dimension ( very low ) in a Density 1 Universe. We aspire to reach higher planes of consciousness by doing one basic thing which is why ALL of us are here. To raise our frequencies. We are trapped, held hostage in a reincarnational wheel that was not created by our Creator but by a fallen angelic agenda.

If we plan on focusing our energy on if there is a God or not we have missed the brass ring. That thought process also was created by a fallen agenda. So both sides of this discussion have some truth. To break out of that mold is the question. Oh, and by the way, the word God was used by fallen gods. The Creator of All is a magnificent wave of energy and that energy is revered by all sentient beings in all Universes and they call that energy The Eternal Kryst of First Creation. Kryst sounds like Christ with a short sounding i. Fallen agenda messed with that too. If any of this resonates or pushes your remember buttons go on and learn more. Keylontic Science is precise and has been available for civilizations to learn. Every avatar including Jesus studied this and taught it. But it won't be in any Bible because the Bible was written by those who fell from grace. They gave just a bit of the truth and alot of distortion. Like our history books. Like our politics. Like our medical information. Like our Food supply.

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Type in Kathara, Keylontic Science, Voyagers Vol 1 and 2 by Ashayana Deane.
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Scientists will admit that, that which they can see with the naked eye only represents about 4% of the total. The other 96% is known as dark or black energy (nothing to do with evil!!). The same holds true for our physical body - that which we "see" is a mere 4 % of who and what we truly are. Why people don't understand that everything is energy; magnetic and electrical, is beyond me.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I don't think God feels hurt. Maybe He thinks that some dudes take his side and defend Him ( although He doesn't need any defense).
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Oh, I do, AC.

He created them.

We definitely know of the agonizing pain He felt when His son was tortured.

If He felt that so deeply I can't believe he doesn't also feel the pain of those he created out of pure love.

Then there are many time he's felt betrayed by those he's loved so much.

I believe he has a tremendous sense of humor- from what I've experienced with Him, anyway.

I could go on but you get my point.

One day soon we will feel His wrath.
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That's your problem - you insist on the Infinite First Consciousness (energy) as having human attributes. Utter nonsense.