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A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

 
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im not an atheist because of any of those arguments,i was brought up a christian but slowly i came to put my "faith" in science,if i break a leg i trust science and go to the hospital,if one of my kids is sick likewise.i turn on the switch and the lights come on,sit here typing on the lap top and ya'll can read it!sure i believe what "scientists" tell me even if i don't understand it but my life experience has shown me that doing so is usually the safest course,as in when my mum had a big stomach op last year,nearly died,i have no idea what the surgeons did but now shes fine.i've never had any experience to show me that god exists,gives a shit about me,the world,anything let alone should be worshiped,in fact ive never got how a being so intelligent could be so spiteful!but anyway!
im no great scholar and don't expect to be able to make any christians see why i think what i do,its just my two pennies worth..for what its worth!
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your mom got sick and you call God spitful? hey we are humans weare meant to die,what you think people live forever? you want eternity in Heaven you beleive.your going to live for eternity weather you like it or not the question is Heaven or Hell.God never showed you he cared? prove it!!! How do you know maybe he saved you or your mom,maybe he helped you find your wife,maybe he gave you something that made you happy or do you beleive you gave yourself those things you are your own God? God doesnt come down and hand you stuff on a silver platter nor should he,he doesnt have to prove anything to you or anyone else,its your job to prove to him you are worthy to be in his Heaven not the other way around.if your mom doesnt beleve you might want to get her beleiving soon just in case God does exist you wouldnt want to take that chance that she goes somewhere that she doesnt want to be.Man it never fails how you people want the one who created you t prove something to you like you are special,no you prove to him that you deserve is forgiveness.One day when you are in Hell and wishing you had one minute on Earth to ask god for forgiveness it will suck,because once you die theres no hope for you.Get over yourself and your ego.
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no no no hold up there,i dont think gods spiteful because my mum got sick i think he is because of what the bible says about him but its by the by,sorry if thats how it sounded,it certainly wasn't what i ment you see,i dont believe in god,do you get it?i dont think im special and he should prove his existence to me,that was my whole point,i dont think he's there!im not "you people"im a person giving my point of view on a thread asking for it.as i said its just what i think for what its worth.i do however love how you people hide your snide comments inside concern for our eternal souls,brilliant you actually managed to sound condecending,cocky,rude and christian all in one go
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
You can BELIEVE whatever you like. Any God can be BELIEVED in. Humans are very good at making up Gods to BELIEVE in.

However, none of these made-up Gods have ever turned out to actually exist, because, like Santa Claus, they were made-up.

The Christian God is no exception. Just another made-up God.

Unless you (or it) can prove he exists.

Without PROOF it is just another BELIEF in an imaginary mythological God.

Thus, until BELIEVERS can produce PROOF that their BELIEFS are not DELUSIONS the atheists will always have the better arguments, and will ultimately win.

QED.

God is bullshit born of fear and ignorance.
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Isnt that the point you have to have faith? wouldnt it be better to beleive in God and have faith like the Bible ask you to? what if God does exist and seeing you had no faith you do end up in Hell? why not just beleive its not hard and live right? then if God does exist you get rewarded and if god doent exist then you didnt lose anything. to me it seems most people live right,descent lives so the onlything that would keep you out of Heaven is your faith that Jesus died on the cross for your sins.and in that case itseems to be ego that keeps people from beleiving in Go, they seem like i would hurt their pride if they were to beleie in a higher power han themselves.so you live right,you have faith hat there has got to be something bigger than this life you beleive that theson of God died for your sins so you can go to Heaven.simple.wouldnt it suck to olive life good be a nice person etc... then go to hell becase you had no Faith in the one who created you?just do it beleive in God have bind faith, if hes not there big deal but if he is there then you will have eternity in paradise.
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You can't me make believe in something that doesn't seem believable to me. If I ask you to believe in the tooth fairy would you be able to?
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I think most Christians are delving too deeply into the why's of Atheism.

Have you ever thought that it might be as simple as this:
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With as many "illogical" assumptions as are made here about Atheists, I wonder why Christian's feel so threatened?

Do you not understand that Atheists could list just as many questions regarding why Christian's would believe?

I honestly think it's time that both groups move on and find better subjects to ponder.

Neither side is going to convince the other of their rightness so let's agree to disagree.

I belong to neither side but I do think that tolerance is in order for all beliefs.

If you want respect you must give it.

I think the best way we can all come to an understanding is to stop posting these anti christian anti atheist anti etc threads.

Also if you are Christian do not come to another's thread and start shoving your belief down their throats when you knew from the title that the thread wasn't for you.

Also Atheists and other groups do not go to a Christian only thread to start shit either.

I have done it myself for my own reasons but honestly where does it get us?

I'm not going to convert a Christian against their beliefs and they are not going to convert me either.

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Totally agree with you, well put
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
 Quoting: The Ghost of Hitch 15489233





Wow... Whoever would have guessed that the REAL judge of the universe would be a a cranky Irishman?

Obviously one who's never read (or at least UNDERSTOOD) the scriptures, and has no idea WHY God allows suffering in this present age.

I feel really sorry for these types. Who spend their lives running from faith, and relying on their own profound "wisdom".

Sadly, it is these exact types of arrogant and angry types that are the most doomed. Much more so than the repentant murderer, who truly comes to God for forgiveness.

The Irish pharisee who wrote the above has no NEED of God. And certainly wouldn't ever condescend to trust in God.

What a MOUNTAIN of very thinly veiled fury you have. You cannot see the kingdom of God, through a barrier of hatred and fury. You have set yourself ABOVE God, and consider your thought, and your way, above those of God.

You do not understand God, because you do not understand His word. God has reasons for His actions (or inactions) that can ONLY be truly understood by a dedicated study of His word. The things of the spirit are SPIRITUALLY discerned, and are only comprehended by people with a heart that comes to Him with pure sincerity.

Again... I assure you, that with your attitude of hatred and deeply rooted fury, you most certainly can never see the kingdom of God, or understand even remotely His ways.

But I wish you luck.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Let me be blunt. Who gives a fuck if they beleive in God. They are captain of their own ship. Your requirement is to plant the seed, it is up to God if He wants the seed to grow. Let them beleive what they want. Look at Madelyn Murray Ohare, look how she ended up. Can't say I am sad at all. I figured she got her just rewards.
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He WAS trying to plant a seed.

He IS allowing people to believe what they want.
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First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
 Quoting: The Ghost of Hitch 15489233





Wow... Whoever would have guessed that the REAL judge of the universe would be a a cranky Irishman?

Obviously one who's never read (or at least UNDERSTOOD) the scriptures, and has no idea WHY God allows suffering in this present age.

I feel really sorry for these types. Who spend their lives running from faith, and relying on their own profound "wisdom".

Sadly, it is these exact types of arrogant and angry types that are the most doomed. Much more so than the repentant murderer, who truly comes to God for forgiveness.

The Irish pharisee who wrote the above has no NEED of God. And certainly wouldn't ever condescend to trust in God.

What a MOUNTAIN of very thinly veiled fury you have. You cannot see the kingdom of God, through a barrier of hatred and fury. You have set yourself ABOVE God, and consider your thought, and your way, above those of God.

You do not understand God, because you do not understand His word. God has reasons for His actions (or inactions) that can ONLY be truly understood by a dedicated study of His word. The things of the spirit are SPIRITUALLY discerned, and are only comprehended by people with a heart that comes to Him with pure sincerity.

Again... I assure you, that with your attitude of hatred and deeply rooted fury, you most certainly can never see the kingdom of God, or understand even remotely His ways.

But I wish you luck.
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This is why god doesn't make sense.. please explain why god wants people to suffer? suffer your entire life but when you die, you can go to heaven? what was the point all a long? why even have earth (hell) if we can all party in heaven? doesn't make any sense.. believing in god is like not having common sense, serious.
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God doesnt believe in Atheists. Free Kent!
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Everyone with ANY spiritual discernment at all, knows the REAL reason that Kent was prosecuted, and so incredibly aggressively.

They had to make SURE this guy was put away for a long time. He was absolutely DEVASTATING to the evolutionist agenda.
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God doesnt believe in Atheists. Free Kent!
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Everyone with ANY spiritual discernment at all, knows the REAL reason that Kent was prosecuted, and so incredibly aggressively.

They had to make SURE this guy was put away for a long time. He was absolutely DEVASTATING to the evolutionist agenda.
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He was a criminal, that's it. He wasn't devestating to evolutionist agenda; evolutionists create science, creationists don't (there are rare cases, but even those are called into question often). Why would Kent Hovind be locked up, but not William Lane Craig? It doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
The question is wrong. You should ask: What is god?

People are assuming that you know what a god is. I don't. To me it's unknowable.

If you mean by a god, that it is the creator of all that is... My response is consciousness is the creator of all that is.

For instance, if you wake up in your dreams as ask who created these people around you - well, you just don't ask that question because you know that YOU created all the people in your dreams....

All is consciousness. Nothing exists outside of consciousness.

Now, the christian god of the bible is just a fear construct meant to manipulate people into behaving in a certain way. We should all know that by now....
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First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
 Quoting: The Ghost of Hitch 15489233





Wow... Whoever would have guessed that the REAL judge of the universe would be a a cranky Irishman?

Obviously one who's never read (or at least UNDERSTOOD) the scriptures, and has no idea WHY God allows suffering in this present age.

I feel really sorry for these types. Who spend their lives running from faith, and relying on their own profound "wisdom".

Sadly, it is these exact types of arrogant and angry types that are the most doomed. Much more so than the repentant murderer, who truly comes to God for forgiveness.

The Irish pharisee who wrote the above has no NEED of God. And certainly wouldn't ever condescend to trust in God.

What a MOUNTAIN of very thinly veiled fury you have. You cannot see the kingdom of God, through a barrier of hatred and fury. You have set yourself ABOVE God, and consider your thought, and your way, above those of God.

You do not understand God, because you do not understand His word. God has reasons for His actions (or inactions) that can ONLY be truly understood by a dedicated study of His word. The things of the spirit are SPIRITUALLY discerned, and are only comprehended by people with a heart that comes to Him with pure sincerity.

Again... I assure you, that with your attitude of hatred and deeply rooted fury, you most certainly can never see the kingdom of God, or understand even remotely His ways.

But I wish you luck.
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This is why god doesn't make sense.. please explain why god wants people to suffer? suffer your entire life but when you die, you can go to heaven? what was the point all a long? why even have earth (hell) if we can all party in heaven? doesn't make any sense.. believing in god is like not having common sense, serious.
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"
Do you want understanding?

READ... THE... BOOK

Do you want spiritual discernment?

STUDY... THE... BOOK



I find it offensive when people expect those who have spent years and years of diligent study, to graciously hand those who don't, an education in a compact box. In a post here at GLP.

I also find it ridiculous that you would label those who ARE dedicated to truth, as having "no common sense". When believing in God IS the epitome of common sense. It IS the beginning of true wisdom.

Do your homework. The answers are there. In fact more answers than you have questions. But alas... It takes effort, so most will not be willing to do it.

God wants people who are serious in seeking Him. The scriptures say if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. No one finds God, halfheartedly.

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15


Jesus said that you have not, because you ask not.

START ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU. And in the process, REMOVE your ego. REMOVE your pride. REMOVE your pre-conceived notions of what God is SUPPOSED to be, or not be.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD. Read His word daily. ASK for His Spirit to guide you.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6
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On days 9 & 10: After God created rock the day before, s/he needed 2 more days to come up with a use for it by creating scissors and paper ..seems obvious now.
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God doesnt believe in Atheists. Free Kent!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14158219


Everyone with ANY spiritual discernment at all, knows the REAL reason that Kent was prosecuted, and so incredibly aggressively.

They had to make SURE this guy was put away for a long time. He was absolutely DEVASTATING to the evolutionist agenda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18119230


He was a criminal, that's it. He wasn't devestating to evolutionist agenda; evolutionists create science, creationists don't (there are rare cases, but even those are called into question often). Why would Kent Hovind be locked up, but not William Lane Craig? It doesn't make sense to me.
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But you are a UK tard. A hopless and hapless liberal. Very little truth EVER makes sense to you.

And yes... Kent Hovind, and his regular presentations at Marxist colleges was VERY threatening to the establishment, and their Godless agenda's.
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This is a totally meaningless discussion. Christians are too brainwashed with their ideas to discuss. They can only repeat what has been drilled into them. They think a god is a separate person outside themselves, judging them - writing down rules in a bible.

How easily people are manipulated when they can't think for themselves.
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First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
 Quoting: The Ghost of Hitch 15489233





Wow... Whoever would have guessed that the REAL judge of the universe would be a a cranky Irishman?

Obviously one who's never read (or at least UNDERSTOOD) the scriptures, and has no idea WHY God allows suffering in this present age.

I feel really sorry for these types. Who spend their lives running from faith, and relying on their own profound "wisdom".

Sadly, it is these exact types of arrogant and angry types that are the most doomed. Much more so than the repentant murderer, who truly comes to God for forgiveness.

The Irish pharisee who wrote the above has no NEED of God. And certainly wouldn't ever condescend to trust in God.

What a MOUNTAIN of very thinly veiled fury you have. You cannot see the kingdom of God, through a barrier of hatred and fury. You have set yourself ABOVE God, and consider your thought, and your way, above those of God.

You do not understand God, because you do not understand His word. God has reasons for His actions (or inactions) that can ONLY be truly understood by a dedicated study of His word. The things of the spirit are SPIRITUALLY discerned, and are only comprehended by people with a heart that comes to Him with pure sincerity.

Again... I assure you, that with your attitude of hatred and deeply rooted fury, you most certainly can never see the kingdom of God, or understand even remotely His ways.

But I wish you luck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18119230


This is why god doesn't make sense.. please explain why god wants people to suffer? suffer your entire life but when you die, you can go to heaven? what was the point all a long? why even have earth (hell) if we can all party in heaven? doesn't make any sense.. believing in god is like not having common sense, serious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14309398




"
Do you want understanding?

READ... THE... BOOK

Do you want spiritual discernment?

STUDY... THE... BOOK



I find it offensive when people expect those who have spent years and years of diligent study, to graciously hand those who don't, an education in a compact box. In a post here at GLP.

I also find it ridiculous that you would label those who ARE dedicated to truth, as having "no common sense". When believing in God IS the epitome of common sense. It IS the beginning of true wisdom.

Do your homework. The answers are there. In fact more answers than you have questions. But alas... It takes effort, so most will not be willing to do it.

God wants people who are serious in seeking Him. The scriptures say if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. No one finds God, halfheartedly.

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15


Jesus said that you have not, because you ask not.

START ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU. And in the process, REMOVE your ego. REMOVE your pride. REMOVE your pre-conceived notions of what God is SUPPOSED to be, or not be.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD. Read His word daily. ASK for His Spirit to guide you.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6
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So you're telling me to go out of my way, study and read the book till god finds me or i find him. sorry, i have too many things going on in life and the thought of doing that just doesn't appeal to me.
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God doesnt believe in Atheists. Free Kent!
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Everyone with ANY spiritual discernment at all, knows the REAL reason that Kent was prosecuted, and so incredibly aggressively.

They had to make SURE this guy was put away for a long time. He was absolutely DEVASTATING to the evolutionist agenda.
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He was a criminal, that's it. He wasn't devestating to evolutionist agenda; evolutionists create science, creationists don't (there are rare cases, but even those are called into question often). Why would Kent Hovind be locked up, but not William Lane Craig? It doesn't make sense to me.
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I said:

"Everyone with ANY spiritual discernment at all"

That disqualifies you.

UK tards don't even have common sense, let alone spiritual discernment.
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Wow... Whoever would have guessed that the REAL judge of the universe would be a a cranky Irishman?

Obviously one who's never read (or at least UNDERSTOOD) the scriptures, and has no idea WHY God allows suffering in this present age.

I feel really sorry for these types. Who spend their lives running from faith, and relying on their own profound "wisdom".

Sadly, it is these exact types of arrogant and angry types that are the most doomed. Much more so than the repentant murderer, who truly comes to God for forgiveness.

The Irish pharisee who wrote the above has no NEED of God. And certainly wouldn't ever condescend to trust in God.

What a MOUNTAIN of very thinly veiled fury you have. You cannot see the kingdom of God, through a barrier of hatred and fury. You have set yourself ABOVE God, and consider your thought, and your way, above those of God.

You do not understand God, because you do not understand His word. God has reasons for His actions (or inactions) that can ONLY be truly understood by a dedicated study of His word. The things of the spirit are SPIRITUALLY discerned, and are only comprehended by people with a heart that comes to Him with pure sincerity.

Again... I assure you, that with your attitude of hatred and deeply rooted fury, you most certainly can never see the kingdom of God, or understand even remotely His ways.

But I wish you luck.
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This is why god doesn't make sense.. please explain why god wants people to suffer? suffer your entire life but when you die, you can go to heaven? what was the point all a long? why even have earth (hell) if we can all party in heaven? doesn't make any sense.. believing in god is like not having common sense, serious.
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Do you want understanding?

READ... THE... BOOK

Do you want spiritual discernment?

STUDY... THE... BOOK



I find it offensive when people expect those who have spent years and years of diligent study, to graciously hand those who don't, an education in a compact box. In a post here at GLP.

I also find it ridiculous that you would label those who ARE dedicated to truth, as having "no common sense". When believing in God IS the epitome of common sense. It IS the beginning of true wisdom.

Do your homework. The answers are there. In fact more answers than you have questions. But alas... It takes effort, so most will not be willing to do it.

God wants people who are serious in seeking Him. The scriptures say if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. No one finds God, halfheartedly.

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15


Jesus said that you have not, because you ask not.

START ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU. And in the process, REMOVE your ego. REMOVE your pride. REMOVE your pre-conceived notions of what God is SUPPOSED to be, or not be.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD. Read His word daily. ASK for His Spirit to guide you.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6
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So you're telling me to go out of my way, study and read the book till god finds me or i find him. sorry, i have too many things going on in life and the thought of doing that just doesn't appeal to me.
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Don't be sorry.

My job isn't to convince you, or anybody.

My job is to present the truth.

What you do with the truth, is your own affair.
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This is why god doesn't make sense.. please explain why god wants people to suffer? suffer your entire life but when you die, you can go to heaven? what was the point all a long? why even have earth (hell) if we can all party in heaven? doesn't make any sense.. believing in god is like not having common sense, serious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14309398




"
Do you want understanding?

READ... THE... BOOK

Do you want spiritual discernment?

STUDY... THE... BOOK



I find it offensive when people expect those who have spent years and years of diligent study, to graciously hand those who don't, an education in a compact box. In a post here at GLP.

I also find it ridiculous that you would label those who ARE dedicated to truth, as having "no common sense". When believing in God IS the epitome of common sense. It IS the beginning of true wisdom.

Do your homework. The answers are there. In fact more answers than you have questions. But alas... It takes effort, so most will not be willing to do it.

God wants people who are serious in seeking Him. The scriptures say if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. No one finds God, halfheartedly.

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15


Jesus said that you have not, because you ask not.

START ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU. And in the process, REMOVE your ego. REMOVE your pride. REMOVE your pre-conceived notions of what God is SUPPOSED to be, or not be.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD. Read His word daily. ASK for His Spirit to guide you.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18119230


So you're telling me to go out of my way, study and read the book till god finds me or i find him. sorry, i have too many things going on in life and the thought of doing that just doesn't appeal to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14309398




Don't be sorry.

My job isn't to convince you, or anybody.

My job is to present the truth.

What you do with the truth, is your own affair.
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lol the truth? get over yourself man. you sound nutty as hell. who can verify this truth you're presenting to me?
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This is a totally meaningless discussion. Christians are too brainwashed with their ideas to discuss. They can only repeat what has been drilled into them. They think a god is a separate person outside themselves, judging them - writing down rules in a bible.

How easily people are manipulated when they can't think for themselves.
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God IS separate, and He sovereign. You are not God, nor are you PART of God. You need God, but He does not need you. You could disappear tomorrow, but God will remain.

I haven't had ANYTHING "drilled" into me by ANYBODY. I think for myself, and that is WHY I became a believer, after having been a non-believer for 30 years.

It is non-believers who have been brainwashed, by the deceiver. The deceiver is the ruler of this present age, and his instruments of deception are EVERYWHERE. In fact... EVERYTHING mainstream, is run by him, and his minions.

Mainstream media, entertainment, education, government, and especially RELIGION. They are ALL run by the devil, from the top. I would be the first to agree that MOST "Christians" are deceived. But "Christians" are not where I get my belief and faith in Christ. I get my faith from His word, and His Spirit.



"In whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

2nd Corinthians 4:4
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"
Do you want understanding?

READ... THE... BOOK

Do you want spiritual discernment?

STUDY... THE... BOOK



I find it offensive when people expect those who have spent years and years of diligent study, to graciously hand those who don't, an education in a compact box. In a post here at GLP.

I also find it ridiculous that you would label those who ARE dedicated to truth, as having "no common sense". When believing in God IS the epitome of common sense. It IS the beginning of true wisdom.

Do your homework. The answers are there. In fact more answers than you have questions. But alas... It takes effort, so most will not be willing to do it.

God wants people who are serious in seeking Him. The scriptures say if you seek Him with all your heart, you will find Him. No one finds God, halfheartedly.

"Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2nd Timothy 2:15


Jesus said that you have not, because you ask not.

START ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU. And in the process, REMOVE your ego. REMOVE your pride. REMOVE your pre-conceived notions of what God is SUPPOSED to be, or not be.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing BY THE WORD OF GOD. Read His word daily. ASK for His Spirit to guide you.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18119230


So you're telling me to go out of my way, study and read the book till god finds me or i find him. sorry, i have too many things going on in life and the thought of doing that just doesn't appeal to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14309398




Don't be sorry.

My job isn't to convince you, or anybody.

My job is to present the truth.

What you do with the truth, is your own affair.
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lol the truth? get over yourself man. you sound nutty as hell. who can verify this truth you're presenting to me?
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"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing."


I shake the dust from my feet, and leave you with His judgment. Since you likely don't understand what that means, just Google "shake the dust".

No more pearls will be cast before you.
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"lol the truth? get over yourself man. you sound nutty as hell. who can verify this truth you're presenting to me?"


Ahhh... How often, in this world, does a man think of something as "nutty", but then later finds out that it was merely a matter of his own ignorance.
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So you're telling me to go out of my way, study and read the book till god finds me or i find him. sorry, i have too many things going on in life and the thought of doing that just doesn't appeal to me.
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Don't be sorry.

My job isn't to convince you, or anybody.

My job is to present the truth.

What you do with the truth, is your own affair.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18119230


lol the truth? get over yourself man. you sound nutty as hell. who can verify this truth you're presenting to me?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14309398





"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing."


I shake the dust from my feet, and leave you with His judgment. Since you likely don't understand what that means, just Google "shake the dust".

No more pearls will be cast before you.
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that was pretty heavy, burned me with a quote... we will see who gets the last laugh when you die and theres no "god" waiting in heaven opening his almighty gate for you.
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The quest for the meaning of life:

Humans always needs something to live for because it's not enough to just exist. For some reason we always seek some form of a meaning. It's like we lost our meaning of life and since then we try to find it again in a way or another. Someone can give us the meaning of life, this Someone has to be God. The need for a meaning of life is a clue or proof that God exists.

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Those that have been deceived into the Evolution Religion have a real problem with points like this.

As if any evolutionary processes of physical survival would drive us to be contemplating deeper meanings, or pondering guilt and regret, wondering if we did the right thing, and a host of other mental processes that define our consciousness.

There is so much innate proof that we are living within the framework our Creator's morals.
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Guilt and regret are the realisation that you made a bad choice. To realise is to have the ability to not do it again. This is beneficial to survival. Guilt and regret fit perfectly into evolution of life.

Most do not feel guilty about eating animals becasue quite frankly "what are they gonna do about it?" wheras we would feel very guilty about eating a human, because that would be BAD news for the eater.

Anyway, I certainly don't believe in GOD. But the notion is quaint, much like Father Christmas.
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Thing is, don't mistake people who are appalled by religious bigotry as "god haters" and "atheists" is all.

How many genuine atheists actually post here, anyway?
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I do.
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First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
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Hitch? Is that you?
bravo
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As far as the atheist argument comparing God to "Santa Claus" or the "Tooth Fairy", it is not so much the label, as the concept of the Creator. Where did all of this come from? Where did we come from?

The atheist typically relies on the religion of Evolution to explain this.. otherwise they really have no ground to stand on with physical reality staring them in the face.

As Evolution was the way into the deception, it can be used as a way out.

I was indoctrinated in this religion without even knowing it.

Listening to the Creationist, Kent Hovind, debate professor after professor after professor, I realized they could never refute any of the logical points he was bringing up.

I delved into the claims of Evolution more deeply and found a real lack of any evidence for what they were saying, and like Hovind points out, they kept using baseless claims like whale bones and human appendix being vestigial as "facts", without the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. And they also were deceptively lumping in their belief in "macro-evolution" (animals evolving into completely different animals) with the observed Speciation and Adaptation processes.

I realize now that Evolution survives only out of man's desire to have some sort of explanation for how we got here without relying on the Creator. It is a religion hiding under the label of Science. Be skeptical with your discussions with evolutionists and you will eventually find all of their claims to be a product of faith, not science.

Realizing this deception is in part what brought me to Christ, though it was ultimately falling to my knees and calling out in faith. When you are truly honest with yourself, you know Sin is real, and that you have sinned. You know there is an absolute right and wrong, and an absolute path that could only come from God. I pray now every day, and the emptiness and fear that I have carried around most of my life is gone. God fills me up. I am never alone. I am never afraid.

I pray even one person on the fence gets this message and takes it to heart.
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It is strange how only the mountain god, the god of war was chosen from the available pantheon to represent modern religions. Downer!
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As far as the atheist argument comparing God to "Santa Claus" or the "Tooth Fairy", it is not so much the label, as the concept of the Creator. Where did all of this come from? Where did we come from?

The atheist typically relies on the religion of Evolution to explain this.. otherwise they really have no ground to stand on with physical reality staring them in the face.

As Evolution was the way into the deception, it can be used as a way out.

I was indoctrinated in this religion without even knowing it.

Listening to the Creationist, Kent Hovind, debate professor after professor after professor, I realized they could never refute any of the logical points he was bringing up.

I delved into the claims of Evolution more deeply and found a real lack of any evidence for what they were saying, and like Hovind points out, they kept using baseless claims like whale bones and human appendix being vestigial as "facts", without the slightest bit of evidence to back it up. And they also were deceptively lumping in their belief in "macro-evolution" (animals evolving into completely different animals) with the observed Speciation and Adaptation processes.

I realize now that Evolution survives only out of man's desire to have some sort of explanation for how we got here without relying on the Creator. It is a religion hiding under the label of Science. Be skeptical with your discussions with evolutionists and you will eventually find all of their claims to be a product of faith, not science.

Realizing this deception is in part what brought me to Christ, though it was ultimately falling to my knees and calling out in faith. When you are truly honest with yourself, you know Sin is real, and that you have sinned. You know there is an absolute right and wrong, and an absolute path that could only come from God. I pray now every day, and the emptiness and fear that I have carried around most of my life is gone. God fills me up. I am never alone. I am never afraid.

I pray even one person on the fence gets this message and takes it to heart.
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Personally I don't find Hovind to have strong arguments, he is also a money grubbing tax evader. He clearly is a greedy man, which your bible says is bad right?

I believe the appendix still has a function and that is to keep a backup seedstore of bacteria useful to our guts.

Besides what is so empty about the notion of evolution, I myself find it rather grand and awe inspiring. It is time humanity left the dark ages and ventured into the stars, religion is not going to help us get there. Au contrair it is a mechanism by which a few can control the many, for the benefit of the few, not the many.

I will worship our sun before your god, for without it I know our planets biosphere will all but die.

All I can say is beware of story tellers and drama shows they are always staged to steer the audience.
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As far as the atheist argument comparing God to "Santa Claus" or the "Tooth Fairy", it is not so much the label, as the concept of the Creator. Where did all of this come from? Where did we come from?
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It's exactly like santa claus. You're the kid saying on Xmas morn,

"where did all these presents come from"

then you are told

"why santa claus little one"

the correct answer (though quite cold) would be

"well we all bought you things from shops, wrapped them up then hid them from you. Then your father crept downstairs at 3 in the morning to deposit them under the tree."

The correct answer to "where did life come from" is quite simply "evolution"

The exact operators of evolution are merely "crossover" and "mutation" admitedly you would have to wait LOTS of years for an amino acid to randomly form that performs those crossovers. But the universe is a BIG place and has ALOT of time.
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You can BELIEVE whatever you like. Any God can be BELIEVED in. Humans are very good at making up Gods to BELIEVE in.

However, none of these made-up Gods have ever turned out to actually exist, because, like Santa Claus, they were made-up.

The Christian God is no exception. Just another made-up God.

Unless you (or it) can prove he exists.

Without PROOF it is just another BELIEF in an imaginary mythological God.

Thus, until BELIEVERS can produce PROOF that their BELIEFS are not DELUSIONS the atheists will always have the better arguments, and will ultimately win.

QED.

God is bullshit born of fear and ignorance.
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Couldn't put it better myself. Religion and God-belief is mind control in action.

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