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DID TONY BLAIR RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER KATHRYN?

 
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DID TONY BLAIR RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER KATHRYN?
This story was banned via a D-Notice and then finally removed from the cache of UK Indymedia at:

[link to newswire.indymedia.org]

You can still the the headline halfway down the page, but when you click on it you´ll see the article has been removed:

[link to newswire.indymedia.org]

There were some complaints when Blair issued his D-Notice banning order because it´s not meant to be used to cover-up personal embarrassments, just national security matters.

Fortunately, I managed to download the article and discussion last year. I´ll reprint it in sections below and in full. Please read the discussion that follows:
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Public interest?

15.06.2004 18:37
How is this relevant to anything, or anyone outside of the girl´s immediate circle of family and friends? A media blackout doesn´t seem unreasonable given her age, obviously fragile mental state and complete lack of involvement in politics or government. Reporting this seems to be a pretty unneccesary and unkind invasion of Kathryn Blair´s privacy.

Thora
Hello!

15.06.2004 18:48
Oh dear "Thora". Cat´s out of the bag and you´ve been told to calm things down eh?

Moon
Evidence of a messed up family

15.06.2004 19:28
Amazing to see how people on a so-called open publishing website can be so against the reporting of such an important story - a story i fact that may have affected the outcome of elections.

Despite what these nasty sounding characters say we are grown up enough not to be afraid of reading and talking about suicide.

There is a word for protecting Joe Public from bad news to do with establishment figures - it´s censorship and thats exactly what Indymedia is there to stop.

Well done Tony for posting this and you´re quite right on the implications for press freedom of the cabinet office demanding it must not appear.

Of course you will get slagged off for posting it - by the usual suspects who troll around this website - one of the downsides to not having proper editors.

I know I am not the only person who will be genuinely shocked to hear this news and be better informed about old Blair and his ways.

PestoSauce
mail e-mail: ferrisd@btinternet.com
Difficult... but should it really be here?

15.06.2004 21:28
I´m not comfortable with this post. But my comfort isn´t important. What is important...

This wire is, I believe consensus continues, an activist resource. I am not sure how this one helps us as activists?

There is a __serious__ issue around mental health, schools and exam stresses. This article fails to highlight these issues because it names individuals. Reporting, and campaigning, must highlight the many people involved and doesn´t need names.

There maybe family issues that Tony Blair is living with, and his responses to them. There maybe his children´s stresses because of living with someone in his situation. I don´t doubt it, however, I am not happy with speculation about these issues being on the wire as: they are probably inaccurate, and are certainly of little use to activists.

We want to change things, for the better. Lets tackle issues of mental health properly. Lets not point fingers at people without talking to them. Lets involve people in changing things.

This article doesn´t deserve space on our wire.

ekes
no fences round the truth please

15.06.2004 22:06
The idea that Indymedia is an activist resource alone may be your opinion, but its certainly not a ´consensus´ ekes. It is first about getting to the truth. About breaking the power of the press to ring fence and censor any story. Especially in a time of war.

At least thats why boys and girls with programming skills like me donated our time, and the last thing any of us want is for Indymedia to become an ´activist ghetto´ that the wider public can´t see the point in.

And who says Kathryn´s mentally ill apart from ekes? Much more likely she´s feeling isolated and unloved by her ´sorry, no time for you now Kathryn´ parents. Is the upset and confused 16 year old daughter of a bullying world statesman not worthy of our concern?

So if this story proves to be true ekes, as it appears to be, its a big scoop for us activists against the censored press. And, unlike so many of the ´preaching to the converted´ posts on the wire, will get more of joe public reading and talking about the site. Far more radicalising than you´d like maybe?

A slap for the government, the corporate press and - bless me - ´Thora´ & ´Ekes´ too?

Accommodation in Croatia
Wrong date? Or 2nd attempt?

15.06.2004 23:44
If you follow the link provided, there´s another link to a forum ( [link to www.barficulture.com] ) where there´s a discussion on her suicide attempt, which started on 23rd April. There´s also a discussion on Google groups ( [link to dont_use_this.com] ) dated 29th April.

Presumably either the author got the wrong date, this is a 2nd attempt, or an old rumour is being rehashed. At the moment I´m inclined to be sceptical about the story, mainly because there isn´t really anything to back it up, and anyone who uses the internet should know that whilst the internet is great as a source of open news, it can be difficult to know whether to trust information.

I´d have thought that if the decision not to publish the story was voluntary, the story would easily have got out- there´s a lot of fairly mainstream publications that will print anything as long as they won´t get sued. If there was actually an injunction taken out, surely there would be an outcry by editors as there often has been in the past when the Government attempts to block publication of embarrassing information, and at the very least some foreign news sources would have published by now?

Then again perhaps it´s only beginning to come out, in which case well done Indymedia. If anyone does have any other links I´d be interested to read them.

sas
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mental health

16.06.2004 00:29
Of course, this story really is of earth shattering political significance.

And nothing like a load of nutters gloating over it to help a fragile state of mind.

sceptic
Prurient Interest

16.06.2004 01:15

The statement that a public figures family concerns are public concerns is one i would find troubling. From this side of the Irish sea we always took pride in our media being less intrusive than yours - to the extent that we lived in denial about loads of things. But when we started to publish in mainstream and then independent media different stories - there was generally a reason. I can see no reason for this story other than commerce.

IMHO Indymedia should not censor this story unless it is proved factually untrue. The reason that it was published should be an important issue - this is not the drudge report and that is not a worthwhile route into the ´mainstream´.

Offered in fraternal solidarity.

Hi ekes.

seedot
hmm

16.06.2004 02:50
Why does this need to be public knowledge? If I had attempted suicide I might not want the whole world to know just becuase my dad happened to be PM.

And don´t give me that bull about censoring a ´young girl´s cry for help´; if she wanted the whole bloody world to know she would´ve gone to the press herself, right?

BTW This story has apparently been floating around awhile now unofficially amongst journos but was not reported for obvious reasons...

I am loath to call for a censoring of it; that feels like imc is somehow towing the govt line, but there are plenty of better ways to criticise Blair than tell stories of his family, and I wouldn´t have published it myself.

.
probably

16.06.2004 03:19
seeking attention...

or a marylyn manson fan!

the threads above are , like Woah!
so f**kin purile...

like, Woah! cool ...

yeah Woah!

radical dude...

Tony Blair is a pig

but his daughters a child
becoming a woman...
it´s a stressful time

A lot of adolescants go through this
it seems to be , like , woah! so cool
to do yourself in...


she needs care...

He needs to taken out on No. 10 , put on trial...
and found guilty of deception both of leading this country into an invasion
and for calling it a war...

not to mention the murder of innocent civilians
[that´s consumers to you Mr Blaaah]

and the appropriation of intelligence for private war profiteering

as jean luc Picard once said

MAKE IT SO!








Captain Wardrobe
Well out of order

16.06.2004 12:25
This is well out of order, a 16 year old girl has (apparently) tried to commit suicide, the last thing she needs is a load of publicity to contribute to her already unstable mental state.

IF YOU TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE WOULD YOU WANT THAT PUBLISHED?? Think about it!!

This is really fucking sick and it makes me fucking angry! Trying to make a political point out this is shit, just cos she´s Tony Blair´s daughter doesn´t mean that her whole private life should be put through the media spotlight.

Do you want to drive a girl to death? Is that what you want? Just because someone is the daughter of someone famous doesn´t mean they should suffer, for all we know she hates her dad and think he´s a bastard (i hated mine!).

Attack Tony Blair but leave his children out of it.

Miss Point
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16.06.2004 12:36

i have hidden this article. the reasons why are stated in a post to the imc-uk-features admin list, hosted on lists.indymedia.org - this is the appropriate forum to respond to with opinions on imc-uk editorial policy and the hiding/unhiding of individual articles. please note that all articles remain visible from the ´view all posts´ page, linked to from the ´editorial guidelines´ page.

--gdm

GarçonDuMonde
it just might be important

20.06.2004 00:49
It might be more important that we can guess. Has anyone thought of the possibility that she might know of something coming up that is not worth living for....or through? Teenagers do see the world differently. and if she is so distraught from Daddy´s job. I think it would have shown by know...

But that´s just my opinion. Just remember, if it seems too bizarre to hold truth... it probably is true!

ingozi
You idiots

20.06.2004 14:49
God almighty.

The reason the media (that includes both press and broadcasters, as some of you seem to forget) hasn´t touched this story is NOT because we´ve had a crisis of conscience, nor because Tony has asked us to stay away.

IF we chose to report this (and there are those who say we should) the chances are that the poor girl would try to commit suicide again, and most likely succeed. She´s had to deal with having one of the most famous and photographed men in the world as a father, problems with her weight, AS WELL AS all the problems that a child of that age has to encounter.

Various people in the press have made veiled references to the situation (look for mentions of "family problems" or of Blair choosing to "concentrate on his family") but no one will be idiotic enough to state it explicitly. Indeed, there was some discussion of the government´s recent proposal to allow cameras into the daily lobby briefing, as this very topic had been dealt with my the PM´s press secretary during lobby.

The story will eventually come out, but not till after Blair leaves Downing Street.

One of the problems of being a "network of individuals, independent and alternative media activists and organisations, offering grassroots, non-corporate, non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues" is that by being out of the loop you occasionally don´t get the point.

Claiming that information on this suicide bid is in the public interest sounds a bit disingenuous - you might dislike Blair, but seeking ammo to use against him, at the expense of an emotionally-disturbed teenager, is beyond the pale.

alibi
Important fact on suicide

21.06.2004 10:35
Suicide attempts only tend to be repeated if they are ignored.

Han

Hannah Firth
Nonsense

21.06.2004 12:52
Hannah,

Trite one-line statements on the factors influencing suicide attempts are rather silly. I doubt Blair is ignoring his daughter´s suicide attempt, and I wonder at the utility of having the entire nation talking about it.

Would be nice if Mr Gosling re-entered this debate, central, as he is, to domestic journalism - secretary of the Bristol NUJ indeed.

alibi
Yes yes,

21.06.2004 17:07
Well, it was an extreme thought for extreme times. A public figure - willing to risk lives based on known lies, certainly does not and should not for the length of his/her term deserve to hide anything from public scrutiny. Because they adhere to shadow tactics that get true innocence killed does not give them the right to shout "please stay out of my life!" what a crock.

Shouldn´t the news reporters thereby ask every person involved in every story "listen, do you want us to print this story? We certainly won´t if you ask us not to?" Right, what a joke! How many stories are there that Tony Blair or G.W. Bush ask not be printed?

Reporting is reporting. But, I suppose if politicians are owned, the media (or quite a few in the media) might as well be too. Everyone´s got short hairs to be led around by...


Ingozi
Reasons are Important

22.06.2004 01:51
I think it would be relevant because one has to wonder why a young woman would deem it necessary to commit suicide; is it because of anything her father is responsible for? If so, then we must stop and consider, if even the man´s own daughter cannot be swayed by his appeals to justify war, should the common voter?

If not, then it is still valuable to recognize that even such a one as the daughter of rulers has issues that are not addressed in today´s world, so how much more for oneself? She is related to "fame" (or "infamy", depending on one´s perspective), and she must learn to deal with ALL that "fame" entails...

Adam
Usefulness of Indy Media

23.06.2004 00:28
I think its fine that the press have not published this particular bit of news but I believe it demonstrates the usefulness of indy news as a ´soft´ alternative. The story is relevant because it relects on the PM´s priorities and passions. If TB was less concerned about prosecuting new world order wars against sovereign nations in pursuit of some utopian goal he may have had more time to dedicated to his family and domestic policy.

I feel sorry for his daughter, but I do feel tony is partly to blame. Stop sucking up to internationlist handlers Tony and start running this country properly!

SC
It´s not so straightforward...

26.06.2004 02:30
Blair´s daughter is not a public figure so I see no good reason why anyone should air such items for all of the reasons already mentioned by others. What´s more if the story is false, it could still affect her.

However in saying that Mondays Guardian had an item "FBU leader ´fingered by No 10´" that claims Downing St was spinning against FBU leader Andy Gilchrist and his family. If the assertions from the FBU are accurate (even though I object to such reporting) there would seem to be adequate intellectual and ethical justification for the Blair item.

(From Monday´s Guardian)
...A FBU statement said: "The hounding of every generation of Mr Gilchrist´s family in the past two years by elements of the media have contributed greatly to the problems he and his family are now facing...."

Full item here [link to dont_use_this.com]

mikh
andy gilchrist...

27.06.2004 12:46
... is a fucking tool, though. Eighty grand for FBU chief? Kier Hardie is turning in his grave.

alibi
Look at the way Tony holds his daughter´s hand

30.06.2004 09:53
Look at the way Tony Blair holds his daughter´s hand in the picture. Awkward - creepy - weird - as if he thinks she´s some kind of rag doll. Everything about this man smells of brown stuff. He is surely the biggest traitor England has ever known.

Oh I wish the Spitfires and Hurricaines from the Battle of Britain would reappear and shoot down Blair and his treacherous cronies.

BBC emergency transmitter control - Wood Norton
mail e-mail: [link to www.bbctraining.com]
home Homepage: [link to www.bbctraining.com]
Look at the way Tony holds Kathryn´s hand

30.06.2004 10:13
Tony holds Kathryns hand like she is some kind of rag doll. Everything this man does smels of brown stuff.

BBC Emergency transmitter control centre - Evesham
Protect the Blair brand whatever the cost

30.06.2004 17:39
Its not about apportioning blame it´s about what we are and are not allowed to know about our so called leaders families.

Religion and Family of ´the great one´ are out of bounds?? Since when - and what happens when a leader the establishment don´t like is implicated in a family disaster?
You got it in one - its all over the front pages.

The debate is between two competing imperitives.
1. Voters right to know.
vs. 2. Kathryn´s need for anonymity.

But instead the debate isn´t even happening.

My points are these - That if we can´t report this suicide attempt what suicide attempts can we report?
I contend that the censorship is all about protecting the Blair brand and nothing to do with protecting Kathryn who has made a cry for help that´s been virtually ignored.

Tony G

Tony G
home Homepage: [link to www.public-interest.co.uk]
why this article was hidden

03.07.2004 12:29
[link to archives.lists.indymedia.org]

This article was hidden by garcondumonde for the following ´reasons´

Which boil down to this
Because he wasn´t sure it was factual - By which excuse everything in indymedia can be hidden - and because the PM´s daughter is named. (which is public knowledge anyway)

Worrying isn´t it - unless you´re an infiltrator




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hi,

i´ve read through this post and all the comments (there are a number
subsequent to ekes´ comment).

the majority are in favour of NOT hiding the article.

i have hidden it.

Why?? there are a number of reasons. i will post a short comment under the
article linking to this email as well....

1. firstly, i agree with the comment ekes made about mental health problems:

> There is a __serious__ issue around mental health, schools and exam
> stresses. This article fails to highlight these issues because it names
> individuals. Reporting, and campaigning, must highlight the many people
> involved and doesn´t need names.

teenagers are under an enormous amount of stress that is often
unrecognised. adolescent girls are pretty much at the peak of the iceberg
in terms of numbers of attempted suicide: they do it more than anybody
else (although fortunately they are less successful than their male
counterparts).

2. there appears - from comments posted under the article and from surfing
various other BBs found thru google.co.uk - to be some variance in the
details around the story. it is not entirely clear what happened when, and
the story is merely attributed to "my sources" - hardly a descriptive
account of what role/credibility those people may have.

3. kathryn blair has already been found involved in disputes over stories
about her in the press:

"39. Blair MP v Mail on Sunday (Report 47, 1999)"
[link to www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk]
cm200203/cmselect/cmcumeds/458/3032509.htm

"...the Commission noted the Code´s responsibility to protect vulnerable
children. In this case, it considered that Kathryn would start school at
the centre of a row over the validity of her admission and felt that the
story therefore had significantly affected her welfare at a particularly
crucial time....

it considered that the article was in breach of Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the
Code of Practice. It therefore followed that, because the article was
misleading, there could be no public interest in its contents.

The breach
of Clause 1 necessarily would demonstrate a breach of Clause 6 (Children)
in that untrue allegations connected to a child would automatically harm
her welfare and obviate the public interest defence. The Commission—in
line with the precedents set out in Section 1—also noted the extent to
which Mr and Mrs Blair had gone to protect the privacy of their daughter."

i think this is an interesting reference because it, legitimately, raises
questions about press adherence to a voluntary code of conduct (please
correct me if i am wrong about any of the details: i am neither a lawyer
nor a journalist!) regarding personal privacy - including the privacy of a
child - in a public arena. there are implications for indymedia, too...

by following the logic presented in this quote (and the full reference,
which is only a few lines longer), i think that the article should be
hidden: there is not enough evidence that it is correct and i think that
the article could be more damaging.

[nb. a medical definition of childhood in the uk includes all those under
the age of 16 and those up to the age of 18 who remain in full-time
education]

My suggestion would be that the article is perhaps re-written, anonymising
the name of the child (although i would agree that the public interest may
be served best by stating "there are rumours that one of tony blair´s
children attempted suicide last month" or something similar) in order that
this important aspect of our society can be highlighted.

i note that the article is printed in full on tony gosling´s own website,
The All Seeing Eye - [link to www.public-interest.co.uk] and
i am not trying to suggest that that should be changed as i have no place
to do so.

i do find, however, that it is interesting that one of the links
from the article on that website is to "Ethical guidance on the reporting
of suicide" - [link to www.presswise.org.uk]

from there, i quickly reached guidelines which talked about "suicide
contagion" and also raised as a concern the fact that,

"Using adolescents on TV or in print media to tell the stories of their
suicide attempts may be harmful to the adolescents themselves or may
encourage other vulnerable young people to seek attention in this way."

i finish with another quote from ekes:

> We want to change things, for the better. Lets tackle issues of mental
> health properly. Lets not point fingers at people without talking to
> them. Lets involve people in changing things.

love & solidarity,

--gdm

nb. i would like to remind everyone that no article is removed from
www.indymedia.org.uk - they are all visible by following the ´view all
posts´ link which can be found on the editorial guidelines page,
[link to www.indymedia.org.uk]

Tony Gosling
mail e-mail: www.public-interest.co.uk
home Homepage: [link to archives.lists.indymedia.org]
2004-June/005854.html
the story has appeared today on a very famous Italian "gossip" website

15.07.2004 00:01
today the story about blair´s daughter has appeared on the italian website of dagospia:

[link to 213.215.144.81]

this is a very much visited gossip website. Its editor, Roberto d´Agostino says that the website can be more independent than other mass media because it is financed by porn or quasi porn ads.

In any case, the news is out there.

david panizzi

david panizzi
between the devil and the deep blue sea?

28.07.2004 10:56
whilst i agree this in the interest of those wishing to fully judge the all round actions and capabilities of blair, i also respect the right of the daughter to privacy. her fathers failings should not automatically mean her actions and distress are deemed public property.

stanton
Okay

19.08.2004 15:37


What you have to ask yourself is if this was the son/daughter of a minor disposable B list celebrity would the red tops have gone to town on it? I think so.

Trev
observer

14.09.2004 14:13
Conspiracies everywhere eh? Perhaps, just perhaps, the media blackout by responsible media organisations was because of the awfulness of Kathryn´s suicide attempt coupled with the reality that she has nothing to do with politics? Its a reasonable case of self censorship, rather than big brother regulation. Lets face it, reporting her suicide attempt is in plain bad taste....

nigel
how unfair!

15.09.2004 12:15
don´t you think there was a british press blackout for a reason?i dont think it will help kathryn at all to know that there is a site telling every one about it-this could make the situation worse-she will feel like evryone is looking at her-where is your conscience?
although im not a labour supporter im sure like any parent tony is doing what´s best for her-keeping it quiet was one thing.

ange
mail e-mail: Ahutchingsc@aol.com
Thanks, this should be reported.

15.09.2004 13:03
If someone is prepared to attempt suicide because of the shame she feels for being from a family of murdering war-criminals of course it´s news.

Even if it was just exam pressure it is relevant (maybe now we know why Tony Blair is dumbing down all the exams).

Does anyone from the sycophantic mainstream press care to comment on how this was cesored?

Greg
Celebrity is as celebrity does!!

15.09.2004 23:09
The Blairs live there lives as celebrities and expect all the little perks that go along with that celebrity - free holidays - bargain designer gear - children brought out for the cameras when it suits them - so sometimes its not as nice, like now, or when Euwen is getting up to no good or the baby does or does not have a jab or the missus gets caught out with her dodgy property deals with her bath-time buddies boyfriend.

When these creepy people are out of the spotlight and they then cash in (more conspicuosly than now) on the last 10 years of slurs, lies and bad judgement I bet we will hear alot more about the ups and downs of Brand Blair.

I pity the daughter (and the other kids to be honest) but this is due to old mother Blair failing to do what other PM´s partners have done - give up the limelight to ensure the home keeps an even keel.

Si Nickle
Masses

16.09.2004 11:04
Well...

If this thread is true, why should all those in ´the media´ who have the education,
understanding etc. make the decision on not allowing ´us´ thicko´s to know about this?

Hey! its ok for the media to give us every detail of Mrs. dumbass down the road who´s
kids are on the rampage or show us terrorist videos of children getting killed and abused. Can´t let this story out though. Why? Cos we are deemed not capable of making our
own minds up about it.

Mind you I wondered why the Mail had big articles on student suicides recently...

C.J

C.J
mail e-mail: the_great_rogers@yahoo.com
Why Kathryn took an overdose

16.09.2004 20:01
Tasteless press articles about Kathryn in December 2003
Tony Gosling - 16Sep04

According to my sources one of the main reason´s for Kathryn´s feeling so depressed as to consider taking an overdose were press articles in December cruelly critical of her. She is clearly a sensitive child at a sensitive age who needs more support from her parents.

The article below - by Carol Midgley - refers to previous articles that week which I haven´t been able to locate. If anyone can do so here that might enable us to identify

Cheap, bullying, columnists can have a cruel effect in circumstances where Kathryn´s parents are not there to support her.

Lots of talk today of Lord Bragg´s comments that Tony Blair considered resigning after extreme family strain - not between Cherie and the PM. Cherie denies everything - see below.


Tony




Obesity

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

December 22, 2003

Fat lady sings her way to a fairytale ending

By Carol Midgley

SO, the fat bird won it. Well, knock me down with a feather.Is the nation
ready for such a cultural bombshell? Can we cope with the fact that for
the first time in 20 years a female pop star looks not like Geri Halliwell
but her 18-stone bouncer; that she looks like she might enjoy her
Christmas dinner, not bring it back up with the help of two fingers?

Pete Waterman, one of the Pop Idol judges, evidently cannot. He stormed
out in disgust after the size 20 former waitress was voted the audience’s
winner. Waterman probably spoke for many men when he told our Michelle
that she had “zero personality and zero charisma” (translation: “You’re a
lard-arse and I don’t fancy you”).


But for the millions of parents out there petrified that their Victoria
Beckham-fixated daughters are going to lapse into a bout of anorexia
before their 12th birthday, what a breath of fresh air La McManus must be.


She refuses to diet (she lost three stone when the contest began but is
now resolved to stick at 15 stone) declaring: “If people are going to buy
into me they have to accept me as I am.”

In a week when women newspaper columnists castigated Cherie Blair for
letting her 15-year-old daughter Kathryn appear on the family Christmas
card with “tree trunk” legs, McManus has injected some sanity into an
increasingly crazed world..........


Shock over claims PM was set to quit
[link to news.scotsman.com]

BILL JACOBS
WESTMINSTER EDITOR

Key points
• ’Family matters’ at heart of stress for Prime Minister
• ’Doubts over policies’
• Health Secretary denies Blair thought of quitting

Key quote
"And my guess is that it was domestic rather than anything else. Domestic not in any sense about him and Cherie - I have never seen a couple get on as those two, it’s not that." MELVYN BRAGG


Story in full CLAIMS by TV presenter Melvyn Bragg that his close friend Tony Blair contemplated quitting this year because he was under "colossal strain" connected with his family today rocked Westminster.

Labour peer Lord Bragg said the Prime Minister had suffered a great deal of personal and family stress and that he may have doubted whether some of the Government’s policies were working.

Suggestions that Mr Blair had considered quitting have been circulating in the House of Commons since the summer, as have rumours of personal problems.

But today Health Secretary John Reid denied that Mr Blair had considered resigning.

But he admitted that the Premier had been under stress - as he was all the time.

Yesterday, Lord Bragg told ITV News: "The considerations of his family had become very pressing."

The novelist and arts TV presenter told interviewer Alastair Stewart, who asked whether the Prime Minister had really considered resigning: "I think that he was under tremendous stress. He was being hammered in the press.

"Perhaps he had doubts about some policies, perhaps not. But in my view, the real stress was personal and family, which matters most to him.

"My guess is that the considerations of his family became very pressing and that was what made him think things over very carefully."

Lord Bragg, whose wife Cate Haste has co-authored a book about No 10 spouses with Cherie Blair, added: "What people don’t seem to get is how very, very strong he is.

"And how very determined he is to help make this country a better place, as is Gordon Brown.

"And he thinks he is on track to do that. But yes, I think he was under colossal strain, you could see it.

"And my guess is that it was domestic rather than anything else. Domestic not in any sense about him and Cherie - I have never seen a couple get on as those two, it’s not that."

Lord Bragg’s comments are the latest in a series of reports that Mr Blair considered resigning earlier this year.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said that Downing Street had no idea Lord Bragg was about to comment publicly about Mr Blair and his family. "I must admit it took us a bit by surprise as much as anybody else," said the spokesman.

On the question of whether Mr Blair had considered quitting, a Downing Street spokesman said he had "nothing to add".

But Dr Reid denied that the famous summer "wobble" had brought Mr Blair to the brink of quitting.

He said: "I think I know the Prime Minister as well as anyone. These stories are simply untrue.

"At no stage did the Prime Minister indicate to me or anyone else that we was about to resign or make any pre-resignation announcement."

He said that anyone in public life was under pressures - including family, personal and social - and that those pressures were heaviest on the Prime Minister, but he refused to discuss Mr Blair’s private life.

Dr Reid said that in the summer, both in terms of domestic policy and the aftermath of the war in Iraq, Mr Blair had been under great pressure and his colleagues had gathered round and supported him.

The Cabinet Minister’s comments backed up Mr Blair’s assertion at his last Prime Ministerial press conference that he had never considered quitting.

The No 10 press office denied suggestions that Lord Bragg had consulted Mr Blair before making his comments and that it was a bid to win sympathy for the Prime Minister.

Some insiders believe that at the height of the "wobble" Mr Blair told Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown he was ready to stand down in his favour and that his decision not to do so has led to recent new tensions between Labour’s two top men.





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Blair ´nearly quit over family´
By George Jones, Political Editor
(Filed: 15/09/2004)

Tony Blair came close to standing down for personal and family reasons this summer, Melvyn Bragg, the author and broadcaster and a close friend of the Blairs, said yesterday.

Although Lord Bragg did not disclose the "pressing domestic" reasons which brought Mr Blair to the brink, he is the first family friend to confirm that the Prime Minister considered quitting.


Cherie Blair is said to have persuaded her husband not to hand over the reins to Gordon Brown

The disclosure coincided with fresh whisperings at Westminster that Mr Blair told Gordon Brown and John Prescott late last year that he would stand down by the end of 2004 if they helped him over Iraq and the backbench revolt on university top-up fees.

Downing Street did not deny Lord Bragg´s claim. Mr Blair´s official spokesman said the Labour peer´s remarks "took us by surprise as much as anybody".

According to the spokesman, Mr Blair still stood by his statement in July that he had not considered quitting as Prime Minister.

But Downing Street refused to discuss the substance of Lord Bragg´s allegations or the closeness of his relationship with the Blair family.

Lord Bragg´s wife, Cate Haste, is the co-author with Cherie Blair of a book about the spouses of prime ministers and their life inside No 10.

The couple were guests at Mrs Blair´s 50th birthday party at Chequers last weekend, which was restricted to close family friends.

Interviewed on the ITV News channel´s Alastair Stewart programme, Lord Bragg said that Mr Blair had been under "tremendous stress" this year, when he was being "hammered" in the press.

Most political commentators have attributed Mr Blair´s so- called "wobble" to political reasons, suggesting that he feared he was becoming a liability to his party.

The Prime Minister´s personal ratings for trust had fallen sharply over Iraq, he was deeply embarrassed by the images of prisoner abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison, and Labour feared a Tory revival under Michael Howard.

However, Lord Bragg suggested that the main reason for Mr Blair considering standing down was "personal and family" rather than political. While the Prime Minister might have had doubts about some policies, the real stress was personal, because "family" mattered most to him.

"My guess is that the considerations of his family became very pressing," Lord Bragg said. "That was what made him think things over very carefully."

While not disclosing what the family pressures were, he denied that the Blairs´ marriage was in difficulty.

"Yes, he was under colossal strain. My guess is that it was domestic rather than anything else. Domestic, not in any sense about him and Cherie. I have never seen a couple get on as well as those two. It was not that."

Lord Bragg´s disclosures about the pressures facing the Blairs caused surprise at Westminster last night. They have always jealously guarded the privacy of their children and sought to give them as normal a life as possible despite living in the "goldfish bowl" of Downing Street.

Labour MPs doubt that he was authorised to make the comments and believe the Blairs will be deeply embarrassed by the renewed focus on their family life.

Peter Mandelson, a European commissioner, told Channel 4 News: "I´m probably as close to the Prime Minister and his family as anyone in political life in this country and it´s certainly news to me."

Despite the denials, authoritative ministerial sources confirm that Mr Blair did consider stepping down. Some ministers were so concerned about his morale - during "a long dark night of the soul" - that they went to see him to urge him to stay on.

In recent weeks, there have been further suggestions that Mr Brown - despite his long-held ambitions to become prime minister - persuaded Mr Blair not to announce in advance that he would quit, because it would create a lame-duck premiership and trigger party infighting.

The Chancellor, however, may have believed that Mr Blair still intended to leave at the end of this year. Some of Mr Brown´s supporters say he feared that an orderly succession could be wrecked by a premature announcement.

But Mr Blair changed his mind over the summer and decided he wanted to lead Labour into the next election and a record third term. Mrs Blair is understood to have played a key role in persuading him to carry on and not hand over to Mr Brown.

After two health scares last year, Mr Blair´s colleagues say he is now fit and has regained enthusiasm for the job.

The political outlook improved over the summer. He survived the Butler report on Iraq war intelligence, while the Tories failed to make a breakthrough.

Tony Gosling
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This explains why Kathryn took an overdose

16.09.2004 23:33
The article below refers to other articles I have not been able to locate.
According to my sources this is one of the main reasons why Kathryn took an overdose - thoughtless - cheap and cruel reporting of the Blairs´ Christmas card.

I can obviously see why circulating this in an insensitive way might upset Katheryn further but how are we to kurb this sort of irresponsible tabloid style reporting without cases like Kathryn´s being discussed?
Suicide is a serious issue and we should take it seriously and identify the cause. Sloppy, cheap, cruel journalism.
Tony


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Obesity

December 22, 2003

Fat lady sings her way to a fairytale ending
By Carol Midgley
SO, the fat bird won it. Well, knock me down with a feather.Is the nation ready for such a cultural bombshell? Can we cope with the fact that for the first time in 20 years a female pop star looks not like Geri Halliwell but her 18-stone bouncer; that she looks like she might enjoy her Christmas dinner, not bring it back up with the help of two fingers?

Pete Waterman, one of the Pop Idol judges, evidently cannot. He stormed out in disgust after the size 20 former waitress was voted the audience’s winner. Waterman probably spoke for many men when he told our Michelle that she had “zero personality and zero charisma” (translation: “You’re a lard-arse and I don’t fancy you”).

But for the millions of parents out there petrified that their Victoria Beckham-fixated daughters are going to lapse into a bout of anorexia before their 12th birthday, what a breath of fresh air La McManus must be.

She refuses to diet (she lost three stone when the contest began but is now resolved to stick at 15 stone) declaring: “If people are going to buy into me they have to accept me as I am.”

In a week when women newspaper columnists castigated Cherie Blair for letting her 15-year-old daughter Kathryn appear on the family Christmas card with “tree trunk” legs, McManus has injected some sanity into an increasingly crazed world.

Tony Gosling
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Please don´t devalue Indymedia

20.09.2004 00:06
This type of article, in my opinion, devalues the important work of Indymedia. There are far more important issues to deal with than the personal problems of a 16 year old girl. That she is unfortunate enough to find herself in her current situation is sad, but ultimately none of our business.

Kevin
poor little lamb

21.09.2004 17:02
poor little cow, leave her alone... pick on her dad as much as you see fit, after all he ran for election and as such has put himself up for much public scrutiny but what has she done to deserve this?

billbo the gay
Blair, Clinton, etc.

24.09.2004 15:58
Well, of course, no two cases are exactly alike so we can´t just say that because we deplore the way Clinton was treated because his private life didn´t reflect on his competence in public life so we are obliged to also approve of protecting Blair from intrusion into his private life.

It is the rule which needs to be dispassionate and universal.

If an indidual´s private life is at odds with the way it is presented (for that individuals advantage) in their public life (i.e. an apostle of ´Family Values´ gets up to hanky panky) then there is an hypocrisy which is a prima facie candidate for exposure - but it is not mandatory for the Media to expose it.

If an individuals´s private life indicates something of extreme relevance to their public life (i.e. a habit - such as drug dependence - or a severe medical or psychiatric condition - such as stroke or certifiable insanity - that affects their rationality) then that places in doubt their competence to continue in public life and it is mandatory on the Media to expose it.

If a close friend or relation engages in conduct or expresses opinions in a manner that is likely to cause a person in public life to change their public conduct without public explanation then it is mandatory on the Media to expose it.

No other private conduct by or private opinions of any close friend or relation of a person in public life has any relevance whatsoever to that person´s public life and both the public person and - where appropriate - the close friend or relative are entitled to their privacy.

In all cases, where the acts or opinions of a minor are concerned, they are entitled to have their anonymity protected until they reach the age of 18 and at all costs even - if necessary - against their wishes. After they pass theage of 18, their acts or opinions when younger should remain private if they wish it, unless they have an overwhelming relevance to the actual conduct of the person in public life.


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Protecting the Prime Minister´s family

27.09.2004 10:22
I don´t remember the press holding off when Mark Thatcher got lost in the desert or on Carol´s indiscretions, nor do I remember Mrs Thatcher trying to gag the press.

This government really has got the country by the balls and will not let go. Yes it is sad and terrible for Miss Blair and I am sure she needs the support and love of her family but I think that this is far more a case of being in the "public interest" not just of interest to the public than much of which we are lead to read.

anon
No such thing as a creditable secret

27.09.2004 16:17
Just to express my gratitude to your excellent web-site and to Tony Gosling for having the courage to publish this valuable piece of information on the Internet. Of course, it´s important and, of course, it should be made public; why do you think they´re trying to cover it up?

It is deeply discreditable to the Blairs as parents, since it shows that the atmosphere in their family is so poisonous that their daughter has been driven to attempt suicide. The fact that they take not a blind bit of notice and carry on just as before shows why she did it in the first place.

Keep up the good work.

Warmest regards, Robin Scott

Robin Scott
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I just LOVE ranting conspiracy websites like this!

29.09.2004 19:56
Oh I just love you lot! And I especially love the idea that there was a news black-out to HELP "New" Labour not lose the local and Euro elections too badly. Have you never heard of a sympathy vote. There would be a lot of parents out there whose kids will have done similar things. Do you think they consider themselves "failures"? I doubt it.

They´d sympathise with the PM´s family as would a lot of their friends/neighbours etc. (As an aside I bet most of you lot of losers think of yourselves as "non-judgemental" - tho you seem to have no probs when it comes to heaping judging on Tony´s head...Tony´s evil but feckless single mothers on council estates are "victims of society"...)

And some final points. I have never ever voted for "New Labour" (tho if they keep up the good work in Iraq/Afganistan etc and keep moving towards tuition fees/foundation hospitals I might just consider it!) but you lot make me wanna spew.

Oh and you can write whatever crap you like about me cos I ain´t ever coming back ot his site to read it!

Now I´ll leave you to go back to crying over your Guardians.

Up yours!

Dave
Immaturity and lack of thought

04.10.2004 12:32
So having a daughter attempt suicide means your family atmosphere must be "poisonous"? To continue your job after such an event, rather than leaving it to focus on your child, increasing their sense of guilt and inadequacy in the process, is "take not a blind bit of notice"?

I´m sure Robin Scott´s comments will offer solace to thousands of parents who are struggling to cope with the aftermath of suicide bids. Go on, blame yourselves, you heartless, dysfunctional scumbags!

I forget that, because Tony Blair authorised the invasion of Iraq, he forfeits all claims to consideration, as do his seed unto the seventh generation.

Fortunately, I don´t suppose many parents of suicides will be reading this, as it´s largely for us 20something wannabees who like to be in the loop of media gossip while dressing up their voyeurism as public interest.

Grumpy
what it´s all about

13.10.2004 00:22
How very very interesting.
Firstly the way in which the press in Britain is manipulated to cover its own ass.
Secondly in the ridiculous way Indymedia have tried to censor this story.

Sure makes you wonder who has the power to hide and not to hide stories on this site.
This is clearly the kind of story Indymedia was designed to be maybe the only place to let it see the light of day.

Shame on tony B and well done Tony G. for persisting in making it public as well as for your sensitive and sympathetic treatment of the story despite the moronic provocation.
Of course the public are able to understand and react like adults to this sort of news. And what a bloody patronising insult to say we´re not!

Go get a job at the Sun garcondumonde and the rest of you miserable mean hearted elitists.
It´s my pleasure to add my name to the comments here as this is the unreported story of the year!
Harry

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Blair Suicide Story

02.11.2004 23:46
Sigla Mag on the suicide story: [link to www.siglamag.com]

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None of our business

11.11.2004 15:25
The mental health of someone cannot be blamed or reflected on parenting. This is none of our business and shouldnt be here, how can you blame the parenting of tony blair on his 16 year old´s mental stubility??

if Tony Blair wasnt the prime minster people would have nothing but sympathy for his family, this doesnt affect his ability to run the country. I am by no means a supporter of the labour party, but this should never influence anyones political view point.

It quite frankly shouldnt be avaliable public knowlege, if this was published in the press think of the effect it could have on his daughter. This isnt news, this is serious family issues which should be left well alone.

becky
Blair´s extended family issues

22.11.2004 11:11
I totally disagree with Blair´s daughter having to bear the brunt of her father´s job and reputation. However, i also disagree in control of the media by the Blairs for personal reasons which then lead to political benefit.

Blair´s daughter is not the only one causing difficulty for Tony - i have it on good report from several sources that his nephew Peter has been seen out and about causing trouble at all sorts of overpriced pretentious London drinking holes on the back of the Blair name.

His shameless use of the family name has also landed him a role at the Raindance film festival. Apparently at the request of his father and Tony´s brother Bill (notoriously private) again the press are keeping their distance. Will abuse like this ever stop?

Sam Seligman
Are the Blairs good Parents?I

06.12.2004 21:09
Of course the worse kept secret in the media. A story first leaked by my contacts in the press back in April of this year

That of Tony Blair’s daughter trying to commit suicide by a ‘drugs overdose’. So it appears that Cherie Blair has taken a back seat from her celebrity style career woman role in order to play mummy more to the children. Meanwhile Daddy just carries on with his ‘career’ in running the country.

I would confidentally figure think that neither of the Blair’s need to work anymore. With a mortgage arranged for £20 million (apparently based upon his earnings for when he does stand down from No 10)this would seem to confirm their financial security is far more secure than the rest of us mere mortgage mortals.

This tragic situation perfectly summarizes societies increasing obsession with aspiration, money, power and status over the simple ethos of creating a happy family unit, a corruptive greed that sees many parents oblivious to a children’s needs in their quest for a bigger home, more designer labels or more famous friends.

Personally in Blair’s shoes I would have stepped down and taken time out with my children at such a critical stage in their lives. After all Alan Milburn took a decisive step in this respect.

Instead here we have the two working parent family that work and play all the hours under the universe whereby a situation arises where one school age child is floundering with bottles of death pills and the other crashing out in vomit filled shop doorways clutching bottles of special brew lager.

The fact is Blair does not want to give up his career to stave off the spotlight. This puts his family under duress and the potential tragedy is that of his daughter succeeding in a future suicide attempt. I would question both the Blair’s judgment in putting aspiration over the root interests of their children.

The press may not want to publish this story because the editors are understandably in fear of losing their jobs. (A fact confirmed to me by a senior editor at one of the National Broadsheets)

However maybe the media should be brave and lift the lid and open up the greater debate of how parents and such aspiring lifestyles are damaging to our children.

Tony BLair only this week was stating ´We are not teaching our children aspiration´ - a remarkable comment in the circumstances!!!!

It may be late in the day to consider the Blairs stepping down as an ‘after the event scenario’ or indeed it may not - would you want to take that chance? I as a father in his position would not.

So a question; Should Tony step down in the way Alan Milburn has in order to play dad to his kids and get the family out of the media spotlight or should he carry on as he is knowing that his daughter is 13 paracetomals away from oblivion?

Terence Beckham
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Definitely a gagging order

16.12.2004 01:40
I was 100% informed by a London journalist on a daily broadsheet at the time, that the reason the press didn´t break the story is because a gagging order was placed on them forcing them not to break it, not because of any moral self regulation issues. Maybe they are waiting til May 2005?

I´ve often seen teenage suicides reported in the papers so am unsure why this one is different. I totally agree that morally it is NOT in the public interest.

HOWEVER David Kelly´s suicide directly caused by Blairs cover up of the truth that later came out was widely reported, what about his family? What about the soldier who´s flac jacket was taken and he was subsequently shot dead, what about his family. I can think of 5 suicides

I knew directly before I reached age 20, and only a few months ago a guy I knew really really well, my best m8´s cousin. It shouldn´t be a taboo subject.
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The rest here:

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There were some complaints when Blair issued his D-Notice banning order because it´s not meant to be used to cover-up personal embarrassments, just national security matters


You call an unfounded allegation as vile as this "personal embarrassment". Just because it´s on the internet doesn´t make it try despite what you lame brained sickos may thing. Actually... "think2 isn´t the right word. I feel really really sorry for you OP. You clearly lead a sad and unfulfilled life.
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OK, I just did a search for the word ´´rape´´ in this entire thread, and the ONLY place it appears is in the titles of the posts! (and twice in this one now, of course!rofl)

eg ´´Re: DID TONY BLAIR RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER KATHRYN?´´

OP, you´re making a very serious allegation about our leader, yet produce NO evidence to back it up!

I´d expect a knock on the door if I were you mate!

gangup
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Dude,

She was swapped with Dick Cheney´s daughter and it was Dick´s huge penis that really did the psychological damage to the kid.

Blair however, had a great time dressing up in drag (as so many brits enjoy) and Mary reportedly used a strapon with him similiarly.

HAHAH!
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your President enjoys getting shagged up the arse by the US Marine Corpsbutt
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Dick has the right name.
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If there be truth in it...then thats His Kharma, you have enough of your own to bear, dont enlarge it by spreading ´rumours´.
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15, " A knock on the door"??

Is that how things are done in UK these days?

Whatever happened to adult dicussion? Who benefits from ultra-secrecy?

Not you and me. That is for certain.
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888 rofl

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if there be truth in this we should hang and quarter the varment rocket
life is what you make it and what you think doesnt matter in this world
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´´Whatever happened to adult dicussion?´´

scratching

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OK, let´s have an ´´adult´´ conversation about that, shall we?

I said he can expect a knock on the door because, IMO, nobody is safe posting on the net! You can, and will if deemed necessary, be tracked down by TPTB, and dealt with accordingly!

Us AC´s are not as anonymous as most of us believe IMHO!

Or perhaps I´m wrong! Who knows?hiding
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What about daddy´s who drug their daughters and have sex with them? They know something has happened to them, but not sure. My sister thinks this is what happened to her, but will not discuss it with anyone in any way form or fashion. Spent years in therapy just sitting, and could not, or would not talk about it! I know this is what happened to her, because I am the one who had to witness her behavior growing up! It was not a pretty picture, and I myself spent years in therapy and it was absolutely the best thing I ever did for myself! Worth every penny of it!! Out of the three of us, one did not survive (Heroine overdose), and the two of us are lucky to be alive!! My Heavenly Father restored my mind!!
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What about Operation Ore in Scotland and the Blair government?
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I´m gonna jine our gay marines and hang out with naked men all day!

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Everyone outside of the UK has read stories in the press that prove the Blair administration is infested with paedophiles. Got caught out by Operation Ore ... and then Blair issued a D-Notice.

I feel so sorry for you Brits. You love sexual perverts for your leaders. What does that say about you?
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when the Labour Party issued their manifesto for the 1997 General Election, i do not recall Tony Blair saying "me and my colleagues are sexual deviants, please vote for me".

Admittedly we have had our fair share of politicians who can´t keep their trousers up, but i don´t think the UK is unique in that respect. Which brings me to John F Kennedy, who, while talking to the UK prime minister, Harold McMillan in a phone call, said "I don´t know about you Harold, but if i go more than 24 hours without sex, i get these terrible headaches"smooch
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´´I feel so sorry for you Brits. You love sexual perverts for your leaders. What does that say about you?´´

Don´t patronise me, you fucking prick!rofl
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Blair has raped all of us. Secrecy is tyranny. Know his daughter knows the truth.
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I heard about this on the Don Foster Show last year, so it´s not really news.
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This is where this site is beginning to show it´s colours, you fake fuckers, sitting there imagining one of the most disgraceful acts that exist on the planet, that the UK premier raped his own daughter, i hope, the site or those preaching the shite do get thier due. really i do.

Name one fuckin peodophile in the Blair government.

Also theres enough reporters in the UK, that would love to bring down the government, especially a Daily Mail one, so grow fuckin up.

Fucking nonces
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You know I´m FURIOUS with Tony Blair over MANY things he has done...particularly his moral support of the bush regime...but this goes too far. The poor girl was probably under enormous stress and did something not all that uncommon in teenagers...and the OP adds the word ´rape´ assuming that nobody will read the article which never mentions or insinuates ANY SUCH THING. SHAME ON YOU OP!!
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Uh...NO.

There are PLENTY OF REAL CRIMES as far as his govermnent that are plain to the eye to see...pretty irresponsible reporting, OP.

This is the way to play: Put out fake bullshit to discredit the non mainstream media.
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"Name one fuckin peodophile in the Blair government."
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Lord Robertson (Dunblane)

Alan Milburn (Resigned in 2004 for "family reasons" LOL)

Gordon Brown (Operation Ore)

Phillip Lyon (Blaire´s top aid, arrested in 2003)

Lord Goldsmith (Freemason and member of the paedophile Blackfriar´s Club)

Peter Mandelson (Europaedophile, chum of homo Ted Heath, RIP.)
Raymond UK
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11/28/2005 03:54 PM
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Re: DID TONY BLAIR RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER KATHRYN?
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Your comments show how fucking sick you are, there must be something wrong with a persons mind if they imagine others to be peodo´s. I´m sorry mate, but you need help in a serious way.

Or is it something your hiding, and your passing the buck, so to speak, i did an essay on Operation Ore, and yes some high officials, were arrested and convicted, but according to official documentation none were Blairs consorts.

Or and is every gay man a peodo, you have an hidden secret mate, it´s about time you got a gun put it to your mouth and pull the trigger. Because I´ve got the feeling you could be a peodo.
ipso
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11/28/2005 04:01 PM
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This is not the first time these allegations have been made, nor will it be the last, if only because there is substance to the.

The sad fact is that Tony Blair did in fact rape his daughter, and repeatedly so, in the early months of 2003. At that time, the British government at a senior level was being investigated by Special Branch officers as part of the Operation Ore crackdown on paedophiles.

The whole thing was covered up and Brown and Milburn walked away free men. Later, the stories were expunged from the internet, like this one:

Neil Mackay, Child porn arrests ´too slow´, The Sunday Herald, 19 Jan. 2003. [link to www.sundayherald.com]

in which an intelligence officer told the Herald that there were at least paedophiles in the Blair government.
allegro
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11/28/2005 04:17 PM
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Raymond,

You sound very young and naieve. You probably haven´t been exposed to this kind of information before. Welcome to the truth.

Instead of giving you zillions of links, google these terms:

blair+pedophiles
blair+paedophile
blair´s+pedophiles
blair´s+paedophiles

Other keywords: mandelson, brown, roberstson, child rape, goldsmith, satanism, freemasonry, freemason, paedophile labour, ...

Enjoy your learning process.
allegro
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11/28/2005 04:21 PM
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By the way,

Anyone who is quite happy to invade a sovereign country and kill thousands of its citizens is not likely to be deterred from raping young children if he´s that way inclined.

Breaking the law at an international level confers a sense of immunity to compliance with local laws.
Psychotic Erotic

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11/28/2005 04:28 PM
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Where´s the proof of this, though?

Yeah, I hate all these fuckers and their policies, but that doesn´t mean they are child rapists either, just cause you read it on "teh internets".

Where´s the evidence? Shouldn´t we demand evidence and hard facts, as opposed to hearsay, for EVERYTHING...whether it´s WMDS OR Child rape!

And that is BESIDES the point that at no point in the posted article does the ALLEGATION of said rape EVER appear except for in the user comments!!!!!!

Think about it.
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11/28/2005 04:35 PM
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Go through the archives and find Anders´ old thread on Blair´s Pedophiles -- there was a big "letters to the editor" campaign 18 months ago. Not one single reply. Some guy was told by an editor that they weren´t allow to comment on the reports.

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