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Update 06/16/12!Ron Paul and the Future of the Revolution!!!!!!

 
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Everyone associated with this movement needs to see this. First let me start by saying, Im a five year Paul supporter member of this libertarian movement. Also, helped to vote Rand into the US senate.

I keep seeing all these, "Ron Paul is going to win the nomination", threads. Hate to be the bubble buster, but No he is not. He has never claimed he would win, only that we are in a fight to secure as many delegates as possible, to have a voice at the convention to set the platform. Which is a major step from four years ago. Our movement is fighting a war to return the republican party to its conservative roots. This is just another battle in that war. The movement must continue after this nominating process is over. Im sure Dr. Paul would agree with me in that, this isnt about him, its about the movement he created. We must carry on after this is over. Which brings me to the point.

You need to stop getting peoples hopes up, setting them up for a big letdown. Paul supporters need to understand exactly whats going on here and what it means. We are changing the party one election process at a time. If the movement continues past this campaign, we have a real chance of winning the nomination in four years. With a new standard bearer of course. Dr. Pauls age would prevent another serious run. However Dr. Rand Paul is young, energetic, and already has name recognition.

In conclusion, I know what a lot of you are going to say. "Why give up now". Im not saying give up. Im saying absolutely, fight and claw for every delegate that we can get, the more the better. But dont set up members of the movement who dont really understand the goal of all of this, to become disheartened and give up the cause. We are winning in our own way, even without the nomination. We should be proud of the strides we have made, and continue fighting battles until inevitably we WILL WIN THIS WAR!!!!

I must add to the ending now. Paul has officially conceded that he can not be nominated. Rand has endorsed Romney, and became a player on the national scene. For all intents and purposes Rand is the new leader of our movement. After, Romney is defeated in November, we must work even harder than we did in the previous election cycles. 2016 can and will be the year that we take back the republican party from the neo-cons, and bring true constitutional principles. Back to the White House. Rand Paul 2016.

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Ron Pauls candidacy has ended. But the revolution lives on.

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Ron Paul has given up on becoming president. Yet supporters still clinging to the slim-to-none hope of nominating the libertarian-leaning congressman could complicate Mitt Romney's goal of a peaceful GOP national convention.

Paul backers have been taking over state Republican conventions in places like Nevada and Maine and plan to do the same in Iowa on Saturday in their effort to carry his banner to the national convention in Tampa, Fla.

Supporters say they hope to promote Paul's conservative principles that have sparked a loyal following of young voters and tea party activists by flooding ballots for the convention and urging changes to the party platform.

Since Paul's unsuccessful 2008 candidacy for the GOP nomination, his top organizers have set about working within the party's structure to gain influence, all with the hope of bending it toward principles he espouses: smaller government, sound monetary policy and a limited international military presence.
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Ron Paul is not conservative; this is just more idealistic romanticism of youth who hare quite ignorant of reality.


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continue fighting battles until inevitably we WILL WIN THIS WAR!!!!
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what war ???

there are no sides
all candidates belong to TPTB

Thread: Ron Paul is a Jesuit supported politician

dude, American politics are exactly
like pro wrestling ....
they scrape and cuss
one another in the ring

but they all get paid by the
same fellow.
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Wrong thread...

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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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You shills can say all you want but know this, Mitt Romney can not win without Paul supporters voting for him, and they won't. Romney will not beat Obama so the only way a Republican wins the white house this year is a brokered convention that Ron Paul wins.
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Ron Paul is the revolution. Liberals are afraid as their agenda is collapsing all around them.
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Im at work so cant get back to this thread as much as Id like. But this is a serious thread, about the future of this movement many of us have been involved with for 5 years now. Its about looking at what we have accomplished and what our goals should be moving forward. Cant believe its attracted trolls right off the bat. This is my message to the revolution, dont be discouraged by Romney's nomination, Obama will crush him and in 2016 we can hitch our wagon to Rand and keep making the strides that we have made over the last half decade. My point is dont let the movement die, it has to survive this one candidacy and this election cycle. Its not about the man its about the movement he created.
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Ron Paul is the revolution. Liberals are afraid as their agenda is collapsing all around them.
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Again, No. The revolution is the movement that Paul has created. We must take responsibility for that movement and make sure that it survives his political career. Paul is just the vehicle and it must continue. I would bet that Dr. Paul would agree with every statement I have made on this thread. We have made tremendous strides in five years, imagine what we will do in four more.....
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Another in the bag; Ron Paul wins Maine, page 1


I'm at the convention now, 15 delegates for Ron Paul, 6 more to elect and Romney's dickheads are trying to stuff the ballot with duplicate names to Ron Paul delegates, but that's pretty bland compared to all they did trying to rig the election yesterday...will tell more when I'm at a computer if people want to hear about it.
Edit: have a bit of free time so here's what went on yesterday:
the convention got delayed 2.5 hours off the bat because the Romney people came late
after the first vote elected the Ron Paul supporting candidate with about a10% lead, Romney's people started trying to stall and call in their friends, the chair was a Ron Paul supporter and won by 4 votes some hours later (after Romney's people tried and failed to steal some 1000 unclaimed badges for delegates (mostly Ron Paul supporters) who didn't show
everything was met with a recount, often several times
Romney people would take turns one at a time at the Ron Paul booth trying to pick fights with a group of Ron Paul supporters in an effort to get them kicked out, all attempts failed through the course of the day
the Romney supporters printed duplicate stickers to the Ron Paul ones for national delegates (same fonts, format, etc) with their nominees' names and tried to slip them into Ron Paul supporter's convention bags
in an attempt to stall and call in no-show delegates, Romney's people nominated no less than 200 random people as national delegates, then each went to stage one by one to withdraw their nomination
after two Ron Paul heavy counties voted and went home, Romney's people called a revote under some obscure rule and attempted to disqualify the two counties that had left (not sure if they were ever counted or not)
next they tried to disqualify all ballots and postpone voting a day, while a few of the Romney-campaigners tried to incite riots and got booed out of the convention center
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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yeah don't disappoint anybody. let's just plan on him losing now!!!lmao
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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I've stated multiple times, but I'll say it once more....

If Dr Paul gets on the ballot as the R nominee, I will vote for him.

If not, Gary Johnson 2012.

[link to www.garyjohnson2012.com]

Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 05/07/2012 12:34 PM
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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you just don't get it do ya ???

he ain't gonna change a damn thing
even if he gets elected.

but it won't ever happen cuz
Soros owns the voting machines.
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yeah don't disappoint anybody. let's just plan on him losing now!!!lmao
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More trolls. All the real Paul supporters are on that other thread deluding themselves into believing he will miraculously win nomination. Oh, and I am a political scientist, I dont get my information from MSM. I go straight to the states. My heart will be broken when all of these people tune out politics because Paul, didnt win and they feel that their voice doesnt make a difference.

"Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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you just don't get it do ya ???

he ain't gonna change a damn thing
even if he gets elected.

but it won't ever happen cuz
Soros owns the voting machines.
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putin
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Ron Paul is the revolution. Liberals are afraid as their agenda is collapsing all around them.
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What agenda? The help the poor agenda? That agenda is always in collapse and always still active.

I would actually like to see a small government, but then also a solution against poverty, and I think I got one. Not sure if any politician has it, even Ron Paul. But well, Paul is also not on a platform to help those who struggle.

Let me tell you my solution:
Ok, first we need a small government that isn't about top down decision making.
Then we need a culture change in how we run corporations. Right now we have those who own and control it, and those who work for it. And it gives a huge difference between rich and poor. What we should have is partnership and co-ownership.
Everybody who works in a corporations, from the ceo to the cleaning lady, should be partner and get an equal share of the profit!!!!
It is all about how many hours you put in, not about what you do.
Then we also need to get rid of a lot of bullshit that makes up a corporations. Most of the bullshit is there just so the top decision can reach the bottom.
But if we are all partners, if we all share equally in the profit and if workers are given a voice, we do not need a top deciding for the rest what to do. We can those who actually do the work make decision that affect them.
All decision should be made by those that affect it, not just the top. And all need to agree, not just the majority.

This way, we do not need weatlth redistribution, or a big government that is about spending. And we hardly have any poor. We can unlock our bikes, cars and houses again, cos nobody needs to steal.

The end.
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yeah don't disappoint anybody. let's just plan on him losing now!!!lmao
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More trolls. All the real Paul supporters are on that other thread deluding themselves into believing he will miraculously win nomination. Oh, and I am a political scientist, I dont get my information from MSM. I go straight to the states. My heart will be broken when all of these people tune out politics because Paul, didnt win and they feel that their voice doesnt make a difference.

"Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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i supported harry browne befor paul.

i just don't wanna hear any pre-game losing coach horseshit.

you wanna shit it? OK. kissup
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yeah don't disappoint anybody. let's just plan on him losing now!!!lmao
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More trolls. All the real Paul supporters are on that other thread deluding themselves into believing he will miraculously win nomination. Oh, and I am a political scientist, I dont get my information from MSM. I go straight to the states. My heart will be broken when all of these people tune out politics because Paul, didnt win and they feel that their voice doesnt make a difference.

"Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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i supported harry browne befor paul.

i just don't wanna hear any pre-game losing coach horseshit.

you wanna shit it? OK. kissup
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I would like nothing more than for Paul to be nominated. Realistically that just isnt going to happen. Again,if you would read the thread. I said we should not give up, we should fight for every delegate we can get. However, Im concerned about the younger voters that may be turned off when Romney is nominated. They need to understand how this is going to play out, and not be discouraged by this one election cycle.
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yeah don't disappoint anybody. let's just plan on him losing now!!!lmao
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More trolls. All the real Paul supporters are on that other thread deluding themselves into believing he will miraculously win nomination. Oh, and I am a political scientist, I dont get my information from MSM. I go straight to the states. My heart will be broken when all of these people tune out politics because Paul, didnt win and they feel that their voice doesnt make a difference.

"Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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i supported harry browne befor paul.

i just don't wanna hear any pre-game losing coach horseshit.

you wanna shit it? OK. kissup
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I would like nothing more than for Paul to be nominated. Realistically that just isnt going to happen. Again,if you would read the thread. I said we should not give up, we should fight for every delegate we can get. However, Im concerned about the younger voters that may be turned off when Romney is nominated. They need to understand how this is going to play out, and not be discouraged by this one election cycle.
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bump
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bumpbump and 5 stars.
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bumpbump and 5 stars.
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Thank you very much.
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Well, I guess that my fellow Paul supporters would rather be pandered to, than told the truth. Now I feel like the movement will die with this candidacy. Very sad indeed.
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Well, I guess that my fellow Paul supporters would rather be pandered to, than told the truth. Now I feel like the movement will die with this candidacy. Very sad indeed.
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[link to www.garyjohnson2012.com]

He will definitely be on the ballot.

Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 05/07/2012 03:01 PM
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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Vote for Ron Paul.
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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how about this.. DONT VOTE at all then.. if you are just gona write in your master its a waste of a vote.. Sit at home and eat your corn chips being failed key board warriors
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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how about this.. DONT VOTE at all then.. if you are just gona write in your master its a waste of a vote.. Sit at home and eat your corn chips being failed key board warriors
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Again obviously you didnt read the thread. This movement needs to move beyond Paul now. Im sorry that Romney will never be president. And im not a failed keyboard warrior, I work for a living like most Paul supporters. Bachelors in Political Science, Im not an idiot, or a laymen when it comes to politics. Read the thread before you post unfounded nonsense.
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Well, I guess that my fellow Paul supporters would rather be pandered to, than told the truth. Now I feel like the movement will die with this candidacy. Very sad indeed.
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[link to www.garyjohnson2012.com]

He will definitely be on the ballot.
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No, we need real power to manifest change. Our system is set up to be a two party system. If we cant retake the republican party from the neo-cons, then we are lost.
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OP, I appreciate your support for Ron Paul, thanks for all your postings. I hope you keep it up. I don't agree with you completely on things, but that's ok. You could turn that sentence around toward me and be just as justified to hold your views.

I understand what you are saying about the need to change the Republican Party. If we can. I would rather do that as well. But just as you said this is a process in your opening remarks. If we have to go multi-party in the long haul, then, whether we want to or not, we may have to. I'm not talking this elections cycle either. I'm not advocating a RP third party run this time around.

But I totally disagree with your comment that this was set up for a two-party system. You have swallowed the very cool-aid that enables TPTB to maintain control. No where in the constitution or in any U.S. government document in existence does it state that our political system is supposed to only support two (2) parties. Gross misunderstanding on that one, my friend.

There comes a time when a people has to separate themselves from the corrupting influence of established proceedures and protocols that foster death and decay. In fact I will say with a certainty, that the day is coming when all people from both parties that can no longer, with clear conscience support their respective party platforms, they must leave and join with others that will bring the necessary pressures to bear on the government to return to it's constitutionally derived mandate.
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Well, I guess that my fellow Paul supporters would rather be pandered to, than told the truth. Now I feel like the movement will die with this candidacy. Very sad indeed.
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[link to www.garyjohnson2012.com]

He will definitely be on the ballot.
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No, we need real power to manifest change. Our system is set up to be a two party system. If we cant retake the republican party from the neo-cons, then we are lost.
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Yes, of course.

the dichotomy must be maintained.

God bless our two-party system...



I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The response to my thread disappoints me. Will all the Paul supporters at least make a pledge? That no matter what happens in Tampa, we wont vote for Romney or Obama. Thus, making it clear to TPTB that we will have no other candidate than one who advocates the return of this country to this Jeffersonian principles on which it was founded.
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OP, I appreciate your support for Ron Paul, thanks for all your postings. I hope you keep it up. I don't agree with you completely on things, but that's ok. You could turn that sentence around toward me and be just as justified to hold your views.

I understand what you are saying about the need to change the Republican Party. If we can. I would rather do that as well. But just as you said this is a process in your opening remarks. If we have to go multi-party in the long haul, then, whether we want to or not, we may have to. I'm not talking this elections cycle either. I'm not advocating a RP third party run this time around.

But I totally disagree with your comment that this was set up for a two-party system. You have swallowed the very cool-aid that enables TPTB to maintain control. No where in the constitution or in any U.S. government document in existence does it state that our political system is supposed to only support two (2) parties. Gross misunderstanding on that one, my friend.

There comes a time when a people has to separate themselves from the corrupting influence of established proceedures and protocols that foster death and decay. In fact I will say with a certainty, that the day is coming when all people from both parties that can no longer, with clear conscience support their respective party platforms, they must leave and join with others that will bring the necessary pressures to bear on the government to return to it's constitutionally derived mandate.
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