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I'm a bit confused about this 'Ron Paul' thing... please help me

 
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I'm a bit confused about this 'Ron Paul' thing... please help me
As far I can see, Ron Paul seems to gather large number of people to watch and listen the guy in his speeches. Same over the internet, the support is just amazing. But when it comes to Romney, it seems that the 'crowd' following him is really low in comparison.

In the other hand, Romney wins a lot of primaries, and Paul support in those is the lowest.

Since I'm not in the US, following this whole thing is a bit confusing and sounds completely contradictory.

How come Romney wins the primaries but Paul get's apparently the vast majority of popular support?

I just want to know if you can honestly explain this to me.
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the election has been rigged since day 1
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the election has been rigged since day 1
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Ok let's suppose that, what evidence does exist of such a thing? If that's the case, why is that Paul didn't openly stated there's suspicious things regarding the primaries?
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The supporters of Ron Paul are very adamant and active about him, while Romney supporters just go out and vote they don't want to go see him or spread the word for him they are just lazy sheep.
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The supporters of Ron Paul are very adamant and active about him, while Romney supporters just go out and vote they don't want to go see him or spread the word for him they are just lazy sheep.
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So they lose a day or a morning or whatever to go and vote the guy, but then won't even bother to go and listen his speeches? Makes no sense to me.
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The supporters of Ron Paul are very adamant and active about him, while Romney supporters just go out and vote they don't want to go see him or spread the word for him they are just lazy sheep.
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So they lose a day or a morning or whatever to go and vote the guy, but then won't even bother to go and listen his speeches? Makes no sense to me.
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That's America
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the media hypes up romney because they don't like paul. it's like if you keep repeating the same thing over and over people will start to believe it, it's some sort of brainwashing technique.

but since the actual delegate counts are coming in now the media is being forced to report on the actual numbers.
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the election has been rigged since day 1
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Ok let's suppose that, what evidence does exist of such a thing? If that's the case, why is that Paul didn't openly stated there's suspicious things regarding the primaries?
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The supporters of Ron Paul are very adamant and active about him, while Romney supporters just go out and vote they don't want to go see him or spread the word for him they are just lazy sheep.
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So they lose a day or a morning or whatever to go and vote the guy, but then won't even bother to go and listen his speeches? Makes no sense to me.
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That's America
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Well that's nonsense to me. I would expect that the apparent 'most popular' candidate will get the majority of the votes.
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the media hypes up romney because they don't like paul. it's like if you keep repeating the same thing over and over people will start to believe it, it's some sort of brainwashing technique.

but since the actual delegate counts are coming in now the media is being forced to report on the actual numbers.
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I understand what you say and I agree, I've watched some debates, I was like everyone of you witness on how they would almost ignore Paul.

But again, things changes in speeches, rallies and such. If the 'brainwashed people' were such massive, I would expect public speeches of Romney full of them. It doesn't seem the case.
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Ok, I'm going to try to give some insight on this.

The United States are made up of 50 states, plus the U.S. territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Primaries are held by states and territories. The states are made up of counties or parishes. Precints in the counties vote. The votes are counted by the precinct judges and then each precint has a precinct convention where county convention delegates are chosen. Each precinct chairman and the elected county delegates from that precinct certify the vote and the precinct vote totals are reported to the county election coordinator. Each county then has a county convention. The state delegates are chosen at the county convention. Then the state has a state convention. The state delegates go to the state convention to report their county's vote totals. Then the state convention elects national delegates to go to the nation convention. The national delegates go to the national convention to report their vote totals.

But here is the kicker. There is a wide variance to whether or not the national delegates chosen at the state convention have to vote like the general populace voted in their respective state. Many are give free reign to vote however they choose.

It was set up that way in the beginning so that TPTB could override the will of the people and put whoever they wanted in office. The only thing is, the fat cats got lazy, and while they lay at home licking their whiskers on election day, the people decided to use their own rules against them. The Ron Paul people decided to show up at the precinct, county, and state conventions. There was more of them than stooges for the TPTB. So, RP delegates are being chosen to go to the national convention. Romney thought they had it in the bag. Think again.

TPTB have one more ace up their sleeve though, it is called the Electoral College which works the same way as what I have just described, but on the national level. I don't know how the electors are chosen. Hence there is always discussion in each election about the difference between the "popular" vote and the vote of the electoral college.

Stay tuned, it will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Re: I'm a bit confused about this 'Ron Paul' thing... please help me
the election has been rigged since day 1
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Ok let's suppose that, what evidence does exist of such a thing? If that's the case, why is that Paul didn't openly stated there's suspicious things regarding the primaries?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15697056



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Thanks Laura, I didn't know about that video declaration.
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Ok, I'm going to try to give some insight on this.

The United States are made up of 50 states, plus the U.S. territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Primaries are held by states and territories. The states are made up of counties or parishes. Precints in the counties vote. The votes are counted by the precinct judges and then each precint has a precinct convention where county convention delegates are chosen. Each precinct chairman and the elected county delegates from that precinct certify the vote and the precinct vote totals are reported to the county election coordinator. Each county then has a county convention. The state delegates are chosen at the county convention. Then the state has a state convention. The state delegates go to the state convention to report their county's vote totals. Then the state convention elects national delegates to go to the nation convention. The national delegates go to the national convention to report their vote totals.

But here is the kicker. There is a wide variance to whether or not the national delegates chosen at the state convention have to vote like the general populace voted in their respective state. Many are give free reign to vote however they choose.

It was set up that way in the beginning so that TPTB could override the will of the people and put whoever they wanted in office. The only thing is, the fat cats got lazy, and while they lay at home licking their whiskers on election day, the people decided to use their own rules against them. The Ron Paul people decided to show up at the precinct, county, and state conventions. There was more of them than stooges for the TPTB. So, RP delegates are being chosen to go to the national convention. Romney thought they had it in the bag. Think again.

TPTB have one more ace up their sleeve though, it is called the Electoral College which works the same way as what I have just described, but on the national level. I don't know how the electors are chosen. Hence there is always discussion in each election about the difference between the "popular" vote and the vote of the electoral college.

Stay tuned, it will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Pretty enlighten information, thanks.
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I would love to read anything about the suspicious of rigged primaries. I suspect nothing was actually proved so far.
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Ok, I'm going to try to give some insight on this.

The United States are made up of 50 states, plus the U.S. territories such as Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Primaries are held by states and territories. The states are made up of counties or parishes. Precints in the counties vote. The votes are counted by the precinct judges and then each precint has a precinct convention where county convention delegates are chosen. Each precinct chairman and the elected county delegates from that precinct certify the vote and the precinct vote totals are reported to the county election coordinator. Each county then has a county convention. The state delegates are chosen at the county convention. Then the state has a state convention. The state delegates go to the state convention to report their county's vote totals. Then the state convention elects national delegates to go to the nation convention. The national delegates go to the national convention to report their vote totals.

But here is the kicker. There is a wide variance to whether or not the national delegates chosen at the state convention have to vote like the general populace voted in their respective state. Many are give free reign to vote however they choose.

It was set up that way in the beginning so that TPTB could override the will of the people and put whoever they wanted in office. The only thing is, the fat cats got lazy, and while they lay at home licking their whiskers on election day, the people decided to use their own rules against them. The Ron Paul people decided to show up at the precinct, county, and state conventions. There was more of them than stooges for the TPTB. So, RP delegates are being chosen to go to the national convention. Romney thought they had it in the bag. Think again.

TPTB have one more ace up their sleeve though, it is called the Electoral College which works the same way as what I have just described, but on the national level. I don't know how the electors are chosen. Hence there is always discussion in each election about the difference between the "popular" vote and the vote of the electoral college.

Stay tuned, it will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
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Pretty enlighten information, thanks.
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Voting in the primaries counts for very little. The primary results are what you see reported in the news with the implication that Romney is winning. Note that voting in the primaries is usually done with Diebold electronic "black box" voting machines, which have been implicated in voter fraud in the last two elections in several states.

What *really* matters is who shows up to be a delegate. The delegates make the decisions at the local, state, and national levels. Romney simply does not have enough popular support to swarm the delegate conventions like Paul supporters do.
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Listen, this isn't rocket science. Just look at human history. It is everywhere you look.

When things get more and more serious for the masses, i.e. too much taxation, too little income, too little food, etc. etc. etc. then the people begin to rise up, because they are concerned, they don't like the way things are going or where they are headed.

Look at the American revolution, or any revolution for that matter. People get to a breaking point. They say we are not going to take it anymore.

The swelling activism that is currently becoming visible in the Ron Paul supporters is a message to both the Democrats and the Republicans that the people are saying "We've had it. We are not drinking either of your camps' kool-aid any longer."

The globalisit, banker elites, that try to "fix" things in their favor through things like the Federal Reserve, or the IMF, etc. have sucked up enough blood and sweat without adequate compensation from the masses. The masses are about to say no more.

But, TPTB have a plan for when that happens. It is called forced depopulation. First they try to accomplish this by getting the masses to kill each other through wars. They also have a plan to bring this about through chemical or biological agents used upon large segments of the population. But if that doesn't seem feasible due to a lack of time due to the rapid deterioration of their secure position, then they even have plans to use nuclear weapon on the masses.

If you don't believe me then you should research THE EXTINCTION PROTOCOL. This is a plan for dealing with a large, unhappy, hungry, angry, restless world population that was outlined in a thesis written by one of U.S. President Barack Obama's closest National Security Advisors, Audra Tomlinson. The thesis has been sealed as Top Secret, and scrubbed from the internet, but you can still find references to it. This plan has been floated to all the heads of all the governments of the world to reflect upon (seeding their thoughts) for the eventuality of it being needed.

I'm not trying to sow hopelessness or fatalism, because I'm not without hope and fatalistic in my world view, but I'm a christian, so that probably helps me deal with it all. No, I know it helps me deal with it all.
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imo, the msm is flat out lying about the popular vote in these primaries. ron paul wins every online poll that cannot be manipulated and has way more show up to his rallies. don't underestimate the power of the fed.
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Listen, this isn't rocket science. Just look at human history. It is everywhere you look.

When things get more and more serious for the masses, i.e. too much taxation, too little income, too little food, etc. etc. etc. then the people begin to rise up, because they are concerned, they don't like the way things are going or where they are headed.

Look at the American revolution, or any revolution for that matter. People get to a breaking point. They say we are not going to take it anymore.

The swelling activism that is currently becoming visible in the Ron Paul supporters is a message to both the Democrats and the Republicans that the people are saying "We've had it. We are not drinking either of your camps' kool-aid any longer."

The globalisit, banker elites, that try to "fix" things in their favor through things like the Federal Reserve, or the IMF, etc. have sucked up enough blood and sweat without adequate compensation from the masses. The masses are about to say no more.

But, TPTB have a plan for when that happens. It is called forced depopulation. First they try to accomplish this by getting the masses to kill each other through wars. They also have a plan to bring this about through chemical or biological agents used upon large segments of the population. But if that doesn't seem feasible due to a lack of time due to the rapid deterioration of their secure position, then they even have plans to use nuclear weapon on the masses.

If you don't believe me then you should research THE EXTINCTION PROTOCOL. This is a plan for dealing with a large, unhappy, hungry, angry, restless world population that was outlined in a thesis written by one of U.S. President Barack Obama's closest National Security Advisors, Audra Tomlinson. The thesis has been sealed as Top Secret, and scrubbed from the internet, but you can still find references to it. This plan has been floated to all the heads of all the governments of the world to reflect upon (seeding their thoughts) for the eventuality of it being needed.

I'm not trying to sow hopelessness or fatalism, because I'm not without hope and fatalistic in my world view, but I'm a christian, so that probably helps me deal with it all. No, I know it helps me deal with it all.
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