None of the candidates for President give a shit about the environment or the state of the planet

The bi-party system is in the shitter. The whole left and right debate isn't working because it's not the right combination of fiscal and social policies.

Democrat:
Fiscally liberal - Tax alot, spend alot
Socially liberal - Let people do what they want as long as they don't hurt someone

Republican:
Fiscally conservative - Tax less, spend less...supposedly
Socially conservative - If it can be considered immoral, it's illegal

Now...why would they make you choose between these? Because each option allows for government control. They must have their grimy fingers in you life. If you elect a Democrat, you're going to have the Feds all over your money. If you vote Republican, you have to deal with the dogmatic beliefs of Christian morality being shoved down your throat with great force.

For a while, I voted Republican for the sole fact that I'm more concerned with the economy than my own personal qualms with their social laws. This is because of that pesky degree in economics. It'll change you for good if you have one.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I'm not republican...I'm Libertarian. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Libertarian:
Fiscally conservative - Tax less, spend less
Socially liberal - Let people do what they want as long as they don't hurt someone

That's the definition of a crazy Libertarian.
It's all based around every person's inherent rights to life, liberty, and property.
Socially, if it doesn't harm someone's life, deprive them of their freedom, or take away their property, it shouldn't be illegal. This is pretty simple. Live by this and non-violent citizens will never have to fear the police.
Concerning re-distribution of wealth...it's considered plunder.

Legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways; hence, there are an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, bonuses, subsidies, incentives, the progressive income tax, free education, the right to employment, the right to profit, the right to wages, the right to relief, the right to the tools of production, interest free credit, etc., etc. And it the aggregate of all these plans, in respect to what they have in common, legal plunder, that goes under the name of socialism.

The mission of the law is not to oppress persons and plunder them of their property, even though the law may be acting in a philanthropic spirit. Its purpose is to protect persons and property.... If you exceed this proper limit -- if you attempt to make the law religious, fraternal, equalizing, philanthropic, industrial, or artistic -- you will then be lost in uncharted territory, in vagueness and uncertainty, in a forced utopia or, even worse, in a multitude of utopias, each striving to seize the law and impose it on you.

- Frederic Bastiat

[link to bastiat.org]

The government is meant to protect the citizens. It should have no interests of its own. To provide defense at home and from abroad...It's not within the rights of the government to levy taxes on wages. It's not in their authority to deprive us of liberties in the privacy of our homes.

Republicans and Democrats both have utterly failed in these simply defined tasks. I hate the word Republican. I hate the word Democrat. To me, they equal oppression. They force you to choose between monetary oppression and social oppression.
Ron Paul has historically run as a Libertarian. That's because that's what he is. He's not fooling very many people into believing that he's a Republican. That's why you won't see him on the ticket. They are scared of him.
He stands to eliminate the gubbermints dirty hands from our lives by putting them to work on what they were originally there for; Providing the defense of our life, liberty, and property.

The air and water is much cleaner and the Bald Eagle still survives BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY AND IN SPITE OF SHITHEADS LIKE SHR AND SCRUMP.

What I'm suggesting is that we keep one one-millionth of the money we spend on stupid wars and tax cuts for our rich overlords and spend it on keeping species from going EXTINCT FOREVER.

Is that too much to ask?

Well stated.

Go further.

Only developing nations dedicated to R&D (done by corporations) will allow us to reach a place where we can exist on "green" energy.

Any leap toward the bogus ideal world lead by a "green economy" will actually require the deaths of a few BILLION people.

How can you grow food for the present numbers on the planet without diesel powered tractors or deliver it without cargo ships, trains and semi-trucks. How do you sustain industry without nuclear or coal fired electric plants?

And, btw, how much coal or natural gas does Japan produce locally? There is a reason they need nuclear.

The only way the government can help to build a stronger energy future is to get out of the way and provide massive tax incentives for DEVELOPMENT of new technologies.

You cannot take away desire for personal growth as an incentive and expect innovation.

Right now, the radicalization of our system is KILLING desire for personal growth and the need for one to take control of one's future and it is being replaced by "don't worry, we'll do that for you."

That isn't what built this nation.

Self determination, self responsibility, and a strong desire to be independent and build a better life for one's children is what drove this nation.

IMHO, greed is a direct result of the radical sixties and what the hippies did when they figured out they could just manipulate and live off the good will and wealth of hard working people and most of them couldn't care less about rabbits and frogs and old growth forests.

BTW, OP, if your children were starving and the only food you could get was to haunt a rabbit, kill it, skin it and feed it to your children, would they starve to death?

Life is full of hard choices and some of them suck but the alternative sucks worse.

Totally agree save for one thing...reverse the spending money part, that NEVER works and we've already done that. The grifters in between are the only ones who benefit and they only continue to benefit as long as nothing happens to solve the problem. Want results?...STOP spending and sending money to countries that aren't good stewards...especially when WE are and we've already spent our own money to do it....you choke em off?...they'll learn real fast or stop one way or the other.

We've wasted enough money with corrupt imbeciles in whatever various agencies on these save the world "programs", they only self perpetuate so they can continue soaking up funds.

Frankly we've given far too much to other countries that are either completely and violently retarded with either an anti-American agenda or total disregard for the USA or totally devastate their own resources like Haiti and then have their hands out begging forever.

We can do it here at home and do it right. That will be far better for us as well as the entire planet, so get with it ecotards, quit allowing yourselves to be used. Once we put aside the agenda driven irrational fear mongering and stop giving it the credibility it never deserved in the first place, the results will speak for themselves and those results will be light years ahead of what any emerging shit hole polluting country will be doing.

So get out of the way, because you are being used to perpetuate what you claim to be fighting against.

I call that a 95% WIN....and I'm a Conservative / Independent.
...therefore YOU are uber clueless.



Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 05/08/2012 04:53 PM

Winmills, which you ecotards love kill more eagles and birds than the fuckin plague. We also spend far more than one millionth of what we spend on the fear mongering parrot points now...derp.

Go breathe into an organic paper bag or sumthin and quit flippin out like a tard...you're starting to lose it!

Go eat a nice Dolphin sammich, it's good for you!

Very well said...but watch out for the little known condition of "Rabbit starvation"...look it up...go with some Bambi stew too.. or maybe some grilled Nemos on a stick...with butter!...;)

THe global warning hoax is Agenda 21.

Who cares.

EnviroTards are THE worst.

Who would care if you dropped dead tomorrow?

I certainly wouldn't because there would be billions of you dumbasses still left on the planet.

But if Tigers went extinct I would be extremely upset.

Except for southerners, texans, repugnicans, corporate shills, sheeple, rightwingers, and morans.

OP? I think you are missing a vital issue of major importance. Flame away.

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You want to compare the TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan "wars" and the rethuglican tax cuts tilted towards the rich against the budget of the Endangered Species Act?


You want to do that, Ghenghis SHR??

No, corporate ass-kissing materialistic consumers are the worst.

why you hate so much bro?

And please add, The Magic Force would remove every single way for anything to kill anything else. A whole day without those two Forces would be amazing.

However, Im afraid that the Cycle of Force is just emerging.

I agree with you on this SHR.

Pfft....f*cking commies.



Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 05/08/2012 05:19 PM

Lady, you're hysterical.

Take a deep breath and drink some chamomile tea or something.

BINGO.

Thinking about this gives me the chills.

Go further.

Kill God, and there is no such thing as inalienable rights.

Once they kill God, they can kill anyone they want because there is no such thing as a "civil right".

Kill God, and forget about Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That's when it gets real.

That's when I channel my inner Patrick Henry.



"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased

at the price of chains and slavery?

Forbid it, Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take;

but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"



Amen.

Huh?

What is your point?

Sure go ahead, it's waaaay more than the "One millionth" bullshit number you barfed up with your fear mongering hate filled tired blab points.

And the fact remains...America has done more for ANY endagered species on this than any other country that is even NEAR our size and industrial might...you think they even have an "endangered species act" in China?....lol...they kill more PEOPLE than we kill doody worms or any other dumbass probably would have been extinct on it's own 50 years ago species.

BTW....YOU just croaked a species of tardfly by using your computer for the last 20 minutes...the poor tardfly...wasn't hurting anyone and just wanted to live, but YOU KILLED IT FOREVER!...I did it too...I wasted a pussworm species, but I'm ok with it.



Last Edited by SHR on 05/08/2012 05:26 PM

My dog, a 90 lb environmental disaster, ate 2 squirrels and shit them out in the yard this week.

He didn't need 'em. He just wanted 'em.

I said, "Good boy!!!"

Sorry but death is not only a part of nature and the engine of life, it's a very necessary one. Without it?...every single living breathing thing would die in total when the biosphere reached critical mass, which it certainly would and probably in pretty short order.

He probably saved a whole species of fartoads by eating those tree rats...might want to rename him "Greenie"!

OP I could agree more!!! Kudos for drawing attention to it.

I think America's best bet is to vote for the Green party in the upcoming elections.

I totally don't agree with 'environmentalist' extremism and guilt...like trying to ban incandescent lights (if CFLs are just as good, let the market decide), or making people feel like THEY are responsible when nuclear or whatever pollute because THEY didn't recycle enough or kept the A/C too high...No, the individual member of society isn't the thing that's destroying the earth... he/she can choose to recycle or whatever if he/she wants to...but this guilt is totally misplaced...and I won't put up with any attempts like that and I don't suggest you tolerate it either.

However, there really are companies getting away with destroying the planet we need to survive off of, none in a more devastating way than nuclear...if the grid ever fails in a big way, like due to a CME or something,* we won't have parts manufactured to get it back online (they take 2 years to make and we don't have backups) and meanwhile IF the plants' emergency diesel generators all work perfectly, each plant has between a few hours to a few days before it starts overheating and melting down...

Nobody will be more affected by something like that than Americans... with 100 out of approximately 400 reactors worldwide...but obviously, if more than a few of your reactors go, it's just a matter of the time the winds take to reach the rest of our countries for the rest of the world population to die too.

This is an urgent situation and why your only option today is to vote green if you value human life! And at the same time, don't allow anyone to push "green guilt" on you that you're not recycling enough or your lightbulbs are too selfishly warm spectrum...if that! Don't let them push it on you when it's really about the elite mega-corps. But you really need to stop those mega-corps NOW!



*we have a 12% chance of having a super-CME, Carrington event size, in the next 10 years, say scientists (look it up)...and while that would definitely cause this disaster, we probably need much less to burn out the grid, so the odds are really high now. Let's not get into all the other potential causes either... the sun risk is effing high ehough by itself.

The President we have now doesn't give a shit about the environment either.

Yes. That's true.

Dems or Reps won't do it. You need a strong third party in the game... in the house, in the senate... 3 parties prevents deadlock and keeps whoever is the dominant party accountable (if they dominant party starts acting like a huge turd, the other two parties can prevent it from doing so). I truly believe Green is your best bet to be that third party at this time.

Reading this thread about Earth and politics, one gets the impression that our thoughts are traveling at safe speed under good guidance.