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One should not judge based on their preconceived notions.
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What it comes down to with all of these horrible stories of human behavior is what is the best that YOU can do about it? thumbs


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this is what most fail to understand about the book of genesis,
Yaweh Elohim created man TWICE, not once. First he created the different races of the earth, THEN he created Adam and Eve to start a chosen bloodline. It was during this second act of creation that the Godhead "breathed life into his nostrils and he became a living soul". It's all right there. The implications obviously would cause the greatest holy war the world has ever seen.
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Where does this info come from?
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The seemingly two creation stories in Genesis.

The first says that God created man and told him to be fruitful and multiply. Then, in the next chapter, it says the the Lord God, made man and then breathed life into him.....

It seems to show two seperate creations of man....either thaat, or the bible is just repeating the first creation story in greater detail.
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people need to throw their bibles AWAY, the world might be better for it. the OT is becoming worse by the day and so is the NT.
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The Matrix material goes into what the author calls "minion incarnations" (use Google)

An interesting concept.
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One should not judge based on their preconceived notions.
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True.
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1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the jewish people:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:1-8
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I don't think the fact that a human has or lacks of a soul can be determined by just looking at them (like when we are on meds or depressed) or by judging our actions. I believe (and pls correct me if i'm wrong) that we all, souless or not, are given the FREE WILL to make with our lives and destiny as we please. Some humans just choose to do what the rest of society considers wrong but probably is not for lack of *spirit*soul*spark* but just a matter of choice... a psychopath or sociopath could still have soul and spirit but still commit the most henious crimes just because they choose (without knowing it probably) to vibrate and serve the "dark" entities, they can relate to other peoples pain but still enjoy the experience as they feed on that fear and anguish. On the other side, the "good" ones may not commit crimes and do no wrong according to our morals but still be souless/spiritless, just "existing" beings, unable to feel or connect to what others feel, like a ~void~ of what makes us human.

It's not only a judging thing. Hard to explain but it goes far beyond that.

From my perspective (and experience) it's something more profound, like a recognition/connection that we see and perceive on others when SEE them. .. I work in healthcare and i've seen my fair share of human nature, in some cases, patients with alzheimer's or even in a coma with still that *spark of life* in their eyes even when they are unresponsive or on the other hand, healthy but empty humans...

@NIP: any thoughts?
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Very interesting. You put words to my thoughts. I've noticed this too on some adults but also in children (2 relatives, boys age 10 and 12). Their eyes are empty, they are completely functional, average intelligence, bodily functions fine but there is that *something* missing deep inside them... I mean, they are fine but other than play videogames and interact when needed they are mostly like automats... one is currently taking meds for add and the other is not but still it amazes me the lack of **life*spirit*fire*spark** this humans have... I noticed that but never thought anything other than they were the product of their parents but now this theory adds an interesting twist to this situation...
Why do you think this is happening? are they some other dimension beings or just too self absorbed and egocentric?
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Well maybe someone or something has run out of souls lol. Too many people being born on planet Earth.
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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
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this is what most fail to understand about the book of genesis,
Yaweh Elohim created man TWICE, not once. First he created the different races of the earth, THEN he created Adam and Eve to start a chosen bloodline. It was during this second act of creation that the Godhead "breathed life into his nostrils and he became a living soul". It's all right there. The implications obviously would cause the greatest holy war the world has ever seen.
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Where does this info come from?
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from the Holy Spirit, when you seek God's truth in your heart he will reveal it to you. as far as the poster after you calling this complete BS, that's the expected reaction to this truth and the reason it would cause a massive war.
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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
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these ones are developing KNOWING not "beliefs". The being "reborn" is the rise of one's kundalini, not attending church and believing on jesus.
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More spiritual hogwash.whatever
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Hey NiP when you have some time can you share some more thoughts with us with regards to how one's consciousness would experience the 'ascension' as you have come to understand it? How would it be experienced in an individual sense, how would it be experienced in a collective sense? For example, would your consciousness be aware that others around you are ascending? Does it happen collectively or do we 'ascend' individually on our own timeline?

Thanks for your input. cool2

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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
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these ones are developing KNOWING not "beliefs". The being "reborn" is the rise of one's kundalini, not attending church and believing on jesus.
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oh great another bible hating kundalini demon jockey, stop being a puppet for the disembodied ones.
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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15605297


these ones are developing KNOWING not "beliefs". The being "reborn" is the rise of one's kundalini, not attending church and believing on jesus.
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oh great another bible hating kundalini demon jockey, stop being a puppet for the disembodied ones.
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Those who have managed to raise their kundalini are Not followers but independent thinkers. This should be the goal. Kundalini rising results from connecting the junk DNA by the developing mind of the god seeking individual. There is nothing DEMONIC about it.
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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15605297


these ones are developing KNOWING not "beliefs". The being "reborn" is the rise of one's kundalini, not attending church and believing on jesus.
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I tell you it's so humorous to me that you used this term. Because it made me look it up for the first time ever.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Consider this excerpt:
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Involuntary jerks, tremors, shaking, itching, tingling, and crawling sensations, especially in the arms and legs
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For a period of several months I was convinced I had bed bugs, even though I could not see any physical traces of them. I had been feeling bugs crawling all over my limbs in bed for a long time. Often pin pricks too, like I was being bitten, but never any bite marks... After several unsuccessful attempts to spring the covers off me and catch them in the act with my flashlight, I started to feel like maybe I had a parasitic infection in my skin and needed to see a dermatologist about it.

Looking back now, I can laugh about it. That ego really took me for a ride. I know what I am experiencing and going through now, but I get a real laugh over how the physical symptoms or manifestations get misinterpreted by the ego mind. Don't get me going about the 'personal earthquakes' I was experiencing in my bed in my waking moments either. tounge

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8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 3:8

I like this part.

I read that those 'born of the spirit' don't have hardened beliefs but have flexible beliefs. They are aware that they are more than their body therefore there isn't a need to invest a sense of ego in their thoughts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15605297


these ones are developing KNOWING not "beliefs". The being "reborn" is the rise of one's kundalini, not attending church and believing on jesus.
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oh great another bible hating kundalini demon jockey, stop being a puppet for the disembodied ones.
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Consider that you are trying to perceive the 'taste' of an exotic food that you have never consumed before. You can spend all day reading about how others have experienced that 'taste' or sensation, but you'll never fully comprehend the 'taste' until you experience it for yourself. You are trying to conceptualize something you have not experienced, and thus, it does not resonate with you. Ask a child to conceptualize what his or her consciousness will be like when he/she is an adult. The child cannot do it, because he/she has not lived that experience yet. I'm not inferring you are a child, just making an analogy that is easier to grasp.

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WOW ! where did you get all this info NIP? can you post some links for further reading? and what is a "causal" body?

Another thing I've noticed on these boys is that they are unable to feel *empathy*, i mean, they cry and all but is like they don't really connect with other peoples emotions, they are not cruel either (thank goodness!) but they don't connect or understand what feelings/suffering/sorrow is even when this is coming from their closest loved ones... more like indifferent and oblivious... makes sense?

BTW: this is a very interesting topic, thank you for sharing it!

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Lack of empathy and inability to "connect" sounds a bit like autism.
The numbers are skyrocketing now...
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A word of warning on a course on miracles if you have a football team you need an offense and a defense,this book will teach you higher order egyptian magic which in some instances will allow miracles if the mind of the miracle recipient is ready so it gives you a 10000lb bomb in offense but no defense.For defense you need years of experience and obedience to attain the spiritual authority to wield power if you do not have this backing and you use this book you can unleash hell upon yourself.
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A matrix control mechanism has it in for me and has been directing its matrix zombies to work against me in several situations that I need handled.

It seems the system will not allow me to acquire assistance that is available for people in situations that require help for low income people.

The programs are there but are extremely allusive and always just out of my reach with some excuse why I will not be allowed services.

The matrix zombies seem to be following orders from somewhere beneath reality since I cannot pin them down for answers.

Whatever it is, it is working against my efforts whereby I see no easy way to conquer the zombie effect.
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Another brilliant thread, its times like this that makes my day and GLP worthwhile.

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As always the lack of a spiritual connection may be genetic- While everybody being soul containers, some people are psychopaths, sociopaths or they don't have a sense or trust in a benevolent entity or entities or doing the moral thing.

Perhaps this world is Purgatory where all souls go through a test, or simply to survive as a soul by inhabiting some random or predesignated body or to experience some biological form.

There is Heaven and Hell and Purgatory right here on Earth and throughout the Universe.

It is a perfect description of our societal order.

If people had more spirit this world would be a better place.
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Thread: Lamed Vov , The Just Men

The Lamed- Vovnik, The Legend of the Thirty-Six

There are not less than 36 tzaddikim/righteous persons in the world who receive the Shekhinah/the Divine Presence
-- Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 97b, Sukkot 45b

Lamed Vov means "thirty-six." According to Talmudic tradition, there are thirty-six righteous people who carry the weight of mankind and its sorrows. If even one of them should fall, the entire world would collapse. These people are humble, most likely unaware of their own purpose while holding back God's judgment. They are referred to as the lamedvovnik, the Tzadikim Nistarim, or simply the Nistarim, "the Just men”
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The Lamed Vov are 36 righteous people, for the sake of the whole world. And one of the most righteous thing about these Lamed Vov is their compassion for the suffering people of the world. It is said that when a Lamed Vovnik dies and goes up to God, he has carried so much suffering through his compassion, that the Lord God, may his name be praised, sometimes has to hold the soul of the Lamed Vov in his hands for a thousand years to fully heal him. That’s how much they care for the suffering of the world.

RIVERS OF BLOOD HAVE FLOWED, columns of smoke have obscured the sky, but surviving all these dooms, the tradition has remained inviolate down to our own time. According to it, the world reposes upon thirty-six Just Men, the Lamed-Vov, indistinguishable from simple mortals; often they are unaware of their station. But if just one of them were lacking, the sufferings of mankind would poison even the souls of the newborn, and humanity would suffocate with a single cry. For the Lamed-Vov are the hearts of the world multiplied, and into them, as into one receptacle, pour all our griefs.

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And, one of them, sometime, will be the Messiah ?

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what do you think of these people? Do these kind of people actually exist?
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50% of "humans" on this planet are not ensouled, they are automatons/robotoids. This is a creation of the dark masters of this world in underground labs as servent people. they do reproduce but cannot house an incarnating soul. Basic animal form. They do not develop a causal body. Some if they happen chance to learn to actually think, may receive a Father Fragment. about 10% do. If they do, which is never as children, you will see a new light in their eyes and the human journey is born. They will develop a causal body then.
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This is a misunderstood phenomena. It is not a lack of a soul. It is merely that they are a different species than those who "have souls".

What people are noticing are the cavemen in our midst. They are like us, but they do not have the spark of the divine. That spark is special reasoning brought on by a genetic mutation some 6,000 years ago. It has spread to 50% of the population and that number was growing until recently. This has all been proven years ago. They lack the intellect to think on a higher plane than the new people can. They cannot imagine or dream like the new species.

It is evolution my friends and it is not done yet. When the dumb cavemen are gone then something better will come then we will be the cavemen.
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Very interesting. You put words to my thoughts. I've noticed this too on some adults but also in children (2 relatives, boys age 10 and 12). Their eyes are empty, they are completely functional, average intelligence, bodily functions fine but there is that *something* missing deep inside them... I mean, they are fine but other than play videogames and interact when needed they are mostly like automats... one is currently taking meds for add and the other is not but still it amazes me the lack of **life*spirit*fire*spark** this humans have... I noticed that but never thought anything other than they were the product of their parents but now this theory adds an interesting twist to this situation...
Why do you think this is happening? are they some other dimension beings or just too self absorbed and egocentric?
1dunno1
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50% of "humans" on this planet are not ensouled, they are automatons/robotoids. This is a creation of the dark masters of this world in underground labs as servent people. they do reproduce but cannot house an iincarnating soul. Basic animal form. Some if they happen chance to learn to actually think, may receive a Father Fragment. about 10% do. If they do, which is never as children, you will see a new light in their eyes.
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WOW! very interesting data NIP! Do you have more info/links about this topic? What will happen to these creatures if they do not get Our Father´s fragment?

hf
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most just dissolve after death, their minds are not bounded by an inert gas. However, there are angels who can for lack of a better word "collect" them that are otherwise sound, have not become evil and provide another opportunity. Many of them will be gathered up during stasis and given a better chance. Basically sort of like those little beings who are created servants, little greys for the most part and some mentioned in the UB, their minds can be copied over to a new form. The ones that just become dark and ugly will be allowed to dissolve.
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Thanks for your answer NIP!

hf
"And when such an animal-origin being does stand, as countless numbers now do, before God on Paradise, having ascended from the lowly spheres of space, such an achievement represents the reality of a spiritual transformation bordering on the limits of supremacy." (Paper 11: Section 9)

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this has been the most awesome thread
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