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Cars running at 70 mpg BANNED in the US by Fed Gvmt

 
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The situation is quite simple really. I've lived in both the US and UK and owned cars in both. I live in the UK right now and have a Fiat diesel that averages about 75mpg.

In most of the world outside of the US, people have for a long time, driven much smaller engined cars quite happily. They have long been used to much better fuel economy because of this. Because of high fuel taxes in places like Europe and Japan there has been a massive pressure on manufacturers to really invest in research and making the most efficient engines possible.

Meanwhile, in the good old USA, low fuel taxes and a generally higher level of disposable income over the decades since World War 2 have led people to demand big engined big vehicles. The manufacturers got lazy as there was no incentive to be efficient, and people had stupid expectations about engine and vehicle size.

Fast-forward to the present day. The US now faces higher and higher base energy costs, and many Americans have less spending power, so even American manufacturers are at last trying to be efficient. The problem is that, as the guy in the video pointed out, the vast American infrastructure of highways is paid for by fuel tax. But fuel tax in the US is actually extremely low compared to much of the world. So the US government can do one of two things:

1. Drastically increase fuel tax and encourage people to get efficient vehicles - thus the tax income stays enough to maintain the highways and people can have efficient cars. But, most of the vehicles in America will still be older 'legacy' vehicles with appalling fuel efficiency. The owners of these will be crippled by higher fuel taxes and will be very angry. That will be a lot of angry voters.

2. Keep fuel tax low and keep fuel efficient vehicles off the road for as long as possible, so that the vast numbers of Americans with older inefficient vehicles are protected, as is the revenue to maintain the highways.

Tough problem, but one entirely of America's own making I'm afraid. This is what happens when one nation lives it large and ignores progress.
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Emission laws?
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on a diesel ?
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Yes


They have been putting catalytic converters on Diesels now for years...
 Quoting: BRIEF


It isn't just the cats it is also the soot emissions laws which are ridiculous in the US
People are trained in the us to complain about the smell and look of diesel exhaust
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yeah, but it's also the sulfur and oxides of Nitrogen and CO2 and CO and hydrocarbons, and bla bla bla
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70mpg cars are quite common here

Basic BMW diesel engines are capable of that
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yep gas tax revenue would get smashed...and not so much banned by the fed gov. more prolly by the oil barrons!
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05/09/2012 12:24 PM
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Because now the USA has become a govt for the govt and corporations of screw the public and make huge profits for the scumbag corporations that now run the govt.

They dont care about mileage.

They only care about profits and keeping their buddies well fed, and since we use 1/4 of the worlds oil supply its not too hard to figure out.

VW has developed a 2 seater diesel turbo that is coming to market (not USA) next year that gets around 250 MPG. To put that into perspective you could drive from NYC to LA for about $40 in fuel.
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Bear in mind, the gallons are different in the US compared to UK and everywhere else. 1 Imperial gallon = 1.2 US gallons. That will account for some of the difference.

Also, the USA models have 2.0 litre "clean diesel" engines, european have 1.6 litre "bluemotion". Besides fuel efficiency, the other difference is power. American cars always have torqy, more powerful motors because that's what sells. People would get into a typical 1.2 litre european car and compare it to a 2.4 litre USA car and say the other one sucked. Americans don't mind burning gas and will buy bigger motors, hence why everyone still drives big SUVs. In Europe, everyone drives tiny cars.

I'd say it's not a government conspiracy, but just marketing. If all people started buying only fuel efficient cars in USA, gas taxes would go up to pay for the roads - just like it is in Europe.

So, no conspiracy, just simple economics and marketing.
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duh on the imperial gallons.. we have already accounted for that. and go to a vw dealership.. they will flat out tell you they wish they could see the 75 mpg(hwy) US gallons vehicles.

do you know how many people who would give up power for that kind of mileage?
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70mpg cars are quite common here

Basic BMW diesel engines are capable of that
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yep gas tax revenue would get smashed...and not so much banned by the fed gov. more prolly by the oil barrons!
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BINGO !!!!!!
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05/09/2012 12:26 PM
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I refuse to buy a new car until I can afford one that runs on electricity or clean fuels.
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If the price for electric cars comes down to a reasonable level, and distance improves, I'll buy one and charge it with my solar power, but if you just plug it into the grid you aren't accomplishing anything but putting more strain on our already crumbling electric grid.
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Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
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05/09/2012 12:27 PM
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Most of the rest of the world is diesel but the USA is gasoline and it was planned that way to maximize profit
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I refuse to buy a new car until I can afford one that runs on electricity or clean fuels.
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If the price for electric cars comes down to a reasonable level, and distance improves, I'll buy one and charge it with my solar power, but if you just plug it into the grid you aren't accomplishing anything but putting more strain on our already crumbling electric grid.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
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We haven't gone to war for oil either...
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I refuse to buy a new car until I can afford one that runs on electricity or clean fuels.
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Oh good, how nice... those electric cars might as well be nuclear waste... there is no green way to break down those toxic batteries in those vehicles... I guess we could throw then in the ocean??
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So the batteries in the gas powered vehicles are biodegradable??? hmmmmm
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You can blame the tree huggers and the EPA for all the stupid emission laws and the fact we haven't built a new refinery since the '70's...every piece of pollution control bullshit you strap to an engine and shove in the exhaust system robs it of fuel economy...
 Quoting: BRIEF


who the hell do you think funds and promotes the tree huggers? BIG OIL!!!
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I refuse to buy a new car until I can afford one that runs on electricity or clean fuels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


If the price for electric cars comes down to a reasonable level, and distance improves, I'll buy one and charge it with my solar power, but if you just plug it into the grid you aren't accomplishing anything but putting more strain on our already crumbling electric grid.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


We haven't gone to war for oil either...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
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You can blame the tree huggers and the EPA for all the stupid emission laws and the fact we haven't built a new refinery since the '70's...every piece of pollution control bullshit you strap to an engine and shove in the exhaust system robs it of fuel economy...
 Quoting: BRIEF


who the hell do you think funds and promotes the tree huggers? BIG OIL!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10153246


Now that is a fact that people often miss.
Greenpeace is a corporate tool
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You can blame the tree huggers and the EPA for all the stupid emission laws and the fact we haven't built a new refinery since the '70's...every piece of pollution control bullshit you strap to an engine and shove in the exhaust system robs it of fuel economy...
 Quoting: BRIEF


who the hell do you think funds and promotes the tree huggers? BIG OIL!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10153246


NO, big oil would love to build more refineries and drill...but the EPA makes it nearly impossible
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If the price for electric cars comes down to a reasonable level, and distance improves, I'll buy one and charge it with my solar power, but if you just plug it into the grid you aren't accomplishing anything but putting more strain on our already crumbling electric grid.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


We haven't gone to war for oil either...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
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Name a war that we fought to take their oil.
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If the price for electric cars comes down to a reasonable level, and distance improves, I'll buy one and charge it with my solar power, but if you just plug it into the grid you aren't accomplishing anything but putting more strain on our already crumbling electric grid.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


We haven't gone to war for oil either...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099



tptb use the oil excuse as cover. they need us to think it is about oil. it is about world govt... and they use communism to accomplish this.
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Holy crap, we have normal cars -- ford, VW, etc -- being built in the US that run 70mpg, but it's illegal to be used in the US; they send it to South America and stuff.. The same model in the US is only 40mpg... Watch this, your mind will be blown by the end of the video:

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we used to drink raw petroleum from the drill in dakota

its good for you.

better than the fluoride recycled shit water you guzzle


dont yu know chlorine was a nerve agent chemical weapon?

i'd vather dring beer and oil.

fucking oiltards
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buyer beware
you get what you pay for
and if you don't do your homework
your guarnteed to get burned

All the information you need is sitting there on the internet, including independant opinion and analysis. So, unless your a total dummy or you couldn't care less, what's to lose sitting at home in your spare time researching before you invest. People make hasty decisions devoid of logic because they're lazy, stupid, easily manipulated, weak willed, and cheap. They end up paying twice as much in the end.

I have a dream that one day soon I will turn a retail item over to look at it's 'Made in China' logo, and it won't be there, unless I'm in China.
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Exactly. But no one can tell me we don't have the technology to do better than we are. In any case, we never went to war over electricity.
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We haven't gone to war for oil either...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


Name a war that we fought to take their oil.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Iraq. Get your head out of Fox News.
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We haven't gone to war for oil either...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
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Name a war that we fought to take their oil.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Iraq. Get your head out of Fox News.
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We don't take oil from Iraq...we buy it like everyone else...
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You can blame the tree huggers and the EPA for all the stupid emission laws and the fact we haven't built a new refinery since the '70's...every piece of pollution control bullshit you strap to an engine and shove in the exhaust system robs it of fuel economy...
 Quoting: BRIEF


who the hell do you think funds and promotes the tree huggers? BIG OIL!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10153246


NO, big oil would love to build more refineries and drill...but the EPA makes it nearly impossible
 Quoting: BRIEF



LOL LOL LOL... who do you think runs the EPA??? big oil. come on brief... youre smarter than this.
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I'm seriously considering converting my car to propane. Anyone try it?
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Is that what you tell yourself??? LOLOL!!
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Name a war that we fought to take their oil.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Iraq. Get your head out of Fox News.
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We don't take oil from Iraq...we buy it like everyone else...
 Quoting: BRIEF



so why is BP selling the communist chinese, iraqi oil for $2 per barrel?
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You can blame the tree huggers and the EPA for all the stupid emission laws and the fact we haven't built a new refinery since the '70's...every piece of pollution control bullshit you strap to an engine and shove in the exhaust system robs it of fuel economy...
 Quoting: BRIEF


who the hell do you think funds and promotes the tree huggers? BIG OIL!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10153246


NO, big oil would love to build more refineries and drill...but the EPA makes it nearly impossible
 Quoting: BRIEF



LOL LOL LOL... who do you think runs the EPA??? big oil. come on brief... youre smarter than this.
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Why would big oil shoot themselves in the foot?
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I'm seriously considering converting my car to propane. Anyone try it?
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It works great, lots of fleet trucks do it...fill up is a pain in the ass.
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Name a war that we fought to take their oil.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Iraq. Get your head out of Fox News.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


We don't take oil from Iraq...we buy it like everyone else...
 Quoting: BRIEF



so why is BP selling the communist chinese, iraqi oil for $2 per barrel?
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I don't know they are but BP is British Petroleum and not American...
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OMG! that SUX
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Iraq. Get your head out of Fox News.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1604099


We don't take oil from Iraq...we buy it like everyone else...
 Quoting: BRIEF



so why is BP selling the communist chinese, iraqi oil for $2 per barrel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10153246


I don't know they are but BP is British Petroleum and not American...
 Quoting: BRIEF


yes i know what bp stands for.. the question you should be asking is why a "british" company is basically giving the spoils of war to a communist country like china.

all the while, the usa has been raped to pay for these illegal wars.