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Cars running at 70 mpg BANNED in the US by Fed Gvmt

 
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Somehow this just seems backwards to me. Ya know?

You'd think if a car got 70mpg, rather than 28mpg, it would be less polluting. I just can't for the life of me understand the emission law thing when it comes to mpg.

I guess I'm brain dead blink
 Quoting: Éireann


It has to do with the chemistry...when HC, CO, CO2 and Nox come out of the engine as a result of combustion, the catalyst reaction turns them into CO2 and H2O with some O2 left over...see how simple that is? grinning
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Well, yes, Brief. I know that part of how an engine works, but isn't it also true that to get the higher MPG what would have been exhaust is recycled back into the engine as fuel which means that there are less emissions?

Or am I totally missing it?
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No, if you are thinking of a turbo, the spent gasses just run an air compressor to ram more air into each cylinder but you still end up with oxides of nitrogen (Nox) due to high compression...the only way to clean that up is with a catalytic converter...
 Quoting: BRIEF

Is he talking about an EGR valve? That recirculates the exhaust gasses back into the engine to be reburned. It reduces the NOX substantially. Usually if your EGR goes out your catalytic converter gets clogged up soon after.



But other than that the majority of people on here don't know a thing. European countries emissions standards are the strictest in the world when talking about countries. I think they may follow EU guidelines now but I'm not sure.

But California has the strictest in the world. The air there is far cleaner than when I was a kid.

So all new cars sold in the US meet California emissions standards by necessity. They could be sold in many other states without the emissions equipment but aren't.

So to put it short. All European cars emissions are legal in every state except for possibly California.

Could you imagine a 75hp motor trying to lug around 4 300 lb Americans? I think not.
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It has to do with the chemistry...when HC, CO, CO2 and Nox come out of the engine as a result of combustion, the catalyst reaction turns them into CO2 and H2O with some O2 left over...see how simple that is? grinning
 Quoting: BRIEF


Well, yes, Brief. I know that part of how an engine works, but isn't it also true that to get the higher MPG what would have been exhaust is recycled back into the engine as fuel which means that there are less emissions?

Or am I totally missing it?
 Quoting: Éireann


No, if you are thinking of a turbo, the spent gasses just run an air compressor to ram more air into each cylinder but you still end up with oxides of nitrogen (Nox) due to high compression...the only way to clean that up is with a catalytic converter...
 Quoting: BRIEF

Is he talking about an EGR valve? That recirculates the exhaust gasses back into the engine to be reburned. It reduces the NOX substantially. Usually if your EGR goes out your catalytic converter gets clogged up soon after.



But other than that the majority of people on here don't know a thing. European countries emissions standards are the strictest in the world when talking about countries. I think they may follow EU guidelines now but I'm not sure.

But California has the strictest in the world. The air there is far cleaner than when I was a kid.

So all new cars sold in the US meet California emissions standards by necessity. They could be sold in many other states without the emissions equipment but aren't.

So to put it short. All European cars emissions are legal in every state except for possibly California.

Could you imagine a 75hp motor trying to lug around 4 300 lb Americans? I think not.
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Yeah probably, but the EGR does nothing for fuel economy...
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The reason 70 mpg cars are banned in the U.S. is plain and simple, MONEY!! The U.S. government rakes in huge profits on the gasoline tax and just what would the profits be if we were allowed to have cars that got 42 miles per gallon better? Just kind of shows you what a joke the so-called ecology movement is in this nation. Gee, it's real hard to figure out, significantly less fuel burned results in significantly less pollution and also saves a significant amount of our PRECIOUS FINITE fossil fuels. Lets see, ecology, huge monetary profits, profits will always win while we little people and our children always pay the price for both!
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Folks,,, Simple,,, all the other parts of the world have found a happy balance between clean air and good mpg..

Our EPA,, went way beyond common sense and is the reason why our cars get 1/2 of what they could get.. After all if we used 1/2 the fuel where would the TAXes come from to fix the roads?????????

Its all a big game to dig deeper in our pockets..

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Yep, I saw someone comment here before that there was a car at one time tested as a prototype back in the 60's or so(never intended to be released) that could go 500mpg, and one guy had it and was using it and telling people. State got wind of it and wanted the car back, guy kept refusing till he finally gave in with the caveat he got a free car every year or something to that end for the rest of his life.

It's too bad he gave in.....maybe we wouldn't be so fucked if he stood his ground.
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Part of the fuck-up-your-horse conspiracy.
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Imperial "Gallon" (the "Gallon" used in GB and other places) is NOT the same amount as a US Gallon.

The Imperial Gallon is actually about 20% MORE than an US Gallon, which can change fuel milage/gallon calculations quite dramatically.

The exact ratio is:
1 Imperial gallon = 1.20095042 US gallons

A 70 MPG vehicle in Europe actually is only a 58.3 MGP vehicle if the fuel measured in US Gallons versus Imperial Gallons.

Combine that with our MUCH stricter emmission requirements AND overall heavier vehicle weights (due to higher crash impact requirements for US vehicls) ... and voila, the same basic vehicle will NOT do as well on the US milage reports.

OH ... and diesel fuel has an energy output (BTU's) that is about 20% greater than gasoline, so on a per gallon basis a diesel fueled vehicle will show a greater MPG than it's gasoline cousin, but then again in the US diesel is about 15% to 20% higher in price than gasoline (so the cost $$$ per mile is comperable).

Making the adjustment for Imperial vs US Gallons, and Diesel to Gasoline alone thus changes a 70 MPG Euro Diesel vehicle to a 48 MPG US Gas vehicle, even before all the emission and crash worthiness differences between the vehicles.
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Emission laws?
 Quoting: BRIEF


fuck you, you are a true idiot.

Yes, start a nuclear war and end the world, brilliant plan.

US cannot rule the world is there is no worldto rule.

god i agree with the person from hong kong, how cAN a person be as braindead as you.
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12/24/2012 09:20 AM
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He is comparing 2 different cars. The European version was available in the US. It wasn't a good seller due to its small size and high price. US gallons are smaller than imperial gallons. Emissions calculations are figured differently in the US than Europe. This guy is pissed because his apple is not an orange.
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12/24/2012 09:36 AM

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The US gallon is smaller than the Royal UK gallon. Here is a great article debunking this video. I one starred this thread since it is not true and my debunking article is from May 1.

[link to pesn.com]
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In the UK they sell fuel by the litre...

I know cause I've been there and rented a car.

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So, I guess we'll just ignore this debunking of this video?

[link to pesn.com]
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