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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 05/11/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love that verse you quoted above, in Malachi. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941914 Love it. Lucifer, light bringer, is what Satan ostensibly does; like he lied to Eve, even though he was bringing her misery, destruction of her children, and death to the race. It is like a sarcastic title of Satan, a lie, just as he is the father of lies. never believe him even though he sounds so full of light... and life. Hailail, Heileil, the bright, shining one, clear, boastful one...it could have been 'praise' then as it is now, in the way that he was good before he became evil intentioned against Yah. He praised Yah before he hated Yah and Yah's creation of good things. ...'until iniquity was found in thee...' Bright, shining, clear...which could have denoted or connote praising, now became 'the boastful, arrogant' bright, shining, clear, loud one... Like arrogant assholes that you may know, they love to boast and praise themselves against all that is really good and decent. Just for the reason that Hailail/Heileil said, "I will be like the Most High...I will ascend the congregation of the north...' was his stated goal in Isaiah, to be worshipped by the world as Yah, in Yah's place, we should never say what all people of the world do say, in one tongue, actually, in unison, all over the Christian world, here, africa, Korea, asia, Europe, everywhere, like he said he would get all the world under his dominion as the God worshipped by all of us instead of our Creator, Yah. that horrible word we all have been taught to say, not knowing what it now means: Hallel U plus the Creator's Name, Yah. It should never bet uttered now that Halleil has taken Yah's rightful place in our hearts and minds, in the temples and all churches. NEVER SAY IT. IT IS HIGH BLASPHEMY. By Apollo. In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast" Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. "Praise Jah" "Praise Yahweh" So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, ! But lets get back to Lucifer.... Isaiah 14:12 When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV. How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar) How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home? Compiled by Frank W. Nelte Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV: 117 times = Praise 14 times = Glory 10 times = Boast 8 times = Mad 3 times = Shine(d) 3 times = Foolish 2 times = Fools 2 times = Commended 2 times = Rage 1 time = Celebrate 1 time = Give 1 time = Marriage 1 time = Renowned "This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative" Comment by Apollo: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541358 05/11/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankindSatan's 'followers', all the anti Christ movement want to destroy Our Fathers creation out of jealousy and because he felt rejected, in turn he rejected the life created by our Father. The anti Christ movement will do anything to replace the real with the false, the truth with lies, the natural with the unnatural, life with death, creation with destruction, you either choose to bind with it or to life which is our eternal Father in true light. Jesus said; "We will be like the Angels" When Gods Kingdom is here on earth. This is the ascension that Jesus talked about. We will conquer death by the blood of The Lamb but Satan shall taste death forever. We shall live forever and eat of the three of life again. Because we where suppose to be Gods. We are made in his image. We will never taste death when we accepted Jahushua. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1559748 05/11/2012 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Philo would disagree. In Psalm 82 God said: "Yes you are Gods but you shall die like men" If we accept Christ and his blood we shall return to our orginal state. Meaning in Gods Kingdome we shall see no suffering and grieth. Chrsi shall remove every sin and evil in this world. Everything will be perfect! |
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| Project_Deimos User ID: 1208235 05/11/2012 01:33 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ![]() ETA: Sorry couldn't help but add that pic, however I do believe the "fallen angels" provided shortcuts to technology that we are just getting around to having now. Just my 2c. Last Edited by Project_Deimos on 05/11/2012 01:35 PM "There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know." |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6832578 05/11/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love that verse you quoted above, in Malachi. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941914 Love it. Lucifer, light bringer, is what Satan ostensibly does; like he lied to Eve, even though he was bringing her misery, destruction of her children, and death to the race. It is like a sarcastic title of Satan, a lie, just as he is the father of lies. never believe him even though he sounds so full of light... and life. Hailail, Heileil, the bright, shining one, clear, boastful one...it could have been 'praise' then as it is now, in the way that he was good before he became evil intentioned against Yah. He praised Yah before he hated Yah and Yah's creation of good things. ...'until iniquity was found in thee...' Bright, shining, clear...which could have denoted or connote praising, now became 'the boastful, arrogant' bright, shining, clear, loud one... Like arrogant assholes that you may know, they love to boast and praise themselves against all that is really good and decent. Just for the reason that Hailail/Heileil said, "I will be like the Most High...I will ascend the congregation of the north...' was his stated goal in Isaiah, to be worshipped by the world as Yah, in Yah's place, we should never say what all people of the world do say, in one tongue, actually, in unison, all over the Christian world, here, africa, Korea, asia, Europe, everywhere, like he said he would get all the world under his dominion as the God worshipped by all of us instead of our Creator, Yah. that horrible word we all have been taught to say, not knowing what it now means: Hallel U plus the Creator's Name, Yah. It should never bet uttered now that Halleil has taken Yah's rightful place in our hearts and minds, in the temples and all churches. NEVER SAY IT. IT IS HIGH BLASPHEMY. By Apollo. In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast" Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. "Praise Jah" "Praise Yahweh" So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, ! But lets get back to Lucifer.... Isaiah 14:12 When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV. How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar) How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home? Compiled by Frank W. Nelte Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV: 117 times = Praise 14 times = Glory 10 times = Boast 8 times = Mad 3 times = Shine(d) 3 times = Foolish 2 times = Fools 2 times = Commended 2 times = Rage 1 time = Celebrate 1 time = Give 1 time = Marriage 1 time = Renowned "This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative" Comment by Apollo: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah Apollo, you didn't answe my question. On some occcasions you have stated that lucy was nothing more than a man that lived in 3 to 400 ad, but in other posts I've seen you paint him as a rightous deity and even putting him on the same level as Christ. I'm really curious, which is it? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15892589 05/11/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (Just one more time for Morning crowd to read..) Quoting: ABADDON - APOLLYON . Is this how it really happened???.. LUCIFER cast down to the Earth ! Do you think this is how it really happened? I dont know who wrote this but its much more interesting than a talking snake in a tree. I looked up Homo Erectus cause it sounded funny and it was indeed the name scientists gave a early species of hominid. This is a fun sci fi piece of writing to read. But Im wondering if its how it really happened. Thoughts? How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! Isaiah 14:12 New Living Translation (2007) *************************** (copyfree source for distribution) This is the Pleiadian decree in Union with the Universal Council of Galaxies You Lucien, Son of Jah of Alcyone Pleiades, is hereby sentenced to have all your titles stripped of acknowledgement and use in representation as a Pleiadian and Universal Membership. Your Piloting license is forever suspended. You will not be accessed to any craft or be allowed to pilot any craft inside or beyond earth’s atmosphere. Your computer fingerprint and Iris code and voice command will be deactivated. You will not be able to use any Pleiadian computer. You will not have possession of Star Chart programs and any updates and discoveries of Universal Missions will not be given you , nor any scientific documents pertaining or relating to your research into planetary primitive DNA. Your Father’s research into the Homo Erectus species of earth and his and yours project will be halted from any further development of the so named Homo Sapien of your creation. The subjects of earth will be halted from any further experimentation. All lab equipment will be removed from the premises . All records of the DNA transfusion experiment will be confiscated Earth is hereby quarantined to allow the natural development of its evolution, including to and adapting to you and your Brothers and Fathers intervention in the Matter which was granted by the Universal Council and Withdrawn. A separate case is pending. All craft in either of the named Galaxies will be severely limited in access to earth. We will erect detectors to monitor exploration activity that will not be allowed during the indefinite quarantine of Earth which has sofar been sentenced to ___thousands of years. All technology will be forbidden to the Homo Sapien species. They are to live in their natural environment except to be taught primitive agriculture and weaving and simple tools. No Pleiadian will be allowed to show the Homo Sapiens any of our knowledge or they will be justly sentenced. Your Father and Brother and sufficient number of researchers can stay and monitor the Homo Sapiens activity. However they will be allowed full transport to Pleiades whenever they wish, granted that they return to earth to give sufficient reports on the activities of the Homo Sapiens and their health Lucien, Son of Jah is hereby though, sentenced for life in the vicinity of the lower atmosphere and land mass of earth. He can never be allowed travel to Pleiades, nor any planet of the Universe, including those not within the Council. He will be allowed some technology and materials for his comfort but he will be required to settle away from the Homo Sapiens and have no contact of influence with them. All his titles as Prince of Pleiades, Ambassador, Chief Pilot of the Fleet, Computer Designer, and Master of Technological Science will be stripped, He will be allowed Holographic conferences with his family, but forbidden to live with his family members. We will allow one visit a year. There will be no appeal in his sentencing before his natural death on Earth, He is to be quarantined, as well as the Homo Erectus and Sapien Species. He is not allowed to be near any female of species of either type. This sentencing of the Son of Jah, Lucifer to the vicinity of the earth is hearby sealed this day in front of the council of Universal Witnesses and his Father. (copyfree source) Bit harsh? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6832578 05/11/2012 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love that verse you quoted above, in Malachi. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941914 Love it. Lucifer, light bringer, is what Satan ostensibly does; like he lied to Eve, even though he was bringing her misery, destruction of her children, and death to the race. It is like a sarcastic title of Satan, a lie, just as he is the father of lies. never believe him even though he sounds so full of light... and life. Hailail, Heileil, the bright, shining one, clear, boastful one...it could have been 'praise' then as it is now, in the way that he was good before he became evil intentioned against Yah. He praised Yah before he hated Yah and Yah's creation of good things. ...'until iniquity was found in thee...' Bright, shining, clear...which could have denoted or connote praising, now became 'the boastful, arrogant' bright, shining, clear, loud one... Like arrogant assholes that you may know, they love to boast and praise themselves against all that is really good and decent. Just for the reason that Hailail/Heileil said, "I will be like the Most High...I will ascend the congregation of the north...' was his stated goal in Isaiah, to be worshipped by the world as Yah, in Yah's place, we should never say what all people of the world do say, in one tongue, actually, in unison, all over the Christian world, here, africa, Korea, asia, Europe, everywhere, like he said he would get all the world under his dominion as the God worshipped by all of us instead of our Creator, Yah. that horrible word we all have been taught to say, not knowing what it now means: Hallel U plus the Creator's Name, Yah. It should never bet uttered now that Halleil has taken Yah's rightful place in our hearts and minds, in the temples and all churches. NEVER SAY IT. IT IS HIGH BLASPHEMY. By Apollo. In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast" Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. "Praise Jah" "Praise Yahweh" So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, ! But lets get back to Lucifer.... Isaiah 14:12 When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV. How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar) How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home? Compiled by Frank W. Nelte Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV: 117 times = Praise 14 times = Glory 10 times = Boast 8 times = Mad 3 times = Shine(d) 3 times = Foolish 2 times = Fools 2 times = Commended 2 times = Rage 1 time = Celebrate 1 time = Give 1 time = Marriage 1 time = Renowned "This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative" Comment by Apollo: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah Apollo, you didn't answe my question. On some occcasions you have stated that lucy was nothing more than a man that lived in 3 to 400 ad, but in other posts I've seen you paint him as a rightous deity and even putting him on the same level as Christ. I'm really curious, which is it? I wonder answering any of these questions having taken so many different positions on the subject... |
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| xeno User ID: 1344279 05/11/2012 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Xeno should change his name to Xenophobe. Quoting: AdamantineKamantium 15879316 Unless thats in reference to Scientology, in which case he should change his name to Scientard! my birth name is xenophon, xeno for short as most anglo-saxons have a hard time pronouncing it. no idea why, it's not complicated.... what exactly am i afraid of? please share coward |
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