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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14328296 Netherlands 05/10/2012 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankind |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7057750 United States 05/10/2012 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankind so does Satan favor the 40 days, or does Adam ?? 40 is the sole issue |
Soul Wave User ID: 15851287 United Kingdom 05/10/2012 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is a miss representation of Lucifer being cast down to the earth, a deliberate miss translation. It actually really means that he was cast out from the less dense planes of higher dimensions to the physical density where the world is situated. Another words, not specifically to earth as the one we live on, but to the physical, solid density of worlds, from heaven to earth, earth as in solid matter. |
Soul Wave User ID: 15851287 United Kingdom 05/10/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankind Satan's 'followers', all the anti Christ movement want to destroy Our Fathers creation out of jealousy and because he felt rejected, in turn he rejected the life created by our Father. The anti Christ movement will do anything to replace the real with the false, the truth with lies, the natural with the unnatural, life with death, creation with destruction, you either choose to bind with it or to life which is our eternal Father in true light. |
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Iamdumb User ID: 12547564 United States 05/10/2012 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lucien is an old french name, it's a trend now to give old names to children. [link to www.meaning-of-names.com] also this story sounds like goldorak or a crazy mecha anime from japan Merci Beaucoup, that is right. Neat. Hes French. lol seriously if you think about it, not only french but i can tell exactly wich city he will chose to live on and no it's not paris. hmm... according to the story, if lucifire had to live on earth the location is probably KC. I wonder what its like to burn in hell without a head. interesting story, wonder if he and his dad made some sort of universal discover like the orgin of the big bang or something similar Iamdumb |
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Haile Menelik User ID: 14328296 Netherlands 05/11/2012 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankind so does Satan favor the 40 days, or does Adam ?? 40 is the sole issue Yes 40 days is the whloe issue. Jesus fasted for 40 days end who tempted him? Satan. So there is a connection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6832578 United States 05/11/2012 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how can you even post shit like that OP? Quoting: xeno 1370380 lol @ primitive pleiadian scum and their mass deceit of clueless channelers Better than the talking snake story. I thought you said lucy fer was some dude that lived in 3 or 400 ad? Yet other posts of your implies the opposite as if he's some deity even equal to Christ. Which is it? All of the above? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 941914 United States 05/11/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love that verse you quoted above, in Malachi. Love it. Lucifer, light bringer, is what Satan ostensibly does; like he lied to Eve, even though he was bringing her misery, destruction of her children, and death to the race. It is like a sarcastic title of Satan, a lie, just as he is the father of lies. never believe him even though he sounds so full of light... and life. Hailail, Heileil, the bright, shining one, clear, boastful one...it could have been 'praise' then as it is now, in the way that he was good before he became evil intentioned against Yah. He praised Yah before he hated Yah and Yah's creation of good things. ...'until iniquity was found in thee...' Bright, shining, clear...which could have denoted or connote praising, now became 'the boastful, arrogant' bright, shining, clear, loud one... Like arrogant assholes that you may know, they love to boast and praise themselves against all that is really good and decent. Just for the reason that Hailail/Heileil said, "I will be like the Most High...I will ascend the congregation of the north...' was his stated goal in Isaiah, to be worshipped by the world as Yah, in Yah's place, we should never say what all people of the world do say, in one tongue, actually, in unison, all over the Christian world, here, africa, Korea, asia, Europe, everywhere, like he said he would get all the world under his dominion as the God worshipped by all of us instead of our Creator, Yah. that horrible word we all have been taught to say, not knowing what it now means: Hallel U plus the Creator's Name, Yah. It should never bet uttered now that Halleil has taken Yah's rightful place in our hearts and minds, in the temples and all churches. NEVER SAY IT. IT IS HIGH BLASPHEMY. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 United States 05/11/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love that verse you quoted above, in Malachi. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 941914 Love it. Lucifer, light bringer, is what Satan ostensibly does; like he lied to Eve, even though he was bringing her misery, destruction of her children, and death to the race. It is like a sarcastic title of Satan, a lie, just as he is the father of lies. never believe him even though he sounds so full of light... and life. Hailail, Heileil, the bright, shining one, clear, boastful one...it could have been 'praise' then as it is now, in the way that he was good before he became evil intentioned against Yah. He praised Yah before he hated Yah and Yah's creation of good things. ...'until iniquity was found in thee...' Bright, shining, clear...which could have denoted or connote praising, now became 'the boastful, arrogant' bright, shining, clear, loud one... Like arrogant assholes that you may know, they love to boast and praise themselves against all that is really good and decent. Just for the reason that Hailail/Heileil said, "I will be like the Most High...I will ascend the congregation of the north...' was his stated goal in Isaiah, to be worshipped by the world as Yah, in Yah's place, we should never say what all people of the world do say, in one tongue, actually, in unison, all over the Christian world, here, africa, Korea, asia, Europe, everywhere, like he said he would get all the world under his dominion as the God worshipped by all of us instead of our Creator, Yah. that horrible word we all have been taught to say, not knowing what it now means: Hallel U plus the Creator's Name, Yah. It should never bet uttered now that Halleil has taken Yah's rightful place in our hearts and minds, in the temples and all churches. NEVER SAY IT. IT IS HIGH BLASPHEMY. By Apollo. In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast" Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. "Praise Jah" "Praise Yahweh" So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, ! But lets get back to Lucifer.... Isaiah 14:12 When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV. How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar) How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home? Compiled by Frank W. Nelte Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV: 117 times = Praise 14 times = Glory 10 times = Boast 8 times = Mad 3 times = Shine(d) 3 times = Foolish 2 times = Fools 2 times = Commended 2 times = Rage 1 time = Celebrate 1 time = Give 1 time = Marriage 1 time = Renowned "This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative" Comment by Apollo: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541358 Netherlands 05/11/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fall of Satan Quoting: Haile Menelik 10318390 12.1 Groaning, the Devil said: "O Adam, all my enmity, jealousy, and resentment is towards you, since on account of you I was expelled and alienated from my glory, which I had in heaven in the midst of the angels. On account of you I was cast out upon the earth." 12.2 Adam answered: "What have I done to you? 12.3 What fault do I have against you? Since you have not been harmed nor injured by us, why do you persecute us?" 13.1 The Devil answered: "Adam what are you saying to me? On account of you I was cast out from heaven. 13.2 When you were formed, I was cast out from the face of God and was sent forth from the company of the angels. When God blew into you the breath of life and your countenance and likeness were made in the image of God, Michael led you and made you worship in the sight of God. The Lord God then said: 'Behold, Adam, I have made you in our image and likeness.' 14.1 Having gone forth Michael called all the angels saying: 'Worship the image of the Lord God, just as the Lord God has commanded.' 14.2 Michael himself worshipped first then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God Jehovah.' 14.3 I answered: 'I do not have it within me to worship Adam.' When Michael compelled me to worship, I said to him: 'Why do you compel me? I will not worship him who is lower and posterior to me. I am prior to that creature. Before he was made, I had already been made. He ought to worship me.' 15.1 Hearing this, other angels who were under me were unwilling to worship him. 15.2 Michael said: 'Worship the image of God. If you do not worship, the Lord God will grow angry with you.' 15.3 said: 'If he grows angry with me, I will place my seat above the stars of heaven and I will be like the Most High.' 16.1 Then the Lord God grew angry with me and sent me forth with my angels from our glory. On account of you we were expelled from our dwelling into this world and cast out upon the earth. 16.2 Immediately we were in grief, since we had been despoiled of so much glory, 16.3 and we grieved to see you in such a great happiness of delights. 16:4 By a trick I cheated your wife and caused you to be expelled through her from the delights of your happiness, just as I had been expelled from my glory." 17.1 Hearing this, Adam cried out with a great shout because of the Devil, and said: "O Lord my God, in your hands is my life. Make this adversary of mine be far from me, who seeks to ruin my soul. Give me his glory which he himself lost." 17.2 Immediately the Devil no longer appeared to him. 17.3 Adam truly persevered for forty days standing in penitence in the waters of the Jordan. [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] The Life of Adam and Eve: The Biblical Story in Judaism and Christianity -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary A. Anderson The University of Virginia Michael E. Stone The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Read The Complete Book of the Life of Adam and Eve: [link to www2.iath.virginia.edu] how it happend satan wants to destroy mankind Satan's 'followers', all the anti Christ movement want to destroy Our Fathers creation out of jealousy and because he felt rejected, in turn he rejected the life created by our Father. The anti Christ movement will do anything to replace the real with the false, the truth with lies, the natural with the unnatural, life with death, creation with destruction, you either choose to bind with it or to life which is our eternal Father in true light. Jesus said; "We will be like the Angels" When Gods Kingdom is here on earth. This is the ascension that Jesus talked about. We will conquer death by the blood of The Lamb but Satan shall taste death forever. We shall live forever and eat of the three of life again. Because we where suppose to be Gods. We are made in his image. We will never taste death when we accepted Jahushua. |
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