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Q: Do you guys suppose the Pharisees *recognized* how far off base they were from God's heart?

 
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Re: Q: Do you guys suppose the Pharisees *recognized* how far off base they were from God's heart?
it's been written that apparently not all will be - but not due to God not willing it but due to (back to the topic of the thread) the heart condition of some who just wont change. (see also, 2 Pet 3:9)
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They'll be fine - heart change is the work of God's metaphorical "fires" which He applies as the Refiner. Salvation will become mandatory, no different than a parent enforcing bath-time ;)
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Re: Q: Do you guys suppose the Pharisees *recognized* how far off base they were from God's heart?
it's been written that apparently not all will be - but not due to God not willing it but due to (back to the topic of the thread) the heart condition of some who just wont change. (see also, 2 Pet 3:9)
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They'll be fine - heart change is the work of God's metaphorical "fires" which He applies as the Refiner. Salvation will become mandatory, no different than a parent enforcing bath-time ;)
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The Bible does indeed make liberal use of word pictures... lots of metaphores, and similes, and personification, and hyperboles, etc. It's what makes God's Word alive. And I agree many people must undergo refinement or a "heart change", like you put it, based on accurate knowledge of God's Word and God's purposes.

However, that many will die (as in be cut off and destroyed) is quite Biblical. (Ps 37:10,11, Prov 2:20,21) The Holy Scripture do not teach "salvation will become mandatory" nor, a similar belief, that mass conversions will be forced upon those unwilling to convert. All those that remain will willingly do God's will because of their willing heart. To teach otherwise would not only be unscriptural but would be a mockery to all those who have given their lives for doing God's will... for their effort would be in vain.
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However, that many will die (as in be cut off and destroyed) is quite Biblical. (Ps 37:10,11, Prov 2:20,21)
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We have to consider the biblical definition of "destroy": Deuteronomy 4 warns the Israelites that they'll be destroyed (also apollymi in the Septuagint) when they adopt the ways of the heathen and serve idols. This "destruction" of the children of Israel is defined there as being scattered among the nations to serve more idols, and includes the provision that when they finally seek God, they'll find Him, because God is merciful and will not(?) destroy them. We can see here that "destruction" is not absolutely an annihilation in which persons cease to exist, yes? In this case, it's referring to earthly difficulties. People use the term "destroy" in the same exact allegorical manner today, usually when talking about merely defeating someone or "putting them in their place". Nevertheless, we've been brainwashed via Religion's fossilized mindset that "destruction" unquestionably equals the disastrous and eternal ruin of one's soul with no remedy or recourse whatsoever.


To teach otherwise would not only be unscriptural but would be a mockery to all those who have given their lives for doing God's will... for their effort would be in vain.
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It's no different than the Prodigal's resentful older brother, bitter at his wayward sibling being welcomed home: "I stayed here obedient this whole time! Where's *my* party?!"

Also the same as the laborers who had been at work since early in the day - they were outraged when those hired right before quitting time received the same wage as them. They likewise considered this a mockery, based on their erroneous expectation of special treatment for merely doing what they agreed to. It's a religious trait we need to be cured of.
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That is interesting, and sad... if true, it seems the people had chosen (his own people even) to save a criminal who was a Son of the Father in name only, and so wanted the real Son of the Father get made an example out of, and in one of the most harshest i've read about...
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The symbolism of the exchange, however, is pure vitality - the guilty goes free as the spotless Lamb takes his place ;)
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an insurrectionist. don't really believe that makes him guilty in the sense you used
Exalted is He from what they utter. Exalted is He from what they imagine. Exalted is He that exists without a place. Exalted is He that was there forever without a time or a beginning. Exalted is He that will be there forever without a time or an end. Exalted is He that will forever be praised. That is your God.
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(Matthew 4:4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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EXACTLY.
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They thought they were spot on, and couldn't conceive the notion that they might be completely wrong in both their beliefs and practice. They didn't know God's heart, and they missed entire the point.

Jesus came along, and He was nothing like they expected God to be. He sincerely cared about even the "least important" people in society.

Maybe we'd do well to stop and assess ourselves so as to avoid such hard-hearted religious error, yes?

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Thank You,

These are powerfull words. I do sometimes wish though that God would talk to me directly and guide me like He did with Moses and most of all the Old Kings and Prophets.

Then again I think that we would get irritated by His chatter if He did. Thus nullifying Free Will, He would constantly correct us on everything and don't we all HATE to be told what to do ?

I do believe though it would be wonderfull to be able to walk with God and talk like Adam and Eve did.

Well then I suppose to have FAITH is the most important thing to do.
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TRUST. He teaches at night. Jesus said that we are to certify that God is truthful, and that the Spirit of Truth leads into ALL truth. There is NO room for doubt when it comes to God's truth. Use His Word ONLY. Do not mix stones in your soil.

FOLLOW Jesus. When He speaks to anyone in the gospels, He is speaking directly to us.
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