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Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate

 
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate
I had never heard this before.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory" (1 Corinthians chapter 2, verse 7)
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I am a 5th generation Seventh-day Adventist and I have NEVER heard that Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate.
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I am a 5th generation Seventh-day Adventist and I have NEVER heard that Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate.
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me neither. I call bullshit on it.

BTW wiki is not a grade A source

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I am a 5th generation Seventh-day Adventist and I have NEVER heard that Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate.
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I find that difficult to believe!
The OP is correct, it is an official and long-standing belief of the SDA church.

I believe in most of the SDA philosophy, especially regarding eschatology and Futurism, but I do have some questions about a few issues (i.e. Ellen White) and disagree with a few others; this is one point that I disagree on.
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God has never said to any of the angels, “You are my Son, because today I have become your Father!” Neither has God said to any of them, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son!”
(Hebrews 1:5)
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate
I had never heard this before.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 Quoting: dei sapientiam in mysterio


No. they don't say reincarnated.

The jws believe there is a reason for this because the meaning of the name of the archangel.
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I read the Urantia Book and it is the best telling of the Life of Christ on this earth and his life as Michael. Nothing has ever made more sense to me. I highly recommend you check it out with an open mind.What amazes me are those who think Jesus and God are one in the same. There are inferences in the bible that he is Michael or one like Gabriel... seriously love the Urantia Book...for the first time in my life the spiritual realm seems real.
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I had never heard this before.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 Quoting: dei sapientiam in mysterio


No. they don't say reincarnated.

The jws believe there is a reason for this because the meaning of the name of the archangel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1605315

The OP didn't mention reincarnated, you did!

He said incarnate, as in the SDA and JW believe that the Archangel Michael came to Earth incarnate as the man Jesus Christ, and when he went back to Heaven he again became Michael the Archangel.

Angel in Heaven, man on Earth (Jesus), back to angel in Heaven; no reincarnation, just one manifestation of spirit to flesh and back to spirit.

Nevertheless, I do not believe the scriptures support this view.
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I had never heard this before.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 Quoting: dei sapientiam in mysterio


You need a better source.
This is not true
Tomarrow morning when the J Dubs knock
on your door ask them, Im sure they will
clarify that for ya.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate
Here is a quote from the ultimate source: Jehovah's Witnesses official web site.

"Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth."

[link to www.watchtower.org]


Also, here is a quote from an official Seventh Day Adventist publication.

"We believe that the term 'Michael' is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work."

That comes from a book entitled 'Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions On Doctrine' (An Explanation of Certain Major Aspects of Seventh-Day Adventists Belief. Prepared by a Representative Group of Seventh-Day Adventist Leaders, Bible Teachers, and Editors), Copyright 1957 Review and Herald Publishing Association, Washington, D.C.

[link to www.sdanet.org]

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I am a 5th generation Seventh-day Adventist and I have NEVER heard that Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate.
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[link to biblelight.net]
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Many others long before there ever were JW or SDA also knew the Bible truth Jesus is the archangel Michael. Archangel means chief of the angels. not an angel. (see: Matthew Henry commentary)
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Here is the relevant text from the Wikipedia article on 'Michael (archangel)'.


Jehovah's Witnesses
See also: Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs about Jesus

Jehovah's Witnesses believe Michael to be another name for Jesus Christ in heaven, in his pre-human and post-resurrection existence.[53] They assert that, because a definite article is used at Jude 9 when referring to "Michael the Archangel", and because the term "archangel" is used only in the singular in the Bible, never clearly in the plural, that therefore Michael is the only archangel, and therefore synonymous with Jesus, who is described at 1 Thessalonians 4:16 as descending "with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet".

They believe the prominent roles assigned to Michael at Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7; 19:14, 16 are identical to Jesus' roles, as the one chosen to lead God's people, and as the one who "stands up", identifying them as the same spirit person. Because they identify Michael with Jesus, he is therefore considered the first and greatest of all God's heavenly sons, God's chief messenger who takes the lead in vindicating God's sovereignty, sanctifying his name, fighting the wicked forces of Satan, and protecting God's covenant people on earth.[54] Jehovah's Witnesses also identify Michael with the "Angel of the Lord" who led the Israelites in the wilderness.[55]

Seventh-day Adventists
See also: Seventh-day Adventist beliefs about Michael

Seventh-day Adventists believe that Michael is another name for the Heavenly Christ, and another name for the Word-of-God (as in John 1) before He became incarnate as Jesus. Archangel (meaning "Chief of the Angels") was the leadership position held by the Word-of-God as Michael while among the angels. So according to Adventist theology, Michael was considered the "eternal Word", and not a created being or created angel, and the one by whom all things were created. The Word was then born incarnate as Jesus.[56]

Seventh-day Adventists believe the name “Michael” is significant in showing who it is, just as "Immanuel" (which means "God with us") is about who Jesus is. They believe that name “Michael” signifies “one who is God” and that as the “Archangel” or "chief or head of the angels" He led the angels and thus the statement in Revelation 12:7-9 identifies Jesus as Michael.[57]

Seventh-day Adventists believe that the term 'Michael' is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But, according to Adventists, such a view does not in any way conflict with the belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.[58]

In the Seventh-day Adventist view, the statement in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" identifies Jesus as Archangel, which is Michael.[59] And the Seventh-day Adventists believe that John 5:25-29 also confirms that Jesus and Michael are the same.[59]

Seventh-day Adventists believe there is and can only be one archangel and that one Archangel is named Michael and yet in Scripture is shown as doing what also applies to Christ even from the beginning, so is Christ pre-incarnate. There was a perception that Adventists were relegating Jesus to something less than divine or less than God but that is not valid since Seventh-day Adventism theology teaches and is expressly Trinitarian.[60][61]

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Yes, Seventh-day Adventists believe that Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ. Since angels are created beings, we dishonor our awesome, sovereign Creator with such heretical thoughts. As some of the answers to this question verify anew on this forum, I am repeatedly amazed and stunned by how little devout Adventists really know about their religion. Many SDAs will automatically start spinning and/or denying their heresies the moment they perceive that their religious views are bibically indefensible. Sadly, they consider their prophetess (profitness), Ellen G. White, as their infallible interpreter of Scripture. For those who may disagree with this conclusion, what teachings of Ellen White do you actively oppose?

Moreover, it is important to note that Seventh-day Adventism, like Jehovah's Witnesses cult, was born out of the Millerite deception of the 1840s by their Arian pioneers. For the detailed facts about the SDA anti-Trinitarian views to this very day, simply log unto: www.cultorchristian.com . The pioneers of Adventism were extremely anti-Catholic and they wanted nothing in common with that religious organization--even to the point of denying the Trinity doctrine.

A former SDA minister,


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Hummm.... soooo... you're new around here?....

O.K. - You've convinced me that Jesus is the chief angel of the Lord aka Michael and that its not heretical to believe it.

Very enlightening thread, somehow you remind me of someone who used to be here...

Good stuff as usual.hf
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Makes sense that Michael is the highest angel. There is only one archangel.
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i think the religions are trying to posture themselves to take advantage and have an explanation for whatever turns out to be the truth.

they don't know it, never did, but they don't want anyone to know this.
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate
Many others long before there ever were JW or SDA also knew the Bible truth Jesus is the archangel Michael. Archangel means chief of the angels. not an angel. (see: Matthew Henry commentary)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15332927


It could mean that the chief of the angels is an angel himself. Just the highest one.
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Hummm.... soooo... you're new around here?....

O.K. - You've convinced me that Jesus is the chief angel of the Lord aka Michael and that its not heretical to believe it.

Very enlightening thread, somehow you remind me of someone who used to be here...

Good stuff as usual.hf
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Yes. I'm new here.

The premise of my argument is stated in the thread title. I've merely supported it with text excerpts. I'm arguing neither for nor against the belief's veracity. I've not said anything regarding theological implications, either. Consequently, your convictions could only be borne of looking at the information, reading posters' comments and forming your own conclusions.

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Here is a link to 'St. Michael the Archangel' in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

[link to www.newadvent.org]

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I am a 5th generation Seventh-day Adventist and I have NEVER heard that Seventh Day Adventists believe Christ was Archangel Michael incarnate.
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[link to biblelight.net]
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On the link!
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Many others long before there ever were JW or SDA also knew the Bible truth Jesus is the archangel Michael. Archangel means chief of the angels. not an angel. (see: Matthew Henry commentary)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15332927


It could mean that the chief of the angels is an angel himself. Just the highest one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123

True is could mean that, but the SDA doctrine points to other scripture that they believe proves Michael to have the same position and power as Jesus, thus the same entity.

Jesus the Messiah on Earth, Michael the Chief of the Angels in Heaven (keep in mind that Michael means "one who is like God").

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