Redistribution of wealth is not good for anyone.

The way bankers, investors and company owners get rich is by exploiting your labour.
If they work 8 hours for the company and you do it, they do not give you an equal share of the profit. They also don't give you any decision making power. Cos you are just a worker and they are owners and investors.

If they were just, and they shared the profit between all who work equally. And if they didn't spent so much money on managers who take away responsibility and decision making power from a worker.

THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION.

(It would probably also mean that there never would have been a decision that made a company move to China)


Co-ownership, it's the only way.

You are a socialist. Goods and services require payment. There can never be a 1:1 ratio or anywhere near for companies to pay salaries based on output/production.

The bankers charges come to you when you use those services...thus you become the enabler.

I will fight people like you until the day I die. A utopia you will never get so you best get that idea out of your head. The longer it is in your head the longer a bias forms in regard to achieving a utopia and over time your mind will then look to cutting corners in making this utopia since you still aven't created said utopia. Work on your next goal, don't work for perfection and in time you will have that perfection.

Best wishes,
Cameron.

Last Edited by Ripples of Entropy on 05/12/2012 01:12 PM

shut yo mouf, I likes ma free obama rent, cell phone, medical drugs and fast food and other goodies.

In other words, finish your college/schooling and get on with your life. Put the pot down, start riding your bike again, don't listen to the iPod so much and find time to really love your woman, don't just use her as a sex object.

Your friend,
Cameron.

Last Edited by Ripples of Entropy on 05/12/2012 01:15 PM

You are forgetting the vast amount of wealth transferred from the middle class to the rich over the past 60 years in the western world (particularly in the US).

This transfer of wealth happened through tax regulations and forcing competition between the middle class in the west with cheap labor from asia (eg. in the 50's the tax rate for the wealthy was 70% in the US). What isn't claimed is that confiscating wealth is the answer to anything. What is needed is a more protectionist policy and realigning the tax rates to even the unbalance between the rich and poor out.

I believe the 9-9-9 plan would have worked near flawlessly given the times.

You aparantly have no idea how much energy and resources they expend blocking competitors so they can maintain monopolies and power.

Bribe governments to legislate in their favor, 'donate' to Ivy-league universities so their moronic brats can get in, reserve the better paying jobs for those with an Ivy-league degree, create barriers of entry for businesses, bloat the welfare state to drain middle class wealth, military and prison contracts, enable immigration to push down salaries... there are myriad ways.

I don't agree with flat-out redistribution but the system is rigged to favor a small group of people over the rest of us and the only reason you can't see it is you refuse to look.

Last Edited by D-503 on 05/12/2012 01:30 PM

best comment so far on current human (hierarchal) reality....we currently are forced to either look up to, serve or bow down to small groups of people who exploit people talents and labour..for corruptly gain artificially inflated profit, power and status. Sadly most are to dumb to realise...or equally greedy hoping they they will reach the same lofty heights too!

I believe in competition and small government. I just think that the corporate culture and top down decision making is inefficient and unjust.


I know you will fight me. You probably are conservative, it is in your genes to fight what is good for you. It is in your genes to fight for exploitation.

Good luck with that.

I will fight against exploitation, for co-ownership and a sharing of the profit based on working hours and nothing more.

I hope I win, I hope you are gonna cry real hard one day.

You simply finished up by saying some are workers some are managers

So you believe this:

I believe it would have given zero breaks to anyone and that's what is needed across the board.

Last Edited by Ripples of Entropy on 05/12/2012 01:35 PM

Yes the 9-9-9 plan where the poor get an even increased tax burden and the rich get an even further tax break.

Sounds totally sustainable...

Why would you give some idiot who can't even manage his own life - decision making authority in your company?

Yea because the rich should give up 20 percent of their earned income and fit the bill for anyone else too lazy to do the work and make their way up the chain.

Excellent point.

So you recommend a debt credit system of perpetual servitude for the poor. I thought you would recommend the poor go farm and grow their own, oh yeah that's right, if their not living in close proximity the rich can't easily monitor and dictate if they are living right or wrong. Where do you hide your 666 on your scalp? Under your foot?

fuck yourself you fucking piece of shit.

money should expire. Just because your rich grand daddy fucked a bunch of people with some bullshit scam and amassed a big pile of capital to use (by the very definition of capitalism) to benefit himself by using other people's hard work, doesn't make it correct or right.

and shove your rich boy labels up your asshole into your mouth.

The poor will remain poor until they work up the chain. They themselves are the root of their own problems. Addmittingky, it would be tough for them to be Promotable material but if the case ever happens you better believe they'll be doubly hard then on the next person that does up....why? Self preservation.

right. blame welfare for the fact that the capitalist scum has all the capital to create companies that benefit themselves. typical shill argument

And you should be put down like the dog you are.

bullshit. the chain is oiled up. You cannot save any capital to do anything significant with in this society.

Companies require workers do they not? Lazy bum.

Open mouth, insert foot.

Ah yeah of course everyone who doesn't make it to the top must be lazy. And the only thing that makes someone reach the top is purely the amount of time and effort put into it...

If that was actually the case I might even be inclined to agree with you. But that's not true by a long shot.

But that still does not change the fact that in the 60's a whole family could live of the income of 1 manufacturing job.

If a decision affects him or her, they have a say, and all who it affects have a say and all need to agree. That is just the way it should be.
It means there are no low poor jobs. All jobs require that you know what you do.

I cannot believe lots of people are really so stupid that they cannot handle it. I think we make people stupid by demanding so little and taking so much from them.

If you work somewhere for 10 years without having any responsibility but just sitting on your ass behind a machine, yeah, you probably will have lost the ability to do what I propose should be done by you.

But if young people join the workforce and know it is expected of all of them to be responsible for what they do and make decision for themselves and with all of those who are affected, it is just the way it is.

No more stupid low paying jobs.

And all have a good incentive to make the company prosper with their own decision and responsibility. And a better company means more profit for all.

I'll admit inflation s a bitch. A loaf f bread was what, 30-45 cents in the 60s. What was the average minimum wage? Just over 3 an hour. Bread is now about 1.75 a loaf and minimum wage is $7. You do the math. Also gas is much higher now.

Also, like Bloomberg has stated we will surely see $6 gas end of June. It's the final Divide between the final war.

The poor was the gravel needed for the carriages of time to pass on- wading into the war.

Last Edited by Ripples of Entropy on 05/12/2012 01:50 PM

you and all like you should be put in a big pot and cooked.

At the end of the day we have the status quo, don't we?