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TRYING TO FORCE THE END: The Ashes of the Red Heifer and the Ark of the Covenant (the Temple rebuild)

 
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TRYING TO FORCE THE END: The Ashes of the Red Heifer and the Ark of the Covenant (the Temple rebuild)
i remember seeing a news report on CNN a number of yrs ago that reported that the ashes of the red heifer were found.

in order to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, they need two things, the ashes of the red heifer, and the ark of the covenant.

Jesus will not return until the Temple is rebuilt.

i have recently read articles that say that a kosher red heifer exists and is alive and well now.

[link to www.greatdreams.com]

[link to www.templeinstitute.org]

[link to the70thweek.blogspot.com]

i know i saw a news report about somebody finding the old ashes. i know i did. it made the blood drain from my face. i immediately called my dad and we talked about it for at least an hour. it was when i was still in california before my daughter was born, so it had to be before 1999.

now, there isn't hide nor hair of it on the internet. not even bogus weirdo sites. nothing, nada...

The Future

As we've seen, there have been nine red heifers in Israel's history. If Melody is ruled not to be kosher, certainly another unblemished red heifer will come along in the near future, to become the tenth. What is the big deal about the tenth?

A rabbinic prophecy from Rabban Maimonides foretold that the Messiah would sacrifice the tenth red heifer at his coming. But if this prophecy is fulfilled, it will not be the true Messiah, but a false messiah - antichrist.
So many things are in place for the final seven years to begin. The church could be raptured at any moment. Are you ready?

[link to rondaniel.com]

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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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Re: TRYING TO FORCE THE END: The Ashes of the Red Heifer and the Ark of the Covenant (the Temple rebuild)
The Ashes of the Red Heifer

By Don K. Preston

[link to www.preteristarchive.com]

According to Jewish sources no flawless red heifer has been born in Israel since the fall of Jerusalem in A. D. 70. One Jewish activist said "We have been waiting 2,000 years for a sign from God, and now He has provided us with a red heifer." The calf is thus viewed as a sign of the imminent coming of the Messiah and reestablishment of the Temple with its sacrificial system.

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Some suggest the Ark of the Covenant is hidden somewhere near the Dead Sea, on the Jordan's west bank. According to one tradition, Jeremiah was the last to see the Ark and hid it in Mount Nebo on the Jordan River's east bank (now Jordan). According to another tradition it was taken to Egypt for safekeeping during the reign of Josiah.

The Israeli Temple Institute, an Ultra-Orthodox organization dedicated to rebuilding the Jewish Temple, is reported to have said; "the Ark is under the temple mount and will be revealed at the proper time - when the temple is rebuilt".

According to Scripture, the Messiah (Jesus) cannot come (2nd time) until the Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem. The Temple would be unfinished without both the real Ark of the Covenant and ashes of the Red Heifer

[link to www.greatdreams.com]
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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The 70th Week

This is a site created by two friends who for the past 6 years have been seriously studying the details of the 70th week of Daniel as described in the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. Of course this prophesy is also referenced in many other scriptures within God's Word. We are delighted that you have chose to visit our site. You will find a mix of conversations and ideas being shared here as well as current events that have caught our eye for various reasons.
Sunday, March 7, 2010
A Kosher Red Heifer is Alive and Well in Israel!
Curt Here...

According to the article and the audio link posted below, Rabbi Chaim Richman has announced on a radio show that there is at least one kosher red heifer alive and well in Israel. You can click on the audio link below and go to part 2, a little past 38 minutes in to hear the announcement for yourself. This is a very momentous announcement.

This is very significant from a prophetic and Jewish perspective as the ashes from a red heifer are required for purification and a requirement for the future Temple. Here is a quote from the website, "The Temple Institute", (you can find it here.. [link to www.templeinstitute.org] ) "For G-d has ordained that its ashes alone are the single missing ingredient for the reinstatement of Biblical purity - and thereafter, the rebuilding of the Holy Temple. "

With the recent completion of the sacrificial altar, and with the announcement from the Sanhedrin inviting the world to participate in the Korban Pesach sacrifice this Passover season, and now with the arrival of the red heifer you have to wonder if the time of our Savior's return is near.

[link to the70thweek.blogspot.com]
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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Re: TRYING TO FORCE THE END: The Ashes of the Red Heifer and the Ark of the Covenant (the Temple rebuild)
Current Preparations to Rebuild the Temple

Randall Price, president of World of the Bible Ministries, has provided the following summary of recent plans to rebuild the Temple. It is evident these plans are well advanced.

According to experts, detailed blueprints for the Third Temple have existed for the past four years. The plans were drawn according to the primary sources of information: the Bible, Josephus, and the Mishnah tractate known as Middot ("Measurements"). Other structures, including the Sanhedrin complex, have also been planned or actually built. The restored Temple complex envisioned by Ezekiel, is to be thirty times larger than that of previous Temples. The legal stipulations that the Sanhedrin will use to govern Israel's relationship to the rebuilt Temple and its services have already been researched and are in the process of being published by the Research Center for Jewish Thought under the direction of Yoel Lerner.

Since 1987, the Temple Institute, a group of rabbinical researchers, designers, and craftsmen, has been creating in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem what they call a "Temple-in-waiting." Among the 103 Temple items that have, or are in the process of being recreated are: apparel for the High Priest, sacrificial incense spices, urns, incense pans, the golden laver, and the stone vessel (kelal) for grinding and holding the purifying ashes of the red heifer, the golden menorah (lampstand), silver trumpets, the Golden Altar of Incense, and the Table of Shewbread. Other building projects include a full scale altar for the training of the priests. The Ark of the Covenant is believed to exist in a chamber under the Temple Mount. Another group active in the rebuilding of the Third Temple, the Temple Mount Faithful, has brought three cornerstones to Jerusalem from Mitzpe Ramon in the Negev. It is one of the few places in the Land of Israel where the character and color of the stone is similar to that from which the First and Second Temples were made.

According to rabbinic tradition, the Tribe of Levi was forbidden to alter their names (which connoted their priestly heritage) when assimilated into foreign cultures. Thus, we continue to this day to have Levis and Cohens, and derivatives of these names. Recently, a more scientific test to verify those of priestly lineage has appeared. A computerized list of all known priestly candidates in Israel is maintained. Orthodox organizations in Israel are helping to educate this priesthood.

In order for a Temple to be rebuilt today, those who would enter the holy areas must first be ritually pure. All jewish people have become ceremonially unclean in the Diaspora and must be purified by the ashes of the red heifer (described in Numbers 19). In 2002, a red heifer was born in Israel, the first in 2,000 years. Because the Jewish sage Maimonides taught that there had been nine red heifers between the beginning of the Tabernacle and the end of the Second Temple, and, that the tenth would be prepared by the Messianic King, a special urgency is attached to the recovery of the Temple Mount (1).

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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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there are groups in the world that are trying to force the end times, the rebuild, etc. these will not come to fruition.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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I read somewhere recently that they have more than 1 red heifer being kept hidden. Also recently in the news a group of young jewish people tried to smuggle a goat into the Temple Mount area for an open sacrifice on an alter. The Jewish police sent them away.

But I believe Jesus is biding his time til the time of the gentiles is fulfilled, before he returns the same way that he left (we'll see him in the clouds)
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Parah adumah -- the Red Heifer: When the Holy Temple is established it will be imperative for all who come to Jerusalem with their Pascal offering to first be purified via the ashes of the red heifer before they can ascend to the Holy Temple. In spite of it all, the red heifer remains to this day the most compelling and elusive mystery in the Holy Torah. Yet what the mystery reveals about our own nature and our relationship with G-d is most enlightening.

To view the full-length version of this teaching:
[link to universaltorah.com]

Visit us: [link to www.templeinstitute.org]


"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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I read somewhere recently that they have more than 1 red heifer being kept hidden. Also recently in the news a group of young jewish people tried to smuggle a goat into the Temple Mount area for an open sacrifice on an alter. The Jewish police sent them away.

But I believe Jesus is biding his time til the time of the gentiles is fulfilled, before he returns the same way that he left (we'll see him in the clouds)
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amen.
there must be two things happen as far as the kosher red heifer is concerned:

1 the ashes of the last kosher red heifer
2 to be mixed with the new kosher red heifer
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
--

“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
---

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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i remember seeing a news report on CNN a number of yrs ago that reported that the ashes of the red heifer were found.

in order to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, they need two things, the ashes of the red heifer, and the ark of the covenant.

Jesus will not return until the Temple is rebuilt.

i have recently read articles that say that a kosher red heifer exists and is alive and well now.

[link to www.greatdreams.com]

[link to www.templeinstitute.org]

[link to the70thweek.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Salt


Jesus being hogtied to old testament bullshit probably isn't pleasing to his ears.

"Kosher" red Heifer....good lord, you are so programmed all the manipulations and muddy waters have led you so far astray from the simplicity of God.
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huh? i have no clue what you are trying to accuse me of, but the answer would be no to what i think you are saying.
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If you believe that stuff you are yet another lost El worshipper parading under the auspice of being a follower of Christ.

Trust me, if you think anything you posted in your OP is important for "Christians" then yes, you are probably completely blind to the true love of God that Jesus tried to show you.

You worship words designed to honor El.

El isn't God.


All of Judaism is a construct of El worship stemming from the roots of the faith coming out of Post-Babylonian Egypt and other areas close to what was then referred to as Lower Egypt.

Later, the Christ came to free you of all the bonds of that false worship, in fact, Jesus spent his entire time as an activist trying to show people the simplicity of our relationship with God. He devoted his life to this, and his legacy should be remembered as such.

Now you basically spit in his face, and dishonor all he tried to show, but attempting to tie his name to some useless bullshit Judaic goodly gook that was never even translated correctly from the get go.

yet you probably sit around and bend every event you can to try and make your insanity apply to the distortion.

I would urge you to look past the lies which are the books of Abrahams slaves, and try and see the world the way Jesus wanted you to.

Free of religion, and free of scripture and free of bondage and free of enslavement to the priesthood.

Good luck, from the looks of the stretching you are trying here, you will need it.

Be strong, ask Jesus for guidance, and get rid of all your Bibles and Torahs and Qu'rans and go take a long hard look at the world outside the confines of these restrictive devices of misery, hatred, and ignorance.
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how is not considering the blending of the OT torah and the prophecy events in revelation not making me a good Christian?

this is what happens in the end times.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
---

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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Parah adumah -- the Red Heifer: When the Holy Temple is established it will be imperative for all who come to Jerusalem with their Pascal offering to first be purified via the ashes of the red heifer before they can ascend to the Holy Temple. In spite of it all, the red heifer remains to this day the most compelling and elusive mystery in the Holy Torah. Yet what the mystery reveals about our own nature and our relationship with G-d is most enlightening.

To view the full-length version of this teaching:
[link to universaltorah.com]

Visit us: [link to www.templeinstitute.org]


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Are you Jewish? Is that why you exclude writing out the full three letters?

God would know you were intending to write his name, trying to trick God is also pretty ridiculous.

The "G-d" of the OT is not one to be trifled with, you would already be damned for even thinking about writing out the name.

Why not stick to YHWH like all the other slaves?
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The legend of the Red Heifer is as old as the bible itself. The story of a young cow, which according to Jewish people, is capable of changing the world. Animal X travelled to Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem to investigate what many believe is a modern day miracle -- the discovery of a perfect Red Heifer, that meets all the Biblical requirements of a sacred animal. We also go trekking with an American archaeologist who claims to have found the ashes of the original Red Heifer, lost for over two thousand years. As we approach a new millennium, Animal X asks could this Red Heifer be a sign that the world is waiting for?



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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
---

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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how is not considering the blending of the OT torah and the prophecy events in revelation not making me a good Christian?

this is what happens in the end times.
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No, it doesn't.

Jesus wasn't interested in anything inside the Torah.

He used that notion of God only because all the people he was trying to convince were already Jewish, and had grown up with that general concept.

Using the OT for anything is Anti-Christ, unless of course you are trying to show people how NOT to get closer to God.
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how is not considering the blending of the OT torah and the prophecy events in revelation not making me a good Christian?

this is what happens in the end times.
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No, it doesn't.

Jesus wasn't interested in anything inside the Torah.

He used that notion of God only because all the people he was trying to convince were already Jewish, and had grown up with that general concept.

Using the OT for anything is Anti-Christ, unless of course you are trying to show people how NOT to get closer to God.
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these are the activities of MEN in the end times. it has nothing to do with Jesus in that sense.

no, i am not Jewish.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
---

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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The legend of the Red Heifer is as old as the bible itself. The story of a young cow, which according to Jewish people, is capable of changing the world. Animal X travelled to Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem to investigate what many believe is a modern day miracle -- the discovery of a perfect Red Heifer, that meets all the Biblical requirements of a sacred animal. We also go trekking with an American archaeologist who claims to have found the ashes of the original Red Heifer, lost for over two thousand years. As we approach a new millennium, Animal X asks could this Red Heifer be a sign that the world is waiting for?


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Yes God....the all mighty creator, has set everything up to hinge on a Red Cow........


I mean seriously, you just have to look at this kind of spell weaving sorcery and know that this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff Christ talked about incessantly while he was alive.

I guess ignorance is bliss for Xtians with zero conscious.
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Jesus spoketh upon me this morning the temple was never going to be built.
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The legend of the Red Heifer is as old as the bible itself. The story of a young cow, which according to Jewish people, is capable of changing the world. Animal X travelled to Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem to investigate what many believe is a modern day miracle -- the discovery of a perfect Red Heifer, that meets all the Biblical requirements of a sacred animal. We also go trekking with an American archaeologist who claims to have found the ashes of the original Red Heifer, lost for over two thousand years. As we approach a new millennium, Animal X asks could this Red Heifer be a sign that the world is waiting for?


 Quoting: Salt


Yes God....the all mighty creator, has set everything up to hinge on a Red Cow........


I mean seriously, you just have to look at this kind of spell weaving sorcery and know that this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff Christ talked about incessantly while he was alive.

I guess ignorance is bliss for Xtians with zero conscious.
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whatever. you can't see the forest for the trees, brother.

it is not hinging on the red heifer, but the heifer is a pivotal piece to rebuilding the temple which come prior to Jesus' return.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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“Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper
---

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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how is not considering the blending of the OT torah and the prophecy events in revelation not making me a good Christian?

this is what happens in the end times.
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No, it doesn't.

Jesus wasn't interested in anything inside the Torah.

He used that notion of God only because all the people he was trying to convince were already Jewish, and had grown up with that general concept.

Using the OT for anything is Anti-Christ, unless of course you are trying to show people how NOT to get closer to God.
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these are the activities of MEN in the end times. it has nothing to do with Jesus in that sense.

no, i am not Jewish.
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If you are not Jewish, why are you so obsessed with their fairytales designed around their cults of Enlil to the point where you try and again, hogtie it to Jesus.

Do you think he would be impressed with your act?

I am seriously curious, there are more Christians who act like jewish people than I ever imagined possible.

Its like the belief in Jesus is just a facade, and you are all worshipping YHWH/El/Enlil and really, could care less.

at least, thats the immersion you leave.
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Jesus spoketh upon today and said "Get off my lawn"
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The legend of the Red Heifer is as old as the bible itself. The story of a young cow, which according to Jewish people, is capable of changing the world. Animal X travelled to Israel and the holy city of Jerusalem to investigate what many believe is a modern day miracle -- the discovery of a perfect Red Heifer, that meets all the Biblical requirements of a sacred animal. We also go trekking with an American archaeologist who claims to have found the ashes of the original Red Heifer, lost for over two thousand years. As we approach a new millennium, Animal X asks could this Red Heifer be a sign that the world is waiting for?


 Quoting: Salt


Yes God....the all mighty creator, has set everything up to hinge on a Red Cow........


I mean seriously, you just have to look at this kind of spell weaving sorcery and know that this is EXACTLY the kind of stuff Christ talked about incessantly while he was alive.

I guess ignorance is bliss for Xtians with zero conscious.
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whatever. you can't see the forest for the trees, brother.

it is not hinging on the red heifer, but the heifer is a pivotal piece to rebuilding the temple which come prior to Jesus' return.
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Well....you are saying it is pivotal.....to rebuilding the Third Temple of Solomon

A hinge is a pivotal point...... -______-

You again, are saying these things, I am just asking you about the things you are saying.

So again, why hogtie Judaic Enlil worship(which is just Babylonian cult remnants) to Jesus and the things he stood for?

It is the definition of anti-Christ...yet you seem utterly oblivious as to why I am saying that.

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Re: TRYING TO FORCE THE END: The Ashes of the Red Heifer and the Ark of the Covenant (the Temple rebuild)
how is not considering the blending of the OT torah and the prophecy events in revelation not making me a good Christian?

this is what happens in the end times.
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No, it doesn't.

Jesus wasn't interested in anything inside the Torah.

He used that notion of God only because all the people he was trying to convince were already Jewish, and had grown up with that general concept.

Using the OT for anything is Anti-Christ, unless of course you are trying to show people how NOT to get closer to God.
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these are the activities of MEN in the end times. it has nothing to do with Jesus in that sense.

no, i am not Jewish.
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If you are not Jewish, why are you so obsessed with their fairytales designed around their cults of Enlil to the point where you try and again, hogtie it to Jesus.

Do you think he would be impressed with your act?

I am seriously curious, there are more Christians who act like jewish people than I ever imagined possible.

Its like the belief in Jesus is just a facade, and you are all worshipping YHWH/El/Enlil and really, could care less.

at least, thats the immersion you leave.
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wtf? i have no idea where you are going, so i am choosing to not communicate with you on this level.

you are throwing around wild assumptions.
fairytales and cults of Enlil???


i have not one clue what you are saying. doesn't apply to me at all, nor the meaning of this thread.

so... peace to you
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Why would Christ want one of his creatures put to death like some ancient group of savages.

Jesus doesn't need blood of an animal to return. There is already plenty of animal blood......human!
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this is interesting, regarding the rumor, but i am not sure i am sold on it.

The Lost Ark and the Ashes of the Red Heifer.

By Rabbi Stanley Chester

The Ashes Of The Red Heifer
This is one of two big rumors running around the Christian and Messianic community. The other is the search for the Ark of the Covenant (which I will deal with next on this page).

As for the ashes of the red heifer, let's understand one thing at the get go. The ashes are not needed in order to get the 3rd Temple going. Also the original ashes are not needed at all. Those who go around soliciting money from church organizations are simply using this as a gimmick (same goes for those "looking" for the lost Ark). When the 3rd Temple is built, there will be plenty of red heifers available. The last time my dad was in Israel (a few months ago) he counted 9 red heifers that would be able to fill the requirements. This whole idea of the red heifer being perfect has been blown way out of proportion. Being "perfect" simply meant that it didn't have any broken bones or have easily seen cuts or scars. The last "nomination" (that was recently sent around) discounted a small red calf because it had a couple white hairs. This is absurd. This is not Biblical. So where did this idea of perfect come from? It comes from the Talmud. (Messianics are not called to be "Rabbinical jewish people". That means we, as followers of Jesus the Messiah, are to follow the Bible not the Talmud. Does that mean not to read the Talmud? No, I've studied it for years, it has a wealth of information. But does that mean we are to follow it as Cannon [inspired Word of G-d]? No! We are to follow the Bible.)

Where would this "perfect" idea ever end? Would it mean that a calf that had a disease that develops only when it becomes an adult cow would be discounted? It wouldn't be "perfect" if it had one of these diseases would it? How would those in Biblical times know some of the myriad of diseases that we are aware of now with all our scientific advances? They wouldn't know! The priests in Temple times wouldn't accept a cow that came in limping or had an ear cut off or something along those lines but that's as far as it goes. Those in Biblical days sought out a red heifer that didn't have any broken bones or deformities etc that were easily seen and it didn't matter one drop if it had a few different colored hairs.

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"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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Why do you think we (The US) is conquering the hell out of the middle east?

Besides, Red Bull gives you wings.
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Why would Christ want one of his creatures put to death like some ancient group of savages.

Jesus doesn't need blood of an animal to return. There is already plenty of animal blood......human!
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again... these are the activities of MEN the take place before Jesus' return. it has nothing to do with requirements of Jesus. they are merely events that will happen before.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
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also, there are many groups trying to FORCE the hand of God and end time prophecy fulfillment. this will not come to fruition.
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
--Michah 6:8
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Btw, the modern resting place of the Ark is/was in Iraq. I keep telling you guys, there's a reason why we invaded. chuckle

"...took all the holy vessels of the Lord, both great and small, and the ark of God, and the king's treasures, and carried them away into Babylon." (1 Esdras 1:54)
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Btw, the modern resting place of the Ark is/was in Iraq. I keep telling you guys, there's a reason why we invaded. chuckle

"...took all the holy vessels of the Lord, both great and small, and the ark of God, and the king's treasures, and carried them away into Babylon." (1 Esdras 1:54)
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hmmmm. there's also a farm in america somewhere that is breeding kosher red calfs
"The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27
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Btw, the modern resting place of the Ark is/was in Iraq. I keep telling you guys, there's a reason why we invaded. chuckle

"...took all the holy vessels of the Lord, both great and small, and the ark of God, and the king's treasures, and carried them away into Babylon." (1 Esdras 1:54)
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hmmmm. there's also a farm in america somewhere that is breeding kosher red calfs
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There's also a chance it's in Iran. Do you remember the whole WMD thing?

The ark is a WMD.

The Crusades, Desert Storm and Desert Shield, the War on Terror are all masking one thing: The search for the Ark.