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UPDATED - - - - FINALLY! New Information from IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a highly magnetized/energetic region of the Fluff!!!

 
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the fossil records show all types of species that developed that were not able to survive in there environment because they were not able to adapt to the changes that came. if you came about during a time when we were not at this point in space and then we went through it, guess what? you are not going to make it.

we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt.

what can cause fertility to come to a grinding halt on a grand scale? you guessed it. the sun.
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You are so full of BS. You did not respond to my other questions. Show me the proof of your current statement. The so called fossil records. lol Where do you come up with this stuff. ROFL sk
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

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Blacks wouldn't have made it in the far north or in the far south where UVB sunlight is much more limited. White people produce a lot more vitamin D needed for proper DNA functioning. Ever wonder why blacks tend to have more health problems and live shorter? It is estimated that 90% of blacks are deficient in vitamin D in USA...
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From the same article you linked. It is exactly the example I gave.

Scientists thought that if our Solar System was traveling fast enough, the pressure of our heliosphere plowing through the interstellar medium material would cause that material to greatly slow down and pile up in front of our heliosphere, forming a "bow shock," in a similar fashion to how air piles up in front of a supersonic jet forming a sound wave shock or "sonic boom."

Instead, a "bow wave" is more likely present, which is an area where material is more dense than the surrounding interstellar medium, but no shock forms. Bow waves are what you see in front of the bow of a boat as it pushes through still water.

[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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That's correct, if there was More Pressure there would be a 'Shock', but, there ISN'T enough pressure to form a shock. That why the 'Shock' has been downgraded to a 'Wave'. There is LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN THEY THOUGHT.

Again, What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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TBar, I think you are getting confused with direction of the various mediums (heliosphere, cloud and interstellar magnetic field), and density of what we are in now. Directional flow is something you need to look into.

Did you look at the picture they provided in the link?

Notice, not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism.

Not the right combination...do you understand the variables involved, and what various 'combinations' can effect?
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Tbar, basically you need to imagine bubble flowing through air. With constant pressure at the CENTER of bubbles main axis of direction, you will get a constant force. If you change that pressure from the center of the bubble to an outward portion, than the forces will NOT be constant with the axis of movement. Causing the effect OP has tried explaining. It's not hard to understand, seriously.
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Either he is a really good at trolling, or has an extreme case of selective reading comprehension
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the fossil records show all types of species that developed that were not able to survive in there environment because they were not able to adapt to the changes that came. if you came about during a time when we were not at this point in space and then we went through it, guess what? you are not going to make it.

we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt.

what can cause fertility to come to a grinding halt on a grand scale? you guessed it. the sun.
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You are so full of BS. You did not respond to my other questions. Show me the proof of your current statement. The so called fossil records. lol Where do you come up with this stuff. ROFL sk
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

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If "white humans" did not survive due to lack of melanin, how do you explain their existence?

You can "mix it once, but you can't divert it after the mixing". Where do "white humans" come from then?
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the fossil records show all types of species that developed that were not able to survive in there environment because they were not able to adapt to the changes that came. if you came about during a time when we were not at this point in space and then we went through it, guess what? you are not going to make it.

we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt.

what can cause fertility to come to a grinding halt on a grand scale? you guessed it. the sun.
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You are so full of BS. You did not respond to my other questions. Show me the proof of your current statement. The so called fossil records. lol Where do you come up with this stuff. ROFL sk
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

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This absolutely BS. Show me the fossil records. Links to anything to support your statement. You never responded to my other questions regarding chakras and pineal gland calcification. what no proof of that either. Just more BS stories on the internet. sk
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You are so full of BS. You did not respond to my other questions. Show me the proof of your current statement. The so called fossil records. lol Where do you come up with this stuff. ROFL sk
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

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Blacks wouldn't have made it in the far north or in the far south where UVB sunlight is much more limited. White people produce a lot more vitamin D needed for proper DNA functioning. Ever wonder why blacks tend to have more health problems and live shorter? It is estimated that 90% of blacks are deficient in vitamin D in USA...
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For the record you transposed my posts with John publics. Please check when editing by previewing before posting. John public has some strange Ideas unsupported with any facts and I do not want his BS attributed to me. Thanks sk
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the IBEX articles it say's anything about 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a denser region of the Fluff'.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

The Article by From Dave McComas, IBEX Principal Investigator says JUST THE OPPOSITE. Read it. This is just as bad as the Lorenzo Iorio Moon Paper where people on the internet claimed the Paper said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the Author said it did.

Instead of having Higher Pressure & Density associated with a denser cloud, the paper says 'Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form..."

LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE.

"As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

The article just said LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE, therefore, slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

It's right there, how people can claim it says just the OPPOSITE is a mystery. The articles say NOTHING ABOUT BEING IN A DENSER AREA.

If you look back at the meeting were this paper originated you will find that the 'Ten Thousand' year estimate of leaving the Cloud we have been in for Tens of Thousands of years has been changed to Hundreds or ONE Thousand years. We Have Been In The Cloud For Basically Ever And Are About To LEAVE IT. Again, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE.

These observations show that our Sun is moving through a Local Interstellar Cloud as this cloud flows outwards from the Scorpius-Centaurus Association star forming region. Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

The Video has placed a MUCH shorter time frame on Exiting the Cloud from above;

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You are so full of BS. You did not respond to my other questions. Show me the proof of your current statement. The so called fossil records. lol Where do you come up with this stuff. ROFL sk
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

 Quoting: seeker2


Blacks wouldn't have made it in the far north or in the far south where UVB sunlight is much more limited. White people produce a lot more vitamin D needed for proper DNA functioning. Ever wonder why blacks tend to have more health problems and live shorter? It is estimated that 90% of blacks are deficient in vitamin D in USA...
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unfortunately the same thing that allows you to live in the northern hemisphere, lack of melanin, will be the same thing that will cause you to be affected on a far greater scale to solar changes.

without the magnetic field the suns rays will be intensified. one of the by products of extreme exposure to ultra violet rays affect fertility. this is known. well known in fact.

we both agree to some extent. you just refuse to make the leap to the inevitable. more ultraviolet rays means a lower fertility rate. who is the most vulnerable of us on this planet to such phenomenon? less melanated people.


btw we also produce vitamin d. we have to remain in the sun longer to do it because of the natural sun screen we posses.

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That's correct, if there was More Pressure there would be a 'Shock', but, there ISN'T enough pressure to form a shock. That why the 'Shock' has been downgraded to a 'Wave'. There is LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN THEY THOUGHT.

Again, What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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TBar, I think you are getting confused with direction of the various mediums (heliosphere, cloud and interstellar magnetic field), and density of what we are in now. Directional flow is something you need to look into.

Did you look at the picture they provided in the link?

Notice, not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism.

Not the right combination...do you understand the variables involved, and what various 'combinations' can effect?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Tbar, basically you need to imagine bubble flowing through air. With constant pressure at the CENTER of bubbles main axis of direction, you will get a constant force. If you change that pressure from the center of the bubble to an outward portion, than the forces will NOT be constant with the axis of movement. Causing the effect OP has tried explaining. It's not hard to understand, seriously.
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Either he is a really good at trolling, or has an extreme case of selective reading comprehension
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SHOW ME ANYTHING IN THESES ARTICLES THAT SAY WE ARE ENTERING A DENSER AREA.

IT IS NOT THERE, IT IS YOU THAT CANNOT READ.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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"we have always coexisted along side melanin deficient species but they never make it. explain where they went. explain why they simply stopped existing. as if someone cut off a switch and they all died at the same time. only explanation is fertility came to a grinding halt."

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Blacks wouldn't have made it in the far north or in the far south where UVB sunlight is much more limited. White people produce a lot more vitamin D needed for proper DNA functioning. Ever wonder why blacks tend to have more health problems and live shorter? It is estimated that 90% of blacks are deficient in vitamin D in USA...
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For the record you transposed my posts with John publics. Please check when editing by previewing before posting. John public has some strange Ideas unsupported with any facts and I do not want his BS attributed to me. Thanks sk
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Huh. I see that now. Sorry about that.
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Just like the ancient plasma spark cave pictures.
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Also this discovery is also a probable factor...

Discovery of existing ion pathway's to the sun...

[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
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The increased sighting of these...

NLCs INVADE THE USA - More perplex and vex

...are probably associated with the process of entering the magnetic fluff..

[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
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For those who are interested in connecting the dots surrounding extreme earth changes this compilation of recent discovery may be of interest...

12 Recent Discoveries Which Change EVERYTHING!

[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
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Another recently reported phenomena Mystery Booms - a growing trend could also be associated with the escalating effects of the cited extreme earth change process...

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Mr public

You make some statements. None of which are substantiated, with any links.

Then you make assumptions that there with be more UV rays as a result of entering the fluff cloud, for which I see no evidence. You have some interesting Ideas, unfortunately they remain unsupported by any facts. Such as Blacks have 9 chakras, and their pineal gland are not calcified.

I have taught hundreds of people to read Aura's for a living. And calcification was never an issue in them learning to develop this ability. Please stop posting unsubstantiated information that you read in someones post or blog. Thanks
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What if the measurement was wrong in the first place and we've always been in this fluff and always will be in our lifetimes which makes this not very interesting.
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Yes, interesting...

The same with the decay rate, what if it is a varible and not a constant... So many things will be even more uncertain.
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They found that the alpha constant is variable as well. They don't know if it is variable from location in the universe, or time.
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nuclear decay rate depends on neutrino flux.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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TBar, I think you are getting confused with direction of the various mediums (heliosphere, cloud and interstellar magnetic field), and density of what we are in now. Directional flow is something you need to look into.

Did you look at the picture they provided in the link?

Notice, not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism.

Not the right combination...do you understand the variables involved, and what various 'combinations' can effect?
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Tbar, basically you need to imagine bubble flowing through air. With constant pressure at the CENTER of bubbles main axis of direction, you will get a constant force. If you change that pressure from the center of the bubble to an outward portion, than the forces will NOT be constant with the axis of movement. Causing the effect OP has tried explaining. It's not hard to understand, seriously.
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Either he is a really good at trolling, or has an extreme case of selective reading comprehension
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SHOW ME ANYTHING IN THESES ARTICLES THAT SAY WE ARE ENTERING A DENSER AREA.

IT IS NOT THERE, IT IS YOU THAT CANNOT READ.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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It turns out that the Sun is moving through interstellar gas at 52,000 miles (84,000 km) per hour, about 12% slower than previously measured by the Ulysses spacecraft.

So what does the new model look like? IBEX's observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across. Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun's slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a "bow wave," a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.


Pretty clear to me

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[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]

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There you go. THERE IS NOTHING IN THESE ARTICLES THAT 'verify' THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD. NOTHING.

WE HAVE BEEN PASSING THROUGH THE CLOUD FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND ARE ABOUT TO LEAVE IT.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the IBEX articles it say's anything about 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a denser region of the Fluff'.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

The Article by From Dave McComas, IBEX Principal Investigator says JUST THE OPPOSITE. Read it. This is just as bad as the Lorenzo Iorio Moon Paper where people on the internet claimed the Paper said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the Author said it did.

Instead of having Higher Pressure & Density associated with a denser cloud, the paper says 'Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form..."

LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE.

"As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

The article just said LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE, therefore, slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

It's right there, how people can claim it says just the OPPOSITE is a mystery. The articles say NOTHING ABOUT BEING IN A DENSER AREA.

If you look back at the meeting were this paper originated you will find that the 'Ten Thousand' year estimate of leaving the Cloud we have been in for Tens of Thousands of years has been changed to Hundreds or ONE Thousand years. We Have Been In The Cloud For Basically Ever And Are About To LEAVE IT. Again, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE.

These observations show that our Sun is moving through a Local Interstellar Cloud as this cloud flows outwards from the Scorpius-Centaurus Association star forming region. Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

The Video has placed a MUCH shorter time frame on Exiting the Cloud from above;


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Tell me how that works. They just REMOVED the Bow Shock that is associated with a Denser medium and replaced it with a Bow Wave that is associated with a Thinner medium with LESS pressure. How do you get 'entering a denser region of the Fluff' out of that?

Here;
'Using that new information and combining it with improved inferences of the local interstellar magnetic field strength, we are announcing that one of our major questions has been at least partially answered: the bow shock, a region where the interstellar density was thought to discontinuously jump up as it tries to avoid colliding with our heliosphere, does not, in fact, exist. These results are now available in a new paper published online in the May 10, 2012 issue of Science Express....Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form...Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand."
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

How do you get a denser region out of that? There is LESS PRESSURE, hence NOT 'more dense'.

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I think you are misreading that. It does not mean there is 25 percent less than normal , it means 25 percent less coming from the front than expected(which is what would lead to bowshock).
So basically it is saying the denser gas is not colliding head on , and or it is 25 less dense than expected . It is a well established fact that the heliospere has shrunk over the last 50 years or so years , voyager proved this conclusively . So I really do not know what you are arguing . There is nothing to debate , the sun is moving more slowly through space by 12 percent, or did you miss that part .
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look above where you bold the text about 2 sentences and you will see " interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour "

work on your reading comprehension this is the 25 percent talked about
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Right, that's why they removed the Bow Shock, because we're in a denser area of space. That's the complete OPPOSITE of what the article says. They REMOVED the Bow Shock because there is LESS Pressure & Density, than previously though, not more.

You're the one that needs 'reading comprehension'.

[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

Show me this "It is a well established fact that the heliospere has shrunk over the last 50 years or so years , voyager proved this conclusively"
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Here is one such article referring to a paper written. What you are failing to realize is regardless of how big the heliospere IS from bow wave or bow shock, Voyager has recorded increased cosmic rays and electron bombardment as it approaches the HELIOPPAUSE . You see it has been recording what has been coming into the solar system as it has been exiting it. It has recorded an increase in temperature and electronic excitement BEFORE IT HAS EXITED which could only support a more intense region of plasma we are moving into( although its exact boundry is yet unknown)This has also been well verified via spectral analysis from Cassini . All this paper is really saying is our heliospere is larger than originally thought, but it does not dismiss previous finding . While the OP maybe a little off , the previous evidence is still correct

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What if the measurement was wrong in the first place and we've always been in this fluff and always will be in our lifetimes which makes this not very interesting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1195793


Yes, interesting...

The same with the decay rate, what if it is a varible and not a constant... So many things will be even more uncertain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4476227


They found that the alpha constant is variable as well. They don't know if it is variable from location in the universe, or time.
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nuclear decay rate depends on neutrino flux.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I wasn't talking about decay rate. I was talking about the alpha constant.

They found that changes in the decay rate coincided with neutrino flux, which is tied to specific cycle of the sun. You are correct.
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the IBEX articles it say's anything about 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a denser region of the Fluff'.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

The Article by From Dave McComas, IBEX Principal Investigator says JUST THE OPPOSITE. Read it. This is just as bad as the Lorenzo Iorio Moon Paper where people on the internet claimed the Paper said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the Author said it did.

Instead of having Higher Pressure & Density associated with a denser cloud, the paper says 'Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form..."

LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE.

"As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

The article just said LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE, therefore, slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

It's right there, how people can claim it says just the OPPOSITE is a mystery. The articles say NOTHING ABOUT BEING IN A DENSER AREA.

If you look back at the meeting were this paper originated you will find that the 'Ten Thousand' year estimate of leaving the Cloud we have been in for Tens of Thousands of years has been changed to Hundreds or ONE Thousand years. We Have Been In The Cloud For Basically Ever And Are About To LEAVE IT. Again, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE.

These observations show that our Sun is moving through a Local Interstellar Cloud as this cloud flows outwards from the Scorpius-Centaurus Association star forming region. Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

The Video has placed a MUCH shorter time frame on Exiting the Cloud from above;


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:d maybe non-cloud is denser than cloud yoda
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Mr public

You make some statements. None of which are substantiated, with any links.

Then you make assumptions that there with be more UV rays as a result of entering the fluff cloud, for which I see no evidence. You have some interesting Ideas, unfortunately they remain unsupported by any facts. Such as Blacks have 9 chakras, and their pineal gland are not calcified.

I have taught hundreds of people to read Aura's for a living. And calcification was never an issue in them learning to develop this ability. Please stop posting unsubstantiated information that you read in someones post or blog. Thanks
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i did not make this claim Mr. seeker (glad to see we can be civil in this discussion as this was my intent from the beginning). they were made by another poster.

my argument is that the earths magnetic field protects it from harmful rays coming in. these harmful rays can and do cause infertility in high enough doses.

melanin acts the same as the earths magnetic field in that it helps block harmful solar rays.

if (a) the earths magnetic field fails or drops and (b) exposes earths inhabitants to more harmful solar rays then (c) those of us who do not poses a natural barrier (melanin) will be more susceptible to the harmful effects associated with the increased solar exposure.

this would mean a decrease in the fertility rate or ability to have offspring and also increased skin cancer rates. yes blacks do get skin cancer too and due to the fact that we do not get it diagnosed early it is generally more radical. this is due to a lot of things btw and one of which is a distrust of the western healthcare system. however, we are not as susceptible to it as our non melanated counterparts.

it was also mentioned that blacks suffer a lot of different ailments due to having excess melanin in the northern and southern hemispheres and that would be correct. however in an instance where the earths magnetic field is reduced we would be able to live in those regions without the same affects that plague us now.
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In 2009 NASA made a statement.

December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist.

In part... NASA said this...

The fact that the Fluff is strongly magnetized means that other clouds in the galactic neighborhood could be, too. Eventually, the solar system will run into some of them, and their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now.

Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space. On the other hand, astronauts wouldn't have to travel so far because interstellar space would be closer than ever. These events would play out on time scales of tens to hundreds of thousands of years, which is how long it takes for the solar system to move from one cloud to the next.

(This just might be the understatement of the century.)

"There could be interesting times ahead!" so says a NASA representative.

links here

[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
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[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
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Tape worm great links thanks. sk
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In 2009 NASA made a statement.

December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist.

In part... NASA said this...

The fact that the Fluff is strongly magnetized means that other clouds in the galactic neighborhood could be, too. Eventually, the solar system will run into some of them, and their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now.

Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space. On the other hand, astronauts wouldn't have to travel so far because interstellar space would be closer than ever. These events would play out on time scales of tens to hundreds of thousands of years, which is how long it takes for the solar system to move from one cloud to the next.

(This just might be the understatement of the century.)

"There could be interesting times ahead!" so says a NASA representative.

links here

[link to beyondprophecy.blogspot.ca]
 Quoting: TapeWorm


We are in a very strongly magnetized region right now.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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The two Voyager spacecraft have confirmed the existence of the first boundary, and have seen evidence for the second as they move toward it. However, each Voyager spacecraft has seen different things on their respective trips – one moving in a more northerly direction, one moving more to the south. They've encountered different regions at different distances from the sun, suggesting the very shape of the heliosphere is squashed and asymmetrical. Scientists believe this asymmetry is caused by the force and direction of magnetic fields ramming into the heliosphere from outside, the same way a hand pushing on a balloon will force it out of shape. This was the first clue that there's a strong magnetic field exerting pressure on the outskirts of the solar system. Independently, IBEX has seen a well-defined band, or ribbon, at the edge of the heliosphere, believed to be defined by this external magnetic field. Other studies from IBEX have helped quantify the magnitude of the magnetic field, showing that it is on the strong end of what was previously thought possible.
[link to www.nasa.gov]
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the IBEX articles it say's anything about 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a denser region of the Fluff'.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

The Article by From Dave McComas, IBEX Principal Investigator says JUST THE OPPOSITE. Read it. This is just as bad as the Lorenzo Iorio Moon Paper where people on the internet claimed the Paper said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the Author said it did.

Instead of having Higher Pressure & Density associated with a denser cloud, the paper says 'Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form..."

LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE.

"As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

The article just said LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE, therefore, slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

It's right there, how people can claim it says just the OPPOSITE is a mystery. The articles say NOTHING ABOUT BEING IN A DENSER AREA.

If you look back at the meeting were this paper originated you will find that the 'Ten Thousand' year estimate of leaving the Cloud we have been in for Tens of Thousands of years has been changed to Hundreds or ONE Thousand years. We Have Been In The Cloud For Basically Ever And Are About To LEAVE IT. Again, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE.

These observations show that our Sun is moving through a Local Interstellar Cloud as this cloud flows outwards from the Scorpius-Centaurus Association star forming region. Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

The Video has placed a MUCH shorter time frame on Exiting the Cloud from above;


 Quoting: TBar1984


:d maybe non-cloud is denser than cloud yoda
 Quoting: Plane

Those two images from 2002 make it perfectly clear. One is the far away version showing the three little wisps [link to apod.nasa.gov] The other is the close in version showings us about to exit the middle wisp [link to apod.nasa.gov]
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Mr public

You make some statements. None of which are substantiated, with any links.

Then you make assumptions that there with be more UV rays as a result of entering the fluff cloud, for which I see no evidence. You have some interesting Ideas, unfortunately they remain unsupported by any facts. Such as Blacks have 9 chakras, and their pineal gland are not calcified.

I have taught hundreds of people to read Aura's for a living. And calcification was never an issue in them learning to develop this ability. Please stop posting unsubstantiated information that you read in someones post or blog. Thanks
 Quoting: seeker2


i did not make this claim Mr. seeker (glad to see we can be civil in this discussion as this was my intent from the beginning). they were made by another poster.

my argument is that the earths magnetic field protects it from harmful rays coming in. these harmful rays can and do cause infertility in high enough doses.

melanin acts the same as the earths magnetic field in that it helps block harmful solar rays.

if (a) the earths magnetic field fails or drops and (b) exposes earths inhabitants to more harmful solar rays then (c) those of us who do not poses a natural barrier (melanin) will be more susceptible to the harmful effects associated with the increased solar exposure.

this would mean a decrease in the fertility rate or ability to have offspring and also increased skin cancer rates. yes blacks do get skin cancer too and due to the fact that we do not get it diagnosed early it is generally more radical. this is due to a lot of things btw and one of which is a distrust of the western healthcare system. however, we are not as susceptible to it as our non melanated counterparts.

it was also mentioned that blacks suffer a lot of different ailments due to having excess melanin in the northern and southern hemispheres and that would be correct. however in an instance where the earths magnetic field is reduced we would be able to live in those regions without the same affects that plague us now.
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You mentioned fossil records, prove that fair skinned people have gone exstint in the past. Link please.

You have a lot of what ifs in you statement. What evidence do you have that any thing like this occurred in the past. Ie. fertility rates dropping due to increased UV rays.

There has been so many posts on GLP recently trying to drive wedges in our society based on skin color. Enough.

I am currently married to a Thai and my son is married to a lady of mexican heritage, so I am not biased in my presentment in regards to skin color. Quite frankly, since living in Thailand I have found that the darker skinned Thais have much more problem with sun exposure than do most of my fair skinned friends here, once they get a base going. sk
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Is this why everyone is so fucking tired all the time? Myself included...
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I was wondering about that too.
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the IBEX articles it say's anything about 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a denser region of the Fluff'.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

The Article by From Dave McComas, IBEX Principal Investigator says JUST THE OPPOSITE. Read it. This is just as bad as the Lorenzo Iorio Moon Paper where people on the internet claimed the Paper said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the Author said it did.

Instead of having Higher Pressure & Density associated with a denser cloud, the paper says 'Recent scientific results from the IBEX spacecraft have shown that our Solar System is traveling slower with respect to the interstellar medium, and interstellar material is coming into our Solar System from a slightly different direction than previously thought. That difference in speed, about 7,000 miles per hour (11,000 kilometers per hour), does not sound like much but it means that there is about 25% less pressure in the region in front of our heliosphere. What this also means is that there is not the right combination of density, speed, pressure, and magnetism to cause a bow shock to form..."

LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE.

"As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas with larger speeds relative to the Sun can compress the heliosphere more, while slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

The article just said LESS PRESSURE & DENSITY THAN BEFORE, therefore, slower and less dense regions allow the bubble to expand.

It's right there, how people can claim it says just the OPPOSITE is a mystery. The articles say NOTHING ABOUT BEING IN A DENSER AREA.

If you look back at the meeting were this paper originated you will find that the 'Ten Thousand' year estimate of leaving the Cloud we have been in for Tens of Thousands of years has been changed to Hundreds or ONE Thousand years. We Have Been In The Cloud For Basically Ever And Are About To LEAVE IT. Again, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE.

These observations show that our Sun is moving through a Local Interstellar Cloud as this cloud flows outwards from the Scorpius-Centaurus Association star forming region. Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years.
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

The Video has placed a MUCH shorter time frame on Exiting the Cloud from above;


 Quoting: TBar1984


:d maybe non-cloud is denser than cloud yoda
 Quoting: Plane

Those two images from 2002 make it perfectly clear. One is the far away version showing the three little wisps [link to apod.nasa.gov] The other is the close in version showings us about to exit the middle wisp [link to apod.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: TBar1984


I have been searching for a while, trying to found out how long it takes for the Solar System to transit through interstellar cloud boundaries.

These cloud boundaries are termed, Interface Regions. Well, it seems to be a surprisingly short time-frame - ~500 years. Of course, this is 'best guess'. But, at these Interface Regions theSolar System (Earth) begins to see changes...mainly cosmic ray influx as well as neutral particles changing.

We are seeing exactly those things occurring, as well as other changes and unprecidented findings occurring in the solar environment...



The Sun’s journey through the local interstellar medium: the paleoLISM and paleoheliosphere -

The primary conclusion of this paper is that, over the past several million years, both the galactic environment of the Sun and the heliosphere have been significantly different than they are today. Observational data combined with theoretical studies can be used to reconstruct the three-dimensional distribution of nearby ISM, and predict the times the Sun transitioned between different environments. If we assume a continuously distributed local ISM, within the past ~130,000 ± ~70,000 years, and possibly as recent as ~56,000 years ago, the Sun entered low density partially ionized ISM flowing away from the direction of the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. Sometime within the past ~40,000 years the Sun entered the cloud now surrounding the solar system, the LIC. These estimates rely on topologically simple models of the cluster of local interstellar clouds (CLIC) flowing past the Sun; more elaborate models are discussed elsewhere (Frisch, 1994; Gry, 1996; Mueller et al., 2006, FS06). As the Sun moves through this complex of local interstellar clouds, the boundary conditions of the heliosphere should change by substantial amounts due to changes in cloud temperature, velocity, and opacity-driven variations in the ionization of the surrounding ISM. Prior to that, the Sun was in the low density plasma of the Local Bubble cavity. Between the Local Bubble cavity and the CLIC, the Sun briefly (~500 years) passed through an interface region of some type.
[link to www.astrophys-space-sci-trans.net]
___________

Our heliosphere is like a protective cocoon being inflated in the interstellar medium by the Sun’s million mph solar wind. As our Sun orbits the center of the galaxy every 225 million years, it bobs in and out of the disk of the galaxy like a horse on a merry–go–round. As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas can compress the heliosphere, while less dense regions allow the bubble to expand. In addition, the strength of the solar wind varies over the Sun’s cycle, "breathing" periodically, also contributing to this.

Understanding how all of these things affect the heliosphere is important so that we can better understand how the heliosphere protects us. It is a crucial layer of protection against dangerous cosmic rays that are harmful to living things. As cosmic rays approach the heliosphere, they are deflected, and the majority of them are not able to pass into the inner Solar System. Fortunately, our Earth’s magnetic field is usually able to shield life on Earth from the remaining cosmic rays. However, astronauts on deep space missions cannot bring the Earth’s protection with them. We must also consider how the heliosphere will protect us in the distant future or how it did protect us in the past. Understanding the heliosphere and how it protects us is part of understanding our home in the galaxy.

[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

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I will say this, yesterday I was at an outdoor party at a relative's house...and when I played basketball with my younger cousins, and we were out in the sun, it felt hotter than ever before. Totally blinding and hot. North Jersey here.
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Tape worm great links thanks. sk
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Thank you seeker, extreme earth changes are a vital concern and any glimmer of causal effects can be if not interesting, sometimes useful for those with interest. Too bad about chronic thread drift....
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God how gullible the sheeple are. Look mainstream scientists are saying were are entering fluff!!

My god you cant make this shit up!!!!

Let me inform you people, IBEX is new and therefore we find out things about the universe we never knew before.

This is not the first time this has happened oer the 4 BILLION years if our planet and it wont be the last.

Nothing whatsoever to see here sheeple, come on move along. Just a reminder before you go, the NAZI followers have taken control of your country and Fukushima is killing the planet and the NAZIs are using this type of bollocks as a distraction.

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