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UPDATED - - - - FINALLY! New Information from IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a highly magnetized/energetic region of the Fluff!!!

 
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T-Bar, why the fuck do you keep thinking pressure is the same as density? It is ALL interactive, and that includes the highly magnetized area we are in.

What caused us to slow down? A less interactive medium? That does not make sense.

If I remove dense from the title, will that satisfy you? If I say that we entered a region of space, that caused us to slow down, and has a highly magnetized region we are moving through, causing more interstellar radiation to come into our compressing heliosphere, will you shut the fuck up?

You are fixated on one fucking word...no, actually two words thinking they are the same thing. Density and Pressure.

Tell me, does a stronger magnetic field make density thicker?

Do you understand that it is a mix of all the variables?

I will replace density with highly magnetic in the title. That way, you can dispute nothing.
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fuck him, just delete his posts, he's holding everyone back
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I fixed it. Now, he cannot convolute the thread with parsing words.

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YOU STILL CAN'T SHOW ANY MENTION OF INCREASED DENSITY.

What does that make you?

I have shown numerous examples of LESS Density, and that we are LEAVING the cloud, not entering it. ..

[link to apod.nasa.gov]

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yeah sure - "Our Sun may exit the Local Interstellar Cloud during the next 10,000 years"


jeeez...now THAT's soon chuckle
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Watch the video genius. As I stated previously, that Time-Frame has been reduced to a thousand years or less in the most recent estimation, it's in the video;


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if its in the video, then it must be true!
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T-Bar, why the fuck do you keep thinking pressure is the same as density? It is ALL interactive, and that includes the highly magnetized area we are in.

What caused us to slow down? A less interactive medium? That does not make sense.

If I remove dense from the title, will that satisfy you? If I say that we entered a region of space, that caused us to slow down, and has a highly magnetized region we are moving through, causing more interstellar radiation to come into our compressing heliosphere, will you shut the fuck up?

You are fixated on one fucking word...no, actually two words thinking they are the same thing. Density and Pressure.

Tell me, does a stronger magnetic field make density thicker?

Do you understand that it is a mix of all the variables?

I will replace density with highly magnetic in the title. That way, you can dispute nothing.
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fuck him, just delete his posts, he's holding everyone back
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The OP has removed the 'Density' reference in his title because he couldn't deny I was correct. Therefore, I claim Victory. He couldn't show where the articles mentioned entering a 'denser' part of the cloud. In the video, they state that we have been in the LIC for 45 thousand years, are close to the edge of the LIC, and will be leaving it in 'a few thousand years'. Again, this is directly Opposite of ENTERING 'a highly magnetized region of the Fluff'. We are leaving the middle wisp of the Scorpius-Centaurus Association where his 'highly magnetized region' is thought to originate, and entering the Local Bubble that is 'a low-density hole' [link to apod.nasa.gov]

Where do these articles state 'IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a highly magnetized region of the Fluff'? We have been in it for 45 thousand years and are about to leave it...soon. Somewhere that Time-frame was stated as One Thousand Years or less, I'm looking for it.

Anyway, FUCK YOU people that continue to claim these articles say the OPPOSITE of what they do. You can make-up all the BS you want, it doesn't make these articles say what they don't. I will continue to Expose the truth no matter how many names you call me for that.

Bite Me.

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Just ignore TBAR. He fancy's himself a debunker thats all. He even made a video with one frog in it to demonstrate that there is nothing happening to the amphibians in the southeast. Complete disinformation agent. He will keep posting over and over on this thread to confuse readers. He doesn't have anything useful to ad and acts as though he is providing a legit service.
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Question for ss and whoever else.Is the fluff the same as the photon belt?Now here is my take on this as taught to me.This new energy is viewed as light which is really,electro magnetic forces.These forces affects the rhythms of life and the apearence and extinction of species within the earths magnetic field.The higher evolution will give a better understanding of how electric forces alter biological rhythms,and will allow adamites in this consciousness time zone to recieve whole light beings,who will give instruction of the next ordering of evolution in our universe.

The key speaks of how the earths species has a direct light arc.This direct light focus which controls its biological rhythms.This new light source is now and has been reaching our solar system and interpenetrating earths magnetic field,altering the biological rhythms.Its color is emerald green light,contrary to the amber red light.This light will force the species to leave behind its old time cell of perception on the physical,emotional,mental and spiritual levels.This must take place before the species can go into a new time cell of consciousness.

As the arcs of light begin to change,a different light force is beginning to work with the electro magnetic forces.This is causing the magnetic fields of the brain cavity to be efficiently raised to a higher frequency.The new electromagnetic frequency is an astrobiological threshold by itself.Our sun by virtue of being a varible star,will be seen as having great limitatons for future evolutions.This will be seen by a visable exchange of the solar polarity fields and by the magnetic mapping of inner solar magnetic lines rotating faster than the surface of the sun.

Thses changes will also affect THE ROTATION OF SATURN.This will be seen as a periodic effect which will be noticed in the activity of the band of saturn,called its rings.

Theres more but i dont feel like typing right now.In a nut shell this fluff as they call it,is highly charged electromagnetic energy.When it does hit in its fury,the sun will absorb it,expand and then release this new energy which will be here for a very long time,being that the sun will not be as strong.Oncd expanded it will release this energy and create a giant solar flare that will engulf the entire planet.If you dont have melanin,you better get some.Because melanin can withstand heat up to 1,250 degrees when activated.....And yes nibiru will be apart of this event....
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JP,
I don't know why, but you do amuse me.
I understand that Caucasions may need to upgrade to... an umbrella.

And maybe the advanced sub-species of Homo sapiens will develop better shielding as the need arises, as we have for the last 1000 generations. There might be other species of the Genus Homo that will not fare as well.

Ah yes, Children of Men, with Julianne Moore!

'Modern man' Homo sapien caucasions, who interbred with Neanderthal, used his higher IQ to invent the wide brim hat for sunny days. Pretty much can live anywhere now. :)
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WTF
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you are going to need a very wide brim hat. and i mean a huge one. one big enough to encircle the planet. i can remember a movie where everybody stopped having kids. period. they just stopped. the only one who was able to have a child was a black woman. what was the name of that movie again? well this is what you can expect in the coming future.
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Mr public

You make some statements. None of which are substantiated, with any links.

Then you make assumptions that there with be more UV rays as a result of entering the fluff cloud, for which I see no evidence. You have some interesting Ideas, unfortunately they remain unsupported by any facts. Such as Blacks have 9 chakras, and their pineal gland are not calcified.

I have taught hundreds of people to read Aura's for a living. And calcification was never an issue in them learning to develop this ability. Please stop posting unsubstantiated information that you read in someones post or blog. Thanks
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i did not make this claim Mr. seeker (glad to see we can be civil in this discussion as this was my intent from the beginning). they were made by another poster.

my argument is that the earths magnetic field protects it from harmful rays coming in. these harmful rays can and do cause infertility in high enough doses.

melanin acts the same as the earths magnetic field in that it helps block harmful solar rays.

if (a) the earths magnetic field fails or drops and (b) exposes earths inhabitants to more harmful solar rays then (c) those of us who do not poses a natural barrier (melanin) will be more susceptible to the harmful effects associated with the increased solar exposure.

this would mean a decrease in the fertility rate or ability to have offspring and also increased skin cancer rates. yes blacks do get skin cancer too and due to the fact that we do not get it diagnosed early it is generally more radical. this is due to a lot of things btw and one of which is a distrust of the western healthcare system. however, we are not as susceptible to it as our non melanated counterparts.

it was also mentioned that blacks suffer a lot of different ailments due to having excess melanin in the northern and southern hemispheres and that would be correct. however in an instance where the earths magnetic field is reduced we would be able to live in those regions without the same affects that plague us now.
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You mentioned fossil records, prove that fair skinned people have gone exstint in the past. Link please.

You have a lot of what ifs in you statement. What evidence do you have that any thing like this occurred in the past. Ie. fertility rates dropping due to increased UV rays.

There has been so many posts on GLP recently trying to drive wedges in our society based on skin color. Enough.

I am currently married to a Thai and my son is married to a lady of mexican heritage, so I am not biased in my presentment in regards to skin color. Quite frankly, since living in Thailand I have found that the darker skinned Thais have much more problem with sun exposure than do most of my fair skinned friends here, once they get a base going. sk

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You mentioned fossil records, prove that fair skinned people have gone exstint in the past. Link please.

Homo neanderthalensis are extinct are they not?

"Genetic verification of three independent occurrences of evolution of depigmented skin in hominin populations has been documented in the lineages leading to modern northern Europeans and modern east Asians (54, 55) and in Homo neanderthalensis (56)."



[link to m.pnas.org]


You have a lot of what ifs in you statement. What evidence do you have that any thing like this occurred in the past. Ie. fertility rates dropping due to increased UV rays.



[link to m.pnas.org]

The possibility that photolysis of folate by sunlight was a determining factor in the evolution of dark pigmentation was first explored (24) before the full importance of folate in DNA biosynthesis, repair, DNA methylation, amino acid metabolism, and melanin production was recognized. In 2000, we advanced the theory that dark skin pigmentation in humans had evolved primarily to prevent reduction of fertility due to the photolysis of folate present in cutaneous blood vessels (7). We presented evidence that folate depletion by UVR would precipitate folate deficiencies that would, in turn, lead to potentially fatal birth defects such as neural tube defects (NTDs). Since then, investigations of the photosensitivity of folate under different conditions in vitro and in vivo have demonstrated that the relationship between skin pigmentation and folate metabolism is complicated, and involves direct photodegradation of folate (in its main form of 5-methyltetrahydrofolate or 5-MTHF) as well as its photodegradation in the presence of flavins and porphyrins by reactive oxygen species (ROS) (25–28). Considerable epidemiological work is needed to investigate the relationship between skin pigmentation, folate metabolism, and the prevalence of NTDs, but a protective effect of dark pigmentation against folate depletion (29, 30) and NTDs (31, 32) is apparent. Folate is important especially in rapidly dividing cells, such as those of the embryo and seminiferous tubules. Thus folate deficiencies caused by UVR would potentially affect both female and male fertility. Low folate levels cause derangements of folate-mediated 1-carbon metabolism that lead to serious diseases and birth defects. Folate deficiencies cause faulty DNA replication due to strand breaks caused by misincorporation of excessive uracil into DNA (33, 34). Maintenance of adequate folate levels is associated with a 72% reduction in NTDs, which is the most common class of human birth defects (35). This is due to the direct action of folate on the normalization of neural tube development due to its role in the division of rapidly dividing cells (36, 37). Folate deficiency also impairs nucleotide excision repair, which is the primary mechanism for removing UVR-induced DNA photoproducts (33).



[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Human populations native to areas of intense sunlight tend to be heavily melanized. Previous explanations for this relationship have invoked only weak selective pressures. To test the hypothesis that dark pigmentation may protect against photolysis of crucial light-sensitive vitamins and metabolites by ultraviolet light, folate was used as a model. It was found that exposure of human plasma in vitro to simulated strong sunlight causes 30 to 50 percent loss of folate within 60 minutes. Furthermore, light-skinned patients exposed to ultraviolet light for dermatologic disorders have abnormally low serum folate concentrations, suggesting that photolysis may also occur in vivo. Deficiency of folate, which occurs in many marginally nourished populations, causes severe anemia, fetal wastage, frank infertility, and maternal mortality. Prevention of ultraviolet photolysis of folate and other light sensitive nutrients by dark skin may be sufficient explanation for the maintenance of this characteristic in human groups indigenous to regions of intense solar radiation.


[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

(although not exactly human experiment it did use a mammal non the less)

OBJECTIVE:
The effects of visible light irradiation on sperm motility, fertility, and reactive oxygen species (ROS) formation were investigated and compared in ram and fish (tilapia).

BACKGROUND DATA:
Low-energy visible light has previously been found to modulate various processes in different biological systems. In the literature, it is accepted that the first step following visible light irradiation is the formation of ROS by endogenous cellular photosensitizers.

METHODS:
Sperm of ram and tilapia were irradiated with various light sources (400-800 nm white light, 660 nm red light, 360 nm blue light, 294 nm UV), and their motility and fertility rates were measured. The amount of ROS generated by irradiation was estimated using electron paramagnetic resonance (EPR) technique.

RESULTS:
Sperm taken from tilapia showed higher motility and fertility following red and white light irradiation. In contrast, the motility and fertility of ram sperm were slightly increased only by red light. A negative effect on motility and fertility of sperm of both species was obtained following irradiation with UV and blue light. The amount of ROS produced in irradiated tilapia sperm was much higher than that of ram sperm.

CONCLUSIONS:
The results show that different wavelengths differentially affect tilapia and ram sperm motility and fertilization. The difference in response to the various light sources might be explained by the different amounts of ROS formation by ram and tilapia, which are in agreement with the physiology of fertilization appropriate to each of these species. Based on these results, it is suggested that in vitro fertilization in mammals should be performed in darkness or at least under red light.
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To bad this topic has the habit of being trolled by self-proclaimed authorities, religious posters, useless conversations between a few who can't seem to start their own thread and some other idiots with to much spare time.

If the posts that not contribute to the topic were removed, only 1 page would remain.

With this in mind, I would say OP, you're definitely on the right track. For quite some time.

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If your kind have not been upgraded in the last 4,004 years,its not going to happen.Use sound right reasoning.Melanin recessive beings to this day cannot stay out in the sun all day or be exposed all day,like the nubians.Melanin is the key to this neaxt step into evolution..
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To bad this topic has the habit of being trolled by self-proclaimed authorities, religious posters, useless conversations between a few who can't seem to start their own thread and some other idiots with to much spare time.

If the posts that not contribute to the topic were removed, only 1 page would remain.

With this in mind, I would say OP, you're definitely on the right track. For quite some time.

ohyeah
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op is definitely on track and like it or not my posts add a human dimension to what the op posted. all of those nasa notes and astronautical segments dont get to the heart of the matter. how does this affect human beings. my contributions help put that in perspective. you may not like the conclusion but it definitely adds to the conversation at hand.
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If your kind have not been upgraded in the last 4,004 years,its not going to happen.Use sound right reasoning.Melanin recessive beings to this day cannot stay out in the sun all day or be exposed all day,like the nubians.Melanin is the key to this neaxt step into evolution..
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Evolution doesn't seem to include proper spelling.

chuckle

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Tbar, basically you need to imagine bubble flowing through air. With constant pressure at the CENTER of bubbles main axis of direction, you will get a constant force. If you change that pressure from the center of the bubble to an outward portion, than the forces will NOT be constant with the axis of movement. Causing the effect OP has tried explaining. It's not hard to understand, seriously.
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Either he is a really good at trolling, or has an extreme case of selective reading comprehension
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SHOW ME ANYTHING IN THESES ARTICLES THAT SAY WE ARE ENTERING A DENSER AREA.

IT IS NOT THERE, IT IS YOU THAT CANNOT READ.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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It turns out that the Sun is moving through interstellar gas at 52,000 miles (84,000 km) per hour, about 12% slower than previously measured by the Ulysses spacecraft.

So what does the new model look like? IBEX's observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across. Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun's slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a "bow wave," a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.


Pretty clear to me

EDIT: SORRY FORGOT LINK:
[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]
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ENOUGH!!

TBAR:
(1) show one study that states or suggest that the fluff cloud has a uniform (constant) density for all 30 light years across.

(2) in your own words explain:
(a) magnetohydrodynamics (MHD)
(b) plasma density (colunm)
(c) what are the Rankine-Hugoniot conditions that must be satisfied
(d) upstream and downstream plamsa mass densities
(e) and how the above relate to the bow shock

Anyone can sit here and "demand" that someone show them an article. No one has stated we are entering a "denser fluff cloud" and if they did, they have corrected thier statement to reflect that we are entering a "denser region" of the fluff cloud. Also, we are entering this "dense region" as we are exiting the fluff cloud.

Its time to stop hiding behind semantics and actually see if you understand the complexity of the calculations and which system of equations that must be solved simultaneously.

There are too many amazing discoveries happening to be playing this kindergarten BS.

To everyone else (sorry for the outbust, my apologies from continuation of a great topic):
If TBar doesnt answer the above and keeps demanding articles, just keep asking him/her to answer the above questions.
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To bad this topic has the habit of being trolled by self-proclaimed authorities, religious posters, useless conversations between a few who can't seem to start their own thread and some other idiots with to much spare time.

If the posts that not contribute to the topic were removed, only 1 page would remain.

With this in mind, I would say OP, you're definitely on the right track. For quite some time.

ohyeah
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op is definitely on track and like it or not my posts add a human dimension to what the op posted. all of those nasa notes and astronautical segments dont get to the heart of the matter. how does this affect human beings. my contributions help put that in perspective. you may not like the conclusion but it definitely adds to the conversation at hand.
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The one who fits the shoe...

And I don't think anyone could, can or will be able to foresee the potential effects.
As it seem to play out, the local universe is much more dynamic as we previously thought. Possibly every event is unprecedented.

I didn't doubt you were human, btw.
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To bad this topic has the habit of being trolled by self-proclaimed authorities, religious posters, useless conversations between a few who can't seem to start their own thread and some other idiots with to much spare time.

If the posts that not contribute to the topic were removed, only 1 page would remain.

With this in mind, I would say OP, you're definitely on the right track. For quite some time.

ohyeah
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op is definitely on track and like it or not my posts add a human dimension to what the op posted. all of those nasa notes and astronautical segments dont get to the heart of the matter. how does this affect human beings. my contributions help put that in perspective. you may not like the conclusion but it definitely adds to the conversation at hand.
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The one who fits the shoe...

And I don't think anyone could, can or will be able to foresee the potential effects.
As it seem to play out, the local universe is much more dynamic as we previously thought. Possibly every event is unprecedented.

I didn't doubt you were human, btw.
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i prefer the phrase "a hit dog will bark". you dont hear that one as much.

everything in this thread is theory so why dismiss mine as opposed to all the other posters? i provided facts and they do fall in line with the op's post.
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ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
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Either he is a really good at trolling, or has an extreme case of selective reading comprehension
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15582870

SHOW ME ANYTHING IN THESES ARTICLES THAT SAY WE ARE ENTERING A DENSER AREA.

IT IS NOT THERE, IT IS YOU THAT CANNOT READ.
[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]
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It turns out that the Sun is moving through interstellar gas at 52,000 miles (84,000 km) per hour, about 12% slower than previously measured by the Ulysses spacecraft.

So what does the new model look like? IBEX's observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across. Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun's slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a "bow wave," a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.


Pretty clear to me

EDIT: SORRY FORGOT LINK:
[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]
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ENOUGH!!

TBAR:
(1) show one study that states or suggest that the fluff cloud has a uniform (constant) density for all 30 light years across.

(2) in your own words explain:
(a) magnetohydrodynamics (MHD)
(b) plasma density (colunm)
(c) what are the Rankine-Hugoniot conditions that must be satisfied
(d) upstream and downstream plamsa mass densities
(e) and how the above relate to the bow shock

Anyone can sit here and "demand" that someone show them an article. No one has stated we are entering a "denser fluff cloud" and if they did, they have corrected thier statement to reflect that we are entering a "denser region" of the fluff cloud. Also, we are entering this "dense region" as we are exiting the fluff cloud.

Its time to stop hiding behind semantics and actually see if you understand the complexity of the calculations and which system of equations that must be solved simultaneously.

There are too many amazing discoveries happening to be playing this kindergarten BS.

To everyone else (sorry for the outbust, my apologies from continuation of a great topic):
If TBar doesnt answer the above and keeps demanding articles, just keep asking him/her to answer the above questions.
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I have answered all I'm going to answer. Why don't you try a little research into the matter. The Title of this thread was Changed because it was Erroneous. Why don't YOU present evidence that proves the recent IBEX Articles and Video wrong. The articles and video say there is LESS Pressure & Density ahead of us than previously thought, prove them wrong. Now all you're left with is the Magnetic Field Lines that we are moving AWAY FROM. YES, AWAY FROM. Look at the direction of the Black Lines here,
"This is a schematic drawing of our heliosphere based on the most recent IBEX science results. The heliosphere bubble is vaguely comet-shaped, with a more rounded area to the right in this rendition and a region that sweeps farther out to the left like a tail. The interstellar magnetic field is represented by the angled lines running from lower left to upper right. Perpendicular to those magnetic field lines is the IBEX Ribbon, shown in red. The previously inferred bow shock has been removed, and a “bow wave” is present in its place in front of our heliosphere. In this drawing, the direction our heliosphere would be moving is from left to right.: [link to www.nasa.gov] The Black Lines are coming from BEHIND our direction of Movement. The IBEX Ribbon is oriented BEHIND our direction of Movement. I suppose that won't matter to you either though. You will just claim we are moving toward the Magnetic Field source. Too Bad You Are Wrong About That Also. Prove it wrong.
[link to ibex.swri.edu]

The Local Bubble and the Galactic Neighborhood: [link to apod.nasa.gov]
The Local Interstellar Cloud: [link to apod.nasa.gov]



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maybe denser comes from this:

Sun Leaves No Shock Wave in its Wake
may 2012

The IBEX findings may also have implications for astrobiologists looking life beyond Earth.

The denser the interstellar cloud, the more compressed a star's heliosphere will be, meaning there's less shielding from galactic cosmic rays.

"It may be that you have to have an astrosphere -- a heliosphere -- around your star to provide protection. That may be one of the things needed for life," McComas said.

The research is reported in this week's Science
 Quoting: observation

[link to news.discovery.com]

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking

2008

The protective bubble around the sun that helps to shield the Earth from harmful interstellar radiation is shrinking and getting weaker, Nasa scientists have warned.

New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

 Quoting: observation

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

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this was nasa in 2008, notice they run an Newtonian pressure model for our solar system which is silly
but
you get where their thinking was going and now we are starting to see their results

Some of most dramatic effects of the phenomenon may be felt by NASA's two Voyager spacecraft. After traveling outward for 30+ years, the two probes are now at the edge of the heliosphere. With the heliosphere shrinking, the Voyagers may soon find themselves on the outside looking in, thrust into interstellar space long before anyone expected. No spacecraft has ever been outside the heliosphere before and no one knows what the Voyagers may find there.

NASA is about to launch a new spacecraft named IBEX (short for Interstellar Boundary Explorer) that can monitor the dimensions of the heliosphere without actually traveling to the edge of the solar system. IBEX may actually be able to "see" the heliosphere shrinking and anticipate the Voyager's exit. Moreover, IBEX will reveal how our solar system's cosmic ray shield reacts to changes in solar wind.
 Quoting: nasa

[link to science.nasa.gov]
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OPs link doesnt suggest density increased in the near past. They THOUGHT that bow shocks were created by incoming particles, but they got new mesurments that sugest that instead of stronger shocks heliosphare produces weaker waves. And TBar's video talks about less particles than previously thought. Just view the video and read OPs link.

[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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have some karma SS bumppeace
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T-Bar, why the fuck do you keep thinking pressure is the same as density? It is ALL interactive, and that includes the highly magnetized area we are in.

What caused us to slow down? A less interactive medium? That does not make sense.

If I remove dense from the title, will that satisfy you? If I say that we entered a region of space, that caused us to slow down, and has a highly magnetized region we are moving through, causing more interstellar radiation to come into our compressing heliosphere, will you shut the fuck up?

You are fixated on one fucking word...no, actually two words thinking they are the same thing. Density and Pressure.

Tell me, does a stronger magnetic field make density thicker?

Do you understand that it is a mix of all the variables?

I will replace density with highly magnetic in the title. That way, you can dispute nothing.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


fuck him, just delete his posts, he's holding everyone back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13749776


The OP has removed the 'Density' reference in his title because he couldn't deny I was correct. Therefore, I claim Victory.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Well, that says everything about your intentions, and everything about what YOU are, TBar.

Thank you for this, as it says more than anything you've ever posted.

I knew if I was patient and gave you enough rope, you would not be able to hold back.

thumbs

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Check this link it explains how we havent entered the full force of the fluff,which is nothing more than electromagnetic forces that will change everything as were already seeing in nature.

Sun goes red nova.. [link to paneandov.com]
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Does the fact that it is now a bow wave rather than a bow shock necessarily mean that we have entered less dense plasma?

Why wouldn't the reduction from a shock to a wave be the result of the slower speed of the solar system pushing less plasma ahead of it?

And has anybody explained the slowdown?
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I was one of those GLP users who promoted the first IBEX NASA video where the scientists on the panel were interpreting some 'pretty rough' data and images. And their 'deer in the headlights' Q&A wasn't very reassuring.

Where did this new data and imagery come from? better/more data? better programs to digest existing data? Seems the duration and cloud configurations are very fine tuned now.
A 'Doom Off' condition, as it were.
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the simple fact is that nobody really knows how it all fits together... The measurements we are getting from outer space from our satellites is like a blind man trying to get a better grasp of his surroundings with his hands: It`s a very incomplete picture. And on top of this comes the basic misunderstanding that the universe is only gravity driven... So what NASA states has to be taken with a grain of salt as well. But I believe we have enough information to know that things are changing, if we`re only willing to look.
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fact is don´t argue with an IBEX !! :D :D

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What I mostly wonder about is why are there no "alternative" sources to get reliable information from besides NASA?????

Second, why are most of the trolls/experts in this thread writing here and are not working/directing NASA if they KNOW what's going on? (just my 2 cents).

I'd rather rely on MULTIPLE, INDEPENDENT sources prior to even think about KNOWING what is REALLY happening out there

Anyone of you does actually see the "fluff"???? And if so, is it in "real time" or how many light years ago are we talking about when "seeing" it?
(i understand when taking a photographs NOW of the moon does actually show the moon where/how is looked 2 seconds prior.... u feeling me?)
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What I mostly wonder about is why are there no "alternative" sources to get reliable information from besides NASA?????
 Quoting: pray_Italy 13788426


because noone else has IBEX satelites. everyone gets original data from NASA IBEX, speculates it, and then denies NASA's info as BS. thats quite sad, especialy when NASA's info is realy cool. WE ARE LEAVING THE GAS CLOUD WE WERE 45K YEARS IN!
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What I mostly wonder about is why are there no "alternative" sources to get reliable information from besides NASA?????
 Quoting: pray_Italy 13788426


because noone else has IBEX satelites. everyone gets original data from NASA IBEX, speculates it, and then denies NASA's info as BS. thats quite sad, especialy when NASA's info is realy cool. WE ARE LEAVING THE GAS CLOUD WE WERE 45K YEARS IN!
 Quoting: Plane


if we are leaving the "cloud" (in about thousand year or so?) then the Earth will be really screwed up.

maybe the highly magnetic energized cloud was and is the force of life and not the opposite, so leaving it and jumping into emptiness of the cold dark space would mean nothing but DEAD?!

Good luck with that Earthlings of the future! hf

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