Spiritless Humans

what utter BS

This is one of those topics that can be easily disproved if you have people who live in one reality. The problem we have here is that the worlds population is all creating their own realities...custom building energetic forms that make their fantasies FEEL real and true.

And people trust their gut feelings more than their eyes sometimes.

So it's a topic that will never be proved one way or the other...because it is probably very real for some people.

WHY they'd choose to believe it? Makes me wonder...but I assume they have their needs to attend to just like anyone else. I don't need to believe that other people are soul less in order to justify anything about myself...so although I can see their point of view...I don't like it.

The beauty of humanity.

empathy is the keyword here...
do you have it ?

Yes. It can be true and at the same time have no effect on the endless mystery around us.

The idea the OP presents has roots in the unknowable.

We may as well debate what "God" likes to call itself on Tuesdays.

Edit: For subconsciously identifying myself with something I can't possibly know. 'itself' for 'himself'

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 09/13/2012 12:19 PM

From time to time, yes, But the way I presented myself to the public, no one would know I had those deeper thoughts. I thought I was the only one..

So do not judge by mere surface appearances. Your co worker or the person in line next to you could be crying out for help and answers inside, putting on appearances but having no idea how to break free.

Aruna, I am a old soul and I KNOW ABOUT THESE games played on lower planets like this. there are lab created 2 strand DNA folks who have no spiritual DNA. they do NOT truly think and can only copy and follow. Many in religion are these folks who are forced there and them repeat the bs because they cannot discern. They are "KNEW" and have no prior incarnations to draw experience from. They are easy prey.

I think people would be surprised at just how much they DO affect these so called endless mysteries.

At some point in your life you're shown the horror of your own footprints on the world and you're forever changed.

It's after that you start aligning yourself to natural law (by a mix of conscious and unconscious action) and it becomes second nature...it's then you begin to see the truth in the way the world operates...

And you have a choice...bitch about how the world we live in is a sham and complain about not wanting to wait until it's all fucking destroyed...or you can take steps to see what goodness you can spread in the time you have here.

Choices choices...

So many.

"A considerable percentage of the people we meet on the street are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead. It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror."
by George Gurdjieff

Well said.

Well good for you Candace...so what make you think others don't have an opportunity to grow into an old soul as you have? I'm sure there was some point in your past you were easy prey to something, and upon seeing the truth of it you GREW from it.

Do you think you have to fast track others from their path on a shortcut to your reality?

Your first thought of intent in communicating to me in this thread was "grow up" yet you're also communicating "Grow up yet don't do it thru experience and learning...just listen to what I say...don't question me. I know what I've been thru and I'm telling you what is true."

It's your way...I get it...but it still doesn't mean people are devoid of souls...they're just at a different level of experience with the world.

Whether it be your world or theirs...

I do believe we were all born into this world as pure bubbles of energy, uncontaminated by the socially conforming reality that our fellow man uses to navigate amongst one another...namely language.

Thus we taught ourselves to talk to ourselves so that we could talk to our fellow man. So that we could perceive what our fellow man perceives.

Somewhere along the way language took conscious precedence over body language...even though most communication takes place through body language on the subconscious level.

Of course, there are exceptions...birth defects etc.

I would think that the existence of what are in essence 'spiritless' humans is something that may be possible to reverse.

But that all depends on personal power...no outside force can make it happen unless that person is tuned to accept and align themselves with it...much like AL said.

Even then, exertion is required.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 09/13/2012 12:43 PM

The potential IS there to reverse it...or progress it.
The essense of what a person "is" whether it be their soul or spirit...those are just terms to identify us at different states of being.

I guess my hang up on the topic is that people would rather fight about identifying others as with soul and without soul. It seems to me that limits others instead of seeing their potentials...and in turn limits our own potentials of learning FROM others.

I personally believe you can learn useful things from even a psychopath/sociopath.

There is a pattern to that particular crooked/abused/tangled form....which is what makes it interesting to study.

...compared to your average everyday tangled mess of a normal person that has seemingly random contradictions and quirks.

This explains what happened to me yesterday. I went in to buy cd's for a dollar each at a pawn store, and the lady asked me if I checked if they were in the case and I said "Isn't that your job?" and she went bezerk. Imagine a monkey actually going bezerk and swearing on meth - that's exactly what it was like. Eventually I got the CD's after sitting through an excruciating experience.

Then I go into a local college and everyone is in some weird club like the UN Club, or Gamers Club, or Gay-Straight-"Alliance" club, and they're all walking around with tablet computers and iphones and ipods that I'm sure they would never be able to afford if their parents didn't cash in big on certain stocks in the 90's or were able to find jobs in their field of engineering or accounting, or if they didn't rub the right elbows in their days.

I also was at a "cafe" which as synchronized itself into a makeshift restaurant and daycare to increase their prices. They don't have a cash register - they have a little zip baggie that their hot waitress' wear and iPads to take down orders. It's so that people don't feel olbiged to ask for their change back I bet. So I was sitting there, drinking a water (I sometimes come in for a 3$ tea) and the owner comes over and asks me if I "need anything". So I reply no, and she says "Well then what are you doing here?" I said "I'm using your Wi-Fi. Is that alright?" And she replies: "Well, yes and no." No no no no no no! It's either YES or NO! I told her that. I didn't yell, but I said "Is it a problem or isn't it?" She said "Well what about the gray areas?" I'm like "There are no gray areas, that's called ambiguity."

I do to...though generally they're not as much fun to learn from. LOL

Your experience just shows how many people are really just not equipped to communicate using their own common sense anymore.

I notice a lot of people out in public operating on that same glazed over auto pilot monotony but I think it has more to do with them not being engaged fully in life than it has to do with them not having a soul.

It's so easy to spark someone up like that if you know how...get them to engage their humanity...you see them light up like they're on fire from the inside. I love doing that to people who are in that zone. It changes them if just for a few moments...

Yeah. No shit. "At a distance" was implied and not said.

So many people walking around in their suits and ties putting on this illusion of success and class - when really they're probably in more debt than I am because they can't control their addictions. You want to pass a real ban in New York? Ban Apple Stores from ever opening again, and re-introduce Kodak - the business the delivered real life moments when people were actually interacting with each other and creating them. No wonder they couldn't compete - probably one of the only logical thinking CEO's in the market. Probably didn't want to run the rat race with the other CEO's who are selling out their souls and their business' to get a piece of the pie they call the 21st century. Capitalism evolved.

i have researched this deeply and read this article before also...
my X house mate lead me to researching after my baffling experiences with her.
first clue- i could see nothing in her eyes- they were blank.

she was a professed "native Shaman" "psychic" ""healer".

Although...if you ever come face to face with one, a cunning warrior has certain advantages.

I have to say I'm totally guilty of that...withdrawing from interactions because they lack that human connection. But we can just as easily spark it up in eachother...

We're funny like that. Humans. And our choices.

socialism is the "best" option ^^^

You know, there is a way to see “them”… (Some Yoga teachers can see auras)

You guys are talking soulless/spiritless.

Don't know if its related, but i just found out about sociopaths. APD as a poster said.

Had 2 sociopaths do me over in the same year. 2012.
One was a business partner for more than 5 years. Didn't know he was a sociopath until the next business partner who had very strong sociopathic moments. Started researching what the hell it was. Sociopath came up. Then realized that is what the old partner was.

Lots of info online about it.

[link to www.naturalnews.com]

Haven't seen anyone medical or otherwise say there's help for these people, who are not processing information in the part of the brain considered to be the conscience area. Near the orbital cortex, behind the eyes. Why not?

Also some language is processed in different parts of the brain that is not the "usual" normal areas.

These 2 guys. Absolutely brilliant in many aspects. Ridiculous in others.

Since then friends and acquaintances have been calling me back telling me that they now noticed these people in their lives.

Not sure if these friends did their homework, but they say sociopath is a sliding scale.

Personally I think the global financial system has been built by sociopaths and is to some degree more and more sociopathic itself. So some "normal" people who do have a conscience make bad decisions.

Sociopath/Spiritless/soulless are just words. What are the signs? Can they be helped? Is it their fault?
Are they here for a reason? To create the life lessons for all? Does sociopathy have more affect on the world than we know?

Instead of feeling anger towards these 2 guys, looking for revenge. Now I'm thinking hmmm. Do i just move on and learn my lesson?

i can confirm that i met a soul-less one this summer.

soul infused beings have soul aspirations and such. and even if they are given to evil deeds, they still have some soul substance inside.

and in effect they can kept in check by warning them of using witch-craft skills.

like fore-telling them a bad future if they do not let you be.

the soul-less ones instead have no such fear,because there is no soul that could resonate, and they laugh against such 'tricks'

in similar fashion pitbulls and other pure killing breed are soul-less dogs ( they are not connected to dog over-soul, they are what is called hell hounds)