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The future of the USA - 2012-2016: An insolvent and ungovernable United States!!

 
Mr_Electric  (OP)

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there'll be nothing left but a smoking ruin....

location will be everything....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2926765


Have you seen this??? Military document on Internment and Resettlement Camps......

[link to www.freedomslips.com]

Crazy stuff!! Although the language in the document has all the earmarks of "plausible deniability".....

Pass this link on... more people should know about the plans laid down and what the US is capable of in terms of taking people into captivity....

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Yeah but DO THEY WANT to?? What is the true agenda? It's all mixed up in a haze of no confidence and conspiracy. Only time will tell....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


time will decide that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


Nothing will change without some real pain, the people have not felt real pain yet. Most have ok jobs and are getting along ok while others are on the GOV tit and are scamming the system … the real question is when is the breaking point?
 Quoting: YaRight


pain will be felt only when people dont get food and entertainment.you have surplus of both.so at this time atleast,nothing will happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
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Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier....

Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman??
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


usa is not going to go away....they will change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


Let's hope so. I'm not feeling too good about that prospect at this moment though... gotta be honest.

Stuff is falling apart and social unrest seems to be looming on the horizon. It's going to be interesting to see how this summer plays out with it being election year and all the tensions in the middle east.

2001- Year of the Snake- symbol for Satan- 9/11
2012- Year of the Dragon- symbol for Satan- ????

Just a curious thing I thought of today.....

Who knows???
 Quoting: Mr_Electric

you just dont know how americans work.once they see,observe and understand problem;it will be very swift solution.dont believe on msm or alternate sources.they are very disciplined country and once they want to change something,they will do it ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072

At last someone talking the truth , thanks my Indian friend !
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:WWFD12:
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Sit on it Potsie!
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Just drop the hammer. We're all ready to work to change.
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Jer 50:23 How broken and shattered is the hammer of the whole earth! How desolate is Babylon among the nations!

I'm of the opinion that America IS the "Daughter of Babylon" in prophecy. It fits the description to a tee. Read Jeremiah 50-51.

Regardless of how you feel about biblical text, you have to at least see the obvious parallels.
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clappa
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time will decide that
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


Nothing will change without some real pain, the people have not felt real pain yet. Most have ok jobs and are getting along ok while others are on the GOV tit and are scamming the system … the real question is when is the breaking point?
 Quoting: YaRight


pain will be felt only when people dont get food and entertainment.you have surplus of both.so at this time atleast,nothing will happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
 Quoting: grefey


Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-)

The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload.

You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much.

If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents".

Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive?

Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc.

Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt.

They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives.

Many have lost their way..... so very sad....

y_sad
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usa is not going to go away....they will change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


Let's hope so. I'm not feeling too good about that prospect at this moment though... gotta be honest.

Stuff is falling apart and social unrest seems to be looming on the horizon. It's going to be interesting to see how this summer plays out with it being election year and all the tensions in the middle east.

2001- Year of the Snake- symbol for Satan- 9/11
2012- Year of the Dragon- symbol for Satan- ????

Just a curious thing I thought of today.....

Who knows???
 Quoting: Mr_Electric

you just dont know how americans work.once they see,observe and understand problem;it will be very swift solution.dont believe on msm or alternate sources.they are very disciplined country and once they want to change something,they will do it ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072

At last someone talking the truth , thanks my Indian friend !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9225014

thanks a lot.i have no problem with americans.people turn into extremist on internet but in real life,they are not that bad.
still i think,average american citizens have allowed situation to go bad.they were not known for political inactivity.
i just shudder at the thought when populace will put those criminals in prisons...
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The whole earth is about to burn up. There will then be a new heaven and a new earth.

It's time to get right with the LORD. Believe in Jesus he is the only way, the truth and the life.

Few will find the narrow gate. Easy is the way to destruction.
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The whole earth is about to burn up. There will then be a new heaven and a new earth.

It's time to get right with the LORD. Believe in Jesus he is the only way, the truth and the life.

Few will find the narrow gate. Easy is the way to destruction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15897505


Kudos to you. But how can they hear when many think they are ascended "beyond" the knowledge contained in God's Word?

Sad state of affairs. Plant the seed, let God bring the storms that germinate and bring them to life.

No man, by mere words, can raise the spiritually dead.

Selah.

Thanks for weighing in....
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Nothing will change without some real pain, the people have not felt real pain yet. Most have ok jobs and are getting along ok while others are on the GOV tit and are scamming the system … the real question is when is the breaking point?
 Quoting: YaRight


pain will be felt only when people dont get food and entertainment.you have surplus of both.so at this time atleast,nothing will happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
 Quoting: grefey


Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-)

The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload.

You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much.

If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents".

Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive?

Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc.

Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt.

They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives.

Many have lost their way..... so very sad....

y_sad
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT.
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Henry Winkler alias "The Fonz" would say, "Give MORE money to Israel and kill all the Arabs" because He is Jewish!
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pain will be felt only when people dont get food and entertainment.you have surplus of both.so at this time atleast,nothing will happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7215072


The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
 Quoting: grefey


Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-)

The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload.

You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much.

If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents".

Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive?

Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc.

Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt.

They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives.

Many have lost their way..... so very sad....

y_sad
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT.
 Quoting: grefey


All great kingdoms have their rise and then they fall. It's a fact of history.

The handwriting is on the wall....
"MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN"

God has numbered the days of America's reign and brought it to an end....

Daniel 5:25-26
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But hoo will be in charge of our nukes?
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The US Flagship turns into a "drunken boat".... wow... truer words have never been spoken.

I speak to many of my friends over in the States and all I hear is how so many are alcoholics or on drugs. It's bad. I remember when I lived in the states and so many people I knew were on drugs of some sort.

One of my friends told me he knew someone that regularly sold cocaine to the sales guys at a reputable Dodge dealer. They did "coke" while they were working in the offices.

So, the reality is.... "like people, like govt" I guess. It all trickles down and up and just like Revelation says... "Babylon was a golden cup in the LORD's hand... but now it is filled with abominations.... Babylon makes all the nations drink of the 'maddening wine' of her adulteries..."

I find this "drunken boat" thing to be right on target, even if it's just a metaphor....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I live in Melbourne Florida and the prescription pills is the main problem here. People go crazy over the blue pills.
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Think Wallmart: the outsourcing of industry to China is 'the takeover'.

Nostradamus' reference to the nation identified as red and invading ruthlessly, is their ruthless consistency and reliability in attracting our money, and debt. Our reliance on other nations to do the dirty work. We've lost control of manufacturing, and are beholden.

Throughout history, when a country imported or hired slaves to build monuments (or make its stuff, or perform its services), the migration changed its population over generations to resemble that of the imported workforce. The meek inheriting the earth?

Egypt today is made of the nations which built the pyramids, its is not the original Egyptian population makeup, for instance.

China is getting there. How quickly their military catches up to USA level is probably the key. Then there's plan for China to build their own city in USA... [link to endoftheamericandream.com] that could be a Trojan Horse. Who knows?

Also, Obama (and Democrat Party) don't seem to care much for maintaining a strong US military so if Obama wins 2012 election, US military could weaken significantly.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


From Jeremiah 5.... Gotta admit it fits the bill. Notice the bolded text. "IN a land NOT YOUR OWN" does not mean the people will be RELOCATED, it could very well mean that the land that was their own was BOUGHT and now it's NOT their land anymore!!

14 Therefore this is what the LORD God Almighty says:

“Because the people have spoken these words,
I will make my words in your mouth a fire
and these people the wood it consumes.
15 O house of Israel,” declares the LORD,
“I am bringing a distant nation against you—
an ancient and enduring nation,
a people whose language you do not know,
whose speech you do not understand.
16 Their quivers are like an open grave;
all of them are mighty warriors.
17 They will devour your harvests and food,
devour your sons and daughters;
they will devour your flocks and herds,
devour your vines and fig trees.
With the sword they will destroy
the fortified cities in which you trust.

18 “Yet even in those days,” declares the LORD, “I will not destroy you completely. 19 And when the people ask, ‘Why has the LORD our God done all this to us?’ you will tell them, ‘As you have forsaken me and served foreign gods in your own land, so now you will serve foreigners in a land not your own.’

Again, more food for thought.....
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..reading from my history "book".

The U.S. economy started to decline in 1985 when employers started to pay new-hires significantly lower salaries.

By 1995, after young people automated the office with computers, employees plotted together to create an environment of fewer jobs by giving a lot of overtime, slimming the office staff to a skeleton crew. They could then justify hiring desperate job seekers at inappropriate salaries.

Workers were not paid for their education and work experience. Employers continued to reduce benefits and pay raises. They also tanked retirement by bankrupting companies and starting new ones elsewhere.

Structural unemployment became apparent as office software continued to improve and jobs continued to be sent overseas to slave labor camps.

In 2012, the U.S. Midwest became a new oil empire solving much of the economic problems plaguing the nation for many years.

Obama was reelected over Romney by a landslide.

Greece dropped out of the E.U. Germany dropped the E.U., I.M.F., etc. vowing no more bailouts to anyone. The E.U. failed. But European nations did not fail. Everyone agreed that nations with different work ethics should never partner.

In later years, the U.S. was characterized by multinational executives in the cities who aim to continue to outsource at the expense of families. Meanwhile, those who were not employed at rigs extended their pot farming to food farming. They become increasingly Libertarian and hostile to any global trade.

The U.S. suffered a series of large earthquakes and floods. This turned the once large nation into a cluster of 5 large territories.

This economic and geographic reality lead to the U.S. Civil War II.

China discovered resources in western China making it abundantly rich. United Korea and Japan agreed to join China as a new nation. This is a world envisioned by the creator of "Ghost in the Shell", a remarkably prophetic fictional work for its time.

The War to end all wars was one where Israel, Syria, Turkey and the rest of the world gathered together. Nuclear weapons were mostly exchanged in this part of the world making it uninhabitable for years and years. Both Jewish people and Middle Eastern people were welcome in countries all over the world.

Violent talk was criminalized in every area of life, even in religious places.
John Thomas of the Titor Project
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China has all that shit. North Korea is actually testing it for them so they don't get the heat.
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The US Flagship turns into a "drunken boat".... wow... truer words have never been spoken.

I speak to many of my friends over in the States and all I hear is how so many are alcoholics or on drugs. It's bad. I remember when I lived in the states and so many people I knew were on drugs of some sort.

One of my friends told me he knew someone that regularly sold cocaine to the sales guys at a reputable Dodge dealer. They did "coke" while they were working in the offices.

So, the reality is.... "like people, like govt" I guess. It all trickles down and up and just like Revelation says... "Babylon was a golden cup in the LORD's hand... but now it is filled with abominations.... Babylon makes all the nations drink of the 'maddening wine' of her adulteries..."

I find this "drunken boat" thing to be right on target, even if it's just a metaphor....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


i as thinking about it today but those pessimistic news about usa is not completely true.
they do have very talented and isciplined people working very hard.if you forget politicians,ceos,bankers,feminists,stock brokers,govt workers,lawyers,communists,NGO owners,journalists,media workers;rest of the americas are very decent.
despite its tremendous social problems,americans have managed to educate its kids and they are still at top.
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^ and watching the live feed of what happened at the OK caucus this weekend renewed my faith in my fellow countrymen. People shouldn't be so quick to write us off, a revolution seems to be starting to brew.
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America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this.
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The US Flagship turns into a "drunken boat".... wow... truer words have never been spoken.

I speak to many of my friends over in the States and all I hear is how so many are alcoholics or on drugs. It's bad. I remember when I lived in the states and so many people I knew were on drugs of some sort.

One of my friends told me he knew someone that regularly sold cocaine to the sales guys at a reputable Dodge dealer. They did "coke" while they were working in the offices.

So, the reality is.... "like people, like govt" I guess. It all trickles down and up and just like Revelation says... "Babylon was a golden cup in the LORD's hand... but now it is filled with abominations.... Babylon makes all the nations drink of the 'maddening wine' of her adulteries..."

I find this "drunken boat" thing to be right on target, even if it's just a metaphor....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


i as thinking about it today but those pessimistic news about usa is not completely true.
they do have very talented and isciplined people working very hard.if you forget politicians,ceos,bankers,feminists,stock brokers,govt workers,lawyers,communists,NGO owners,journalists,media workers;rest of the americas are very decent.
despite its tremendous social problems,americans have managed to educate its kids and they are still at top.
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^ and watching the live feed of what happened at the OK caucus this weekend renewed my faith in my fellow countrymen. People shouldn't be so quick to write us off, a revolution seems to be starting to brew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 736969


in general Americans tend to be more patriotic than older nations.i hope to see how they will punish those huge corporate crooks
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America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this.
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you haven't seen poverty from last 80 yrs....
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Lots of good fodder in this LEAP 2020 article. Here's another excerpt of interest... what's up with this????

"Our team, like many observers of US politics for that matter, has already identified one of the possible candidates for this role of “savior of the Nation”: General David Petraeus. Besides his name that sounds like a Roman governor, he behaved as such during his term as head of the US Armed Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many are the sy, diplomats, and other federal bureaucrats who would like to see a man of this “calibre” restore order in the country and an unquestionable federal state in command. The fans of order (11), for the rest love uniforms."

LEAP 2020 is a Global European Anticipation Bulletin, by the way.....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I think the savior of the nation could be Ray Mabus... Just as soon as he is killed and comes back to life...
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[link to www.leap2020.eu]

In this issue, our team gives its anticipations regarding the future of the United States for the 2012-2016 period. We recall that since 2006 and the first GEAB issues, LEAP/E2020 described the global systemic crisis as a phenomenon characterizing the end of the world as we know it since 1945, marking the collapse of the American pillar on which this world order has rested for nearly seven decades. Since 2006, we had identified the period 2011-2013 as that during which the “Dollar Wall” on which the power of the United States sits would fall apart. Summer 2011, with the cut in the United States’ credit rating by S & P, marked an historic turning point and confirmed that the “impossible” (1) was indeed in the process of coming true. Therefore today, it seems essential to provide our subscribers with a clear anticipatory vision of what awaits the “pillar” of the world before the crisis at the point when the crisis moved into “top gear” in summer 2011 (2).

Thus, according to LEAP/E2020, the 2012 election year, which opens against the backdrop of economic and social depression, complete paralysis of the federal system (3), strong rejection of the traditional two-party system and a growing questioning of the relevance of the Constitution, inaugurates a crucial period in the history of the United States. Over the next four years, the country will be subjected to political, economic, financial and social upheaval such as it has not known since the end of the Civil War which, by an accident of history, started exactly 150 years ago in 1861. During this period, the US will be simultaneously insolvent and ungovernable, turning that which was the “flagship” of the world in recent decades into a “drunken boat”.

To make the complexity of the current process understandable, our team has chosen to organize its anticipations around three key areas:

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Leap 2020 is usually right on target with their predictions. This series is a real eye-opener. This link is to Part One, make sure to click through and read all 4 parts!

As if we didn't already know.....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


From this post, "the country will be subjected to political, economic, financial and social upheaval such as it has not known since the end of the Civil War...".

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil." (Albert Pike, Master Freemason, 1887)

Its not an "accident" what is going on!
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The whole earth is about to burn up. There will then be a new heaven and a new earth.

It's time to get right with the LORD. Believe in Jesus he is the only way, the truth and the life.

Few will find the narrow gate. Easy is the way to destruction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15897505


Kudos to you. But how can they hear when many think they are ascended "beyond" the knowledge contained in God's Word?

Sad state of affairs. Plant the seed, let God bring the storms that germinate and bring them to life.

No man, by mere words, can raise the spiritually dead.

Selah.

Thanks for weighing in....
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


No, not of our own power. We are called to be salt and light: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21:33
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America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this.
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No, we can't get through this as a whole - because many Americans nearly go bezerk when the shake machine is down at McDonalds...or the a/c stops working...or they run out of soda...or the vacuum cleaner gets clogged...or the mailman is 5 minutes late... and so on...

a weak people indeed
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pain will be felt only when people dont get food and entertainment.you have surplus of both.so at this time atleast,nothing will happen
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The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
 Quoting: grefey


Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-)

The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload.

You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much.

If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents".

Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive?

Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc.

Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt.

They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives.

Many have lost their way..... so very sad....

y_sad
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT.
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Typical humanist response. It is written that unless the LORD GOD intervenes in human affairs NO HUMANS WOULD BE SAVED! Humanits think that they can save themselves, but the reality is they are doing exactly the opposite!
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The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith.

The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL.
 Quoting: grefey


Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-)

The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload.

You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much.

If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents".

Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive?

Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc.

Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt.

They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives.

Many have lost their way..... so very sad....

y_sad
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT.
 Quoting: grefey


Typical humanist response. It is written that unless the LORD GOD intervenes in human affairs NO HUMANS WOULD BE SAVED! Humanits think that they can save themselves, but the reality is they are doing exactly the opposite!
 Quoting: LanMan


PRAISE THE LORD, BROTHER. I do not consider myself a humanist. I believe I am spiritual but not religious. Seeing how the Abrahamic religions are responsible for the death and suffering of billions of people throughout the last 1,000's of years via the merging of the roman empire with the catholic church, the inquisition, the reformation, the crusades and the present holy war on terror we are engaged in I refrain from all religious engagement. But you should feel free to proceed as you will.
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Who wants 4 more years of Obama? Not me... If he gets reelected, bye bye USA!

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America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this.
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No, we can't get through this as a whole - because many Americans nearly go bezerk when the shake machine is down at McDonalds...or the a/c stops working...or they run out of soda...or the vacuum cleaner gets clogged...or the mailman is 5 minutes late... and so on...

a weak people indeed
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Well yeah, Obviously the whole nation wont get through. But the strong will endure without all of that crap.

If you really want to increase your chances... Switch to a high fat/high protein diet. Fat now becomes your energy source. Also learn how to fast 24-36 hours. You can survive off of animal fat, olive oil, coconut oil, mobil 1 oil(kidding).
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America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14956737


No, we can't get through this as a whole - because many Americans nearly go bezerk when the shake machine is down at McDonalds...or the a/c stops working...or they run out of soda...or the vacuum cleaner gets clogged...or the mailman is 5 minutes late... and so on...

a weak people indeed
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^^^ this is reality





GLP