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Anonymous Coward User ID: 12887597 United States 05/14/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Far! For the first time the 10% enlightened portion of the population stands amoung the poor is poverty itself the conspiracy movement. demading like bhuddha himself "not until everyone gets to go." They are not predjudiced by favoritism to any one particular corporate or fiscal interest. The world, and in a special way America is waiting for GLP to tell it what to do. See some of us old timer conspiracy theorist remember a lot of these exact same psy ops from the late 70's early 60's and the one they are trying to back away from that was a big player back in the day was how much is society to blame for poverty. That is how they broke the budgets. How about a more constructive question. One that has a better chance of suggesting a solution. Here are some I just made up. How long does poverty take to reconnect to society. Is there a relationship between the number of employees and profitability what happened to stratified currency where the country taxed gold, the state silver, and the village copper who destroyed guilds and can we have them back now ...hmm on a reread, I don't think I'm too good at this. Maybe someone else sees it more clearly. |
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grefey User ID: 12865962 United States 05/14/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14956737 No, we can't get through this as a whole - because many Americans nearly go bezerk when the shake machine is down at McDonalds...or the a/c stops working...or they run out of soda...or the vacuum cleaner gets clogged...or the mailman is 5 minutes late... and so on... a weak people indeed ^^^ this is reality And addicted to DENIAL. |
aNONaMITTy User ID: 9834739 United States 05/14/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That was my post with the YouTube vid. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. I was responding to this comment: Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? That's the plan and here's how they are implementing it: This video is Yuri Bezmenov: [link to en.wikipedia.org] who was a KGB defector from the 80's. It's chilling to see how successful Russia (and prob. China) have been in crumbling the USA from within. Here's the vid again: Last Edited by ERE3 on 05/14/2012 12:13 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
grefey User ID: 12865962 United States 05/14/2012 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: grefey The Banksters are desperately attempting to hold everything together and have been committing financial fraud and evil deeds to do so for years now. There will be no General Peterus coming to the the rescue, I pray. I use to think Leap 20/20 had it together but now with the above statement of the leader of the Iraqi surge Gen. Peterus coming to power i have lost all faith. The surge was effective because it was out and out genocide against anyone who differed with U.S. policy and who could not be bought. No telling how many were murdered by U.S. troops and mercenaries. This is why we have an Afghan/Iraq Vet. committing suicide in this country every 80 minutes. Leap 20/20 is BS. When the derivatives go and they look like they are there will be no holding back the flood gate and we will all feel the pain. Hopefully, this will wake us up out of our SHAMELESS DENIAL. Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-) The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload. You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much. If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents". Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive? Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc. Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt. They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives. Many have lost their way..... so very sad.... What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT. All great kingdoms have their rise and then they fall. It's a fact of history. The handwriting is on the wall.... "MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN" God has numbered the days of America's reign and brought it to an end.... Daniel 5:25-26 Basically, we agree. It is just that I think we need to do the work and not get a "get out of jail free card" because we decide to believe in Jesus. We have been lied too so much and the bible has been tampered with so much it is truly difficult to believe in Christianity when it has been so corrupted. I believe God gave us all the ability to go within and ascertain the truth, if we want too. I live in the bible belt and know a lot of Christians that have not done their own work, believe me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11812402 United States 05/14/2012 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? USA is slated to be the NWO police, cant you see it? Look around we are the one who specialize in that, been doing it a LONG time. |
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LanMan User ID: 3337895 United States 05/14/2012 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Far! For the first time the 10% enlightened portion of the population stands amoung the poor is poverty itself the conspiracy movement. demading like bhuddha himself "not until everyone gets to go." They are not predjudiced by favoritism to any one particular corporate or fiscal interest. The world, and in a special way America is waiting for GLP to tell it what to do. See some of us old timer conspiracy theorist remember a lot of these exact same psy ops from the late 70's early 60's and the one they are trying to back away from that was a big player back in the day was how much is society to blame for poverty. That is how they broke the budgets. How about a more constructive question. One that has a better chance of suggesting a solution. Here are some I just made up. How long does poverty take to reconnect to society. Is there a relationship between the number of employees and profitability what happened to stratified currency where the country taxed gold, the state silver, and the village copper who destroyed guilds and can we have them back now ...hmm on a reread, I don't think I'm too good at this. Maybe someone else sees it more clearly. The will be no "solution" for carnal human beings, the liberal humanists of humanity who reject the Authority of the Creator, the Lord God, the Almighty, the offer of eternal salvation through Jesus The Christ, and the real power of the Holy Spirit to "change" the "human way of thinking"! Despite carnal humanities every effort at attempting to "be like God", they will ultimately fail and fall, just as it is written! |
grefey User ID: 12865962 United States 05/14/2012 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Far! For the first time the 10% enlightened portion of the population stands amoung the poor is poverty itself the conspiracy movement. demading like bhuddha himself "not until everyone gets to go." They are not predjudiced by favoritism to any one particular corporate or fiscal interest. The world, and in a special way America is waiting for GLP to tell it what to do. See some of us old timer conspiracy theorist remember a lot of these exact same psy ops from the late 70's early 60's and the one they are trying to back away from that was a big player back in the day was how much is society to blame for poverty. That is how they broke the budgets. How about a more constructive question. One that has a better chance of suggesting a solution. Here are some I just made up. How long does poverty take to reconnect to society. Is there a relationship between the number of employees and profitability what happened to stratified currency where the country taxed gold, the state silver, and the village copper who destroyed guilds and can we have them back now ...hmm on a reread, I don't think I'm too good at this. Maybe someone else sees it more clearly. The will be no "solution" for carnal human beings, the liberal humanists of humanity who reject the Authority of the Creator, the Lord God, the Almighty, the offer of eternal salvation through Jesus The Christ, and the real power of the Holy Spirit to "change" the "human way of thinking"! Despite carnal humanities every effort at attempting to "be like God", they will ultimately fail and fall, just as it is written! Your scaring me!!!! See what I mean about Religion and Zealotry? |
aNONaMITTy User ID: 9834739 United States 05/14/2012 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? USA is slated to be the NWO police, cant you see it? Look around we are the one who specialize in that, been doing it a LONG time. Not as long as other countries. There's a reason China is such an old culture. Check out the YT vid. I posted earlier. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
LanMan User ID: 3337895 United States 05/14/2012 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr_Electric Good post. So far no shill-bots posting useless words. :-) The fact is that the people have had SO much thrown at them that they are NUMB. Plain and simple. Everyone wants to carry on... they HAVE to... and the only way to do that is to shut it off... tune it out. You almost can't blame people because it's information overload. You try to figure it all out and take it in, you get short-circuited. It's just too much, man. Too much. If you check out the link to FreedomSlips that I posted above... and read the document a bit, it will strike you right away that they must have learned A LOT from Iraq and that many of the procedures for Internment that are in that document must have been refined with things learned in occupying Iraq and dealing with "insurgents". Did Iraq knock out more birds with one stone? Was one of the benefits a total all out exercise that taught them the procedures to deal with enemy combatants and how to "manage" them by taking them captive? Some things I've pondered when reading the doc. There is mention of biometric identification in there as well. They do make it look like a humanitarian effort though in the introuction... "to reduce human suffering" etc. Who knows? I mean it all boils down to the true motives and heart of those in govt. They aren't angels, so I tend to not trust them. Even if they were angels, in the current climate, people have lost all faith and trust and would see all as corrupt motives. Many have lost their way..... so very sad.... What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT. All great kingdoms have their rise and then they fall. It's a fact of history. The handwriting is on the wall.... "MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN" God has numbered the days of America's reign and brought it to an end.... Daniel 5:25-26 Basically, we agree. It is just that I think we need to do the work and not get a "get out of jail free card" because we decide to believe in Jesus. We have been lied too so much and the bible has been tampered with so much it is truly difficult to believe in Christianity when it has been so corrupted. I believe God gave us all the ability to go within and ascertain the truth, if we want too. I live in the bible belt and know a lot of Christians that have not done their own work, believe me. You are correct in posting that the "bible has been tampered with", but there is much more to this than that. There has been a concentrated effort on the part of liberal humanists in all walks of human life down through the centuries, especially in the area of religion, to impose and enforce their "traditions" upon all under their "rule of law". As the prophets and apostles foretold, their liberal humanist "philosophes" and "traditions" are false"! Those who rely upon them shall fail and fall, just as all past human civilizations have. |
ehecatl User ID: 16043689 Mexico 05/14/2012 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14956737 you haven't seen poverty from last 80 yrs.... From most any position employed within "the machine", the thing to do is to go off to some forgotten but fertile corner, even if it means just taking a small nest egg and leaving most behind, and planting a garden which chickens and small animals. With enough of a nest egg, the change in lifestyle could be something beautiful to a person. But it is good to start on that at least a year ahead of time, especially if one does not know much about gardens or small animals. Everyone, of any economic class, should attempt to have at least one leg established on simple basic self sufficiency. |
aNONaMITTy User ID: 9834739 United States 05/14/2012 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: grefey What has happened to America and Americans is extremely sad. However, we will be forced to face the cold, cruel facts of our denial of reality and our moral decay. I do not say this in any condescending manner it is just how the universe works. We are all here for the ENDING OF AN AGE AND IT IS CALLED THE AGE OF MATERIALISM AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM THIS AND BE BETTER HUMANS BECAUSE OF IT. All great kingdoms have their rise and then they fall. It's a fact of history. The handwriting is on the wall.... "MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN" God has numbered the days of America's reign and brought it to an end.... Daniel 5:25-26 Basically, we agree. It is just that I think we need to do the work and not get a "get out of jail free card" because we decide to believe in Jesus. We have been lied too so much and the bible has been tampered with so much it is truly difficult to believe in Christianity when it has been so corrupted. I believe God gave us all the ability to go within and ascertain the truth, if we want too. I live in the bible belt and know a lot of Christians that have not done their own work, believe me. You are correct in posting that the "bible has been tampered with", but there is much more to this than that. There has been a concentrated effort on the part of liberal humanists in all walks of human life down through the centuries, especially in the area of religion, to impose and enforce their "traditions" upon all under their "rule of law". As the prophets and apostles foretold, their liberal humanist "philosophes" and "traditions" are false"! Those who rely upon them shall fail and fall, just as all past human civilizations have. And Russia and China are just waiting on America to fall. In fact, they planned it. Check out the vid: "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10644407 United States 05/14/2012 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the USSR fell the states started breaking away. That's what's going to happen here and my money is on Arizona being the first. Texas second. Not through any fault of their own, on the contrary... they'll want to take the time to kick the Fed in the balls. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6383062 United States 05/14/2012 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? The post American alternative is the local implemntation of Agenda 21 goals. Look here to see if your city is on the list: [link to www.iclei.org] Then, look into whether your city has what may be called a "Comprehensive Plan", "Redevelopment Plan", "Sustainablility Plan", "Smart Growth" plan, other terms you'll find in conjunction with these plans may be "Envision (your city name" and "Imagine (your city name)". Y'all better wake the fuck up and start researching and fighting what's going on in your own back yards!!! We're just about out of time, as many of these plans are well on their way to implementation. |
~fish out of water~ User ID: 6383062 United States 05/14/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? The post American alternative is the local implemntation of Agenda 21 goals. Look here to see if your city is on the list: [link to www.iclei.org] Then, look into whether your city has what may be called a "Comprehensive Plan", "Redevelopment Plan", "Sustainablility Plan", "Smart Growth" plan, other terms you'll find in conjunction with these plans may be "Envision (your city name" and "Imagine (your city name)". Y'all better wake the fuck up and start researching and fighting what's going on in your own back yards!!! We're just about out of time, as many of these plans are well on their way to implementation. I was not logged in, but that was my post. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 05/14/2012 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | America is going to suffer, But a lot of countries are in a way worse position than we are. We can get through this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14956737 No, we can't get through this as a whole - because many Americans nearly go bezerk when the shake machine is down at McDonalds...or the a/c stops working...or they run out of soda...or the vacuum cleaner gets clogged...or the mailman is 5 minutes late... and so on... a weak people indeed ^^^ this is reality No. I and people I know don't go to fast food places, don't have a/c, don't drink soda, (it's poison), and why would anyone care about a vacuum cleaner and the mail lady (in our case) being late? There are weak and stupid people. There always will be but many aren't. Especially when the chips are down. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15411618 United States 05/14/2012 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The US Flagship turns into a "drunken boat".... wow... truer words have never been spoken. Quoting: Mr_Electric I speak to many of my friends over in the States and all I hear is how so many are alcoholics or on drugs. It's bad. I remember when I lived in the states and so many people I knew were on drugs of some sort. One of my friends told me he knew someone that regularly sold cocaine to the sales guys at a reputable Dodge dealer. They did "coke" while they were working in the offices. So, the reality is.... "like people, like govt" I guess. It all trickles down and up and just like Revelation says... "Babylon was a golden cup in the LORD's hand... but now it is filled with abominations.... Babylon makes all the nations drink of the 'maddening wine' of her adulteries..." I find this "drunken boat" thing to be right on target, even if it's just a metaphor.... yes amerika in this 21 century is babylon I have personally HAD to quit 3 jobs due to the owners on drugs and drunks this country is filled with prescription addicts and drunks it will not last too much longer It surprises me each year how it stays afloat the drugs and drinking then make them very corrupt the corruption is the issue |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9834739 United States 05/14/2012 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? The post American alternative is the local implemntation of Agenda 21 goals. Look here to see if your city is on the list: [link to www.iclei.org] Then, look into whether your city has what may be called a "Comprehensive Plan", "Redevelopment Plan", "Sustainablility Plan", "Smart Growth" plan, other terms you'll find in conjunction with these plans may be "Envision (your city name" and "Imagine (your city name)". Y'all better wake the fuck up and start researching and fighting what's going on in your own back yards!!! We're just about out of time, as many of these plans are well on their way to implementation. I was not logged in, but that was my post. I looked at the link and was surprised to see how organized it is. That's one of the points the speaker in the vid I posted above made....health food is a target for the spread of disinformation by the Russians. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8285424 United States 05/14/2012 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? You NAILED it. Wait until what people are so desperate to happen (the failed US) to happen. I adamantly disagree with so much of the US' policies but who wants to live in China if you are not wealthy?? |
grefey User ID: 12865962 United States 05/14/2012 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr_Electric All great kingdoms have their rise and then they fall. It's a fact of history. The handwriting is on the wall.... "MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN" God has numbered the days of America's reign and brought it to an end.... Daniel 5:25-26 Basically, we agree. It is just that I think we need to do the work and not get a "get out of jail free card" because we decide to believe in Jesus. We have been lied too so much and the bible has been tampered with so much it is truly difficult to believe in Christianity when it has been so corrupted. I believe God gave us all the ability to go within and ascertain the truth, if we want too. I live in the bible belt and know a lot of Christians that have not done their own work, believe me. You are correct in posting that the "bible has been tampered with", but there is much more to this than that. There has been a concentrated effort on the part of liberal humanists in all walks of human life down through the centuries, especially in the area of religion, to impose and enforce their "traditions" upon all under their "rule of law". As the prophets and apostles foretold, their liberal humanist "philosophes" and "traditions" are false"! Those who rely upon them shall fail and fall, just as all past human civilizations have. And Russia and China are just waiting on America to fall. In fact, they planned it. Check out the vid: Look, all good and honorable people no matter what color, creed, religion, etc. need to forget about our differences and come together and stop this divide and conquer mentality, the slaughter of innocent people and the corruption, greed and depravity humanity is suffering from at the hands of the guilty parties and we also need to clean our own backyards too. |
~fish out of water~ User ID: 6383062 United States 05/14/2012 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Mr_Electric Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? The post American alternative is the local implemntation of Agenda 21 goals. Look here to see if your city is on the list: [link to www.iclei.org] Then, look into whether your city has what may be called a "Comprehensive Plan", "Redevelopment Plan", "Sustainablility Plan", "Smart Growth" plan, other terms you'll find in conjunction with these plans may be "Envision (your city name" and "Imagine (your city name)". Y'all better wake the fuck up and start researching and fighting what's going on in your own back yards!!! We're just about out of time, as many of these plans are well on their way to implementation. I was not logged in, but that was my post. I looked at the link and was surprised to see how organized it is. That's one of the points the speaker in the vid I posted above made....health food is a target for the spread of disinformation by the Russians. I highly suggest everyone research the plans for their local cities and counties. If it's anything like where I live, it may already be too late too do anything about it. They've been working on these plans since the 90's in many places. It's a massive consolidation of power under the auspices of 'sustainability'. |
Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 05/14/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The US Flagship turns into a "drunken boat".... wow... truer words have never been spoken. Quoting: Mr_Electric I speak to many of my friends over in the States and all I hear is how so many are alcoholics or on drugs. It's bad. I remember when I lived in the states and so many people I knew were on drugs of some sort. One of my friends told me he knew someone that regularly sold cocaine to the sales guys at a reputable Dodge dealer. They did "coke" while they were working in the offices. So, the reality is.... "like people, like govt" I guess. It all trickles down and up and just like Revelation says... "Babylon was a golden cup in the LORD's hand... but now it is filled with abominations.... Babylon makes all the nations drink of the 'maddening wine' of her adulteries..." I find this "drunken boat" thing to be right on target, even if it's just a metaphor.... Many untrue suppositions in that newsletter ....such as this for example...... "The example of the Fed’s inability to implement QE3 (4) is indicative of the internal deadlock of the political system as it is now up against the public opposition of the Republican Party, the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street (not to mention the outward opposition of most of the world’s central banks). And, far from improving, on the contrary the situation will get worse in 2012 and after." [link to www.leap2020.eu] There is nothing factual about that entire paragraph. Bogus newsletter is bogus. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 05/14/2012 03:53 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10056415 United States 05/14/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might be a big "hooray" from some people, but even if the US is so evil, what is the post-American alternative? Could be even more evil and scarier.... Does anyone want Russia or China to be the new world Policeman?? usa is not going to go away....they will change Apparently the MAJORITY voted for CHANGE! LMAO |
aNONaMITTy User ID: 9834739 United States 05/14/2012 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062 The post American alternative is the local implemntation of Agenda 21 goals. Look here to see if your city is on the list: [link to www.iclei.org] Then, look into whether your city has what may be called a "Comprehensive Plan", "Redevelopment Plan", "Sustainablility Plan", "Smart Growth" plan, other terms you'll find in conjunction with these plans may be "Envision (your city name" and "Imagine (your city name)". Y'all better wake the fuck up and start researching and fighting what's going on in your own back yards!!! We're just about out of time, as many of these plans are well on their way to implementation. I was not logged in, but that was my post. I looked at the link and was surprised to see how organized it is. That's one of the points the speaker in the vid I posted above made....health food is a target for the spread of disinformation by the Russians. I highly suggest everyone research the plans for their local cities and counties. If it's anything like where I live, it may already be too late too do anything about it. They've been working on these plans since the 90's in many places. It's a massive consolidation of power under the auspices of 'sustainability'. The Russian's started way before the 1990's. Here's their inspiration: All warfare is based primarily on deception of an enemy. Fighting on a battlefield is the most primitive way of making war. There is no art higher than to destroy your enemy without a fight - by SUBVERTING anything of value in enemy's country. Sun-Tzu, Chinese philosopher 500 B.C. Here's how they did it: [link to www.godthearchitect.com] "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |