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Well said, ROSWELL case for being et is alive and Nick Redfern´s bull crap book is dead but he´s still will make money off suckers.

 
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Well said, ROSWELL case for being et is alive and Nick Redfern´s bull crap book is dead but he´s still will make money off suckers.
First of all, the case is far from dead and I certainly dispute
that it "irritates the crap out of most serious Ufologists." New
information continues to be uncovered.

Gen. Ramey´s memo, despite some rather clumsy attempts to
discredit it, certainly points to something other than a Mogul
balloon crash. The strong consensus reading still remains the
memo speaking of "the victims of the wreck" and dealing with an
object referred to as "the ´disc´".

A hoax regarding Charles Moore´s Mogul Flight #4 has been
exposed by Brad Sparks and myself. Moore, really the _only_
witness to Flight #4, has also been caught flagrantly lying
about other matters, altering data, changing stories, making
unprovable assumptions, and generally demonstrating that he is
an unreliable and biased witness.

Another cornerstone of the Air Force´s Mogul story has also been
discredited, the Duffy/Trakowski story. This was supposedly
Roswell debris being flown to Wright Field and instantly
identified as being from Mogul by Col. Duffy, the first Mogul
Project Officer. Turns out Duffy never made an such
identification in two letters concerning this he wrote shortly
before his death. More damning, a document turned up indicating
that Duffy wasn´t even at Wright Field at the time but near
Mogul headquarters in N.J. Reporters were being referred to him
on the day the Roswell incident story broke regarding the
supposed connection between the flying saucers and balloon radar
targets (Duffy helped develop the latter).

Some very notable people such as Gen. Exon and, more recently,
Edgar Mitchell have said that Roswell was an extraterrestrial
event. Many witnesses testified to the existence of highly
anomalous debris, far beyond anything available in 1947. Instead
it resembles new materials now emerging from nanotechnology
labs. That such materials could be made wasn´t even known 10
years ago.

The public and press at large always thought the Air Force´s
"wooden crash dummies from the future" report was preposterous.
One could similarly ask what the point of that was.

Even though mainstream media presentations keep regurgitating
the Mogul party line, such as last February´s ABC UFO special,
the Mogul balloon cover story has been steadily deflating.
Probably most of the U.S. public doesn´t buy it. Thus time to
possibly introduce a new red herring.

Even Redfern´s anonymous "Colonel" refers to the unfolding
inadequacies of the Mogul theory: "...when you have the alien
believers saying that the Mogul flight dates, or the size of the
debris field area, or the wind directions for Mogul flights
don´t tie up with the date or the location of the crash site
[where] Brazel found the material--and therefore this means the
material wasn´t Mogul and must therfore have been
extraterrestrial... Arguing about whether or not wind and
weather records or the size of a Mogul balloon indicate or don´t
indicate that [a Mogul balloon] might have been taken in the
direction of the ranch is irelevant when it wasn´t a Mogul
balloon..." (pp. 133-134)

It strikes me that somebody has been paying attention to the
inconsistencies being dug up about Mogul from researchers who
haven´t gone to sleep. "The Colonel´s" reference to the debates
about weather data, wind direction and crash location is
directly about Sparks and myself proving Moore a hoaxer with his
Flight #4 trajectory calculation. Flight #4, if it ever existed,
would have crashed somewhere else far removed from the Brazel
debris field.

Thus time to move on to a backup theory to try to cover as many
bases as possible. It doesn´t matter if much of it is so full of
holes that you could fly an Eben invasion fleet through it. It
just has to sound superficially plausible. It picks up a few
adherents who haven´t thought it through adequately and then the
infighting and time wasting begins anew.

>What´s the point?

The usual reasons for any disinformation. To waste people´s
time. To point them in the wrong direction. To confuse them. To
discredit them as evidence of hoaxing piles up..To get them
continually squabbling with one another. To paint the field as
being made up of conspiracy loonies and gullible believers. To
inform them of some truth but with plausible deniability built
in. Take your pick. It can be any combination of the above.

To this one might add that Redfern´s psyops witnesses are very
obviously trying to make the case that there never have been UFO
crashes and there is nothing whatsoever to UFOs. UFOs are just
cover stories for secret government projects.

The "what´s the point?" argument I didn´t find particularly
convincing as a defense when Redfern first used it, and I still
don´t find it convincing. A review of the history of Ufology for
the last 50 years shows that various UFO researchers have
regularly been the targets of disinformation. It was one of the
Robertson Panel´s recommendations from 1953 for controlling
public opinion on the UFO problem. Why should it necessarily be
any different for Redfern?
In the meantime, there is always sufficient garbage and plausible deniability built in that we don´t know where the lies
end and the truth might begin. Disinformation can take many forms and serve multiple purposes.


Regards,

David (Doty is not my God) Rudiak
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11/30/2005 12:21 PM
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Re: Well said, ROSWELL case for being et is alive and Nick Redfern´s bull crap book is dead but he´s still will make money off suckers.
Pray tell me, do advanced civilizations really fly "space ships" into atmospheres so badly and so frequently that they crash?

That track record is pretty ugly for star faring civilizations I´d say. And if the technics were so advanced, and alien, how did it get back engineered? Shit, Americans had a hard time with captured German and Japanese technics let alone some culture
many many thousands of years more advancedthan we stone age grunts.
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Re: Well said, ROSWELL case for being et is alive and Nick Redfern´s bull crap book is dead but he´s still will make money off suckers.
Sorry to tell you(author above) your dead wrong, I had a relative that guarded the Roswell alien craft,and no one´s heard his testimony except the family. No if ors or and. So,you will never know how stupid you sound to me. Investigate the Roswell crash and stop your silly rationalizing.
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Re: Well said, ROSWELL case for being et is alive and Nick Redfern´s bull crap book is dead but he´s still will make money off suckers.
1060 your an idiot. We put a man on the moon so we don´t have any troublre with German technics.
When you travel to another world , you do not know what you will encounter, the high power radar could bring down.

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