Physicist: Fukushima Unit 2 Has 100% liquification, Never Seen Before In Nulclear Physics

interesting interview about this situation
[link to soundcloud.com]
Arnie Gundersen and Dr. Micio Kaku

Last Edited by ~Iammoi~ on 05/15/2012 06:22 PM

OP did you read my rant were i hold every government from every country on the planet to blame!

this is a world event and no one is doing a thing.
where is the world outrage!
where is the world's support?
if this keeps going as we heard russia's meltdown still is.
this will effect every country in the world....
either the country will have to leave their land and the people move somewhere else...
or the ppeople will be entering your country.
both side will have a hell of a time to adjust.

i just hope the countries will meet us with open arm of brotherhood and not guns and fences!!!!!

Last Edited by psyoptics on 05/15/2012 06:24 PM

Thanks :)

[link to leaksfree.com]

bye all.

good news piece

I see people saying there will be a "steam explosion" if it hits the water table?

As I understand it, when the molten core comes in contact with water it doesnt create steam, the core strips away the oxygen atomsfrom the water and creates two hydrogen atoms, so the explosion will actually be a hydrogen/oxygen explosion.

Is this right?

well, that's why it's called DOOM, silly.

that is my understanding, but then I am no physicist.

please can i think it will just be a big ass steam explostion for now....
i can not even begain to fathom the other.

Review your claims, fear-monger!

Sun's photosphere temperature: 4500- 6000 K = 7641-10341 ºF

I also see people saying "nuke it". I have been thinkjng about this possibility and its very risky.

That said, in theory its possible, but one nuke wouldnt do the job. I think it will take at least 3 simultaneous nukes going off around the core. The three nukes carefullt placed around the core would implode the core and create another critiicality. But if the material wasnt immediately neutralised by the blast then it could make things worse.

Mind you, could it be any worse?! If we are facing extinction then what options do we have?

Its a tough call thata for sure, refferendum anyone?

no. the reaction you are talking about (water breaking
into hydrogen and oxygen) happens in the first
half hour of a nuclear reactor meltdown when the cooling
water goes much higher than operating temperature,
the zirconium (metal) casings around the fuel rods
start reacting with the water (at high temperature)
forming oxygen and hydrogen.

and, this is what happened when the 3 reactor building
had the hydrogen explosions in Mar. 2011.

wow aint we the smart one


FFS this will freaking melt through any known matter on this planet...
who cares how many degree it is after the temp is hotter the molten rock or lava.
down play this all you want....
just remember the event in russia is still burning down to the earth's core...and both counties events will keep doing so.
the only difference is japan being close the the ocean will hit the water talbes faster.

Last Edited by psyoptics on 05/15/2012 07:20 PM

Lol, fair enough :) big ass explosion it is then. :(

question to all.
are our leaders talking about this?
behind doors...in chicago?
over the phone.
by mail?
are they talking?
let us hope so.
i can not beleive they are not thinking about this.
US, canada, mexico, china, and all those countries in the south pacific.
they must right?

Last Edited by psyoptics on 05/15/2012 07:27 PM

obviously not, since nothing substantial has been
done about this since March 11, 2011.

time we in the US start calling our REP's and govenors about this.
i am

i do not think there is a age limit to call them!
can we all do this... yes we can!
enough bitchin here let us start the public outcry and now!

Your right, bad math 9900 Fahrenheit, half the temp of the photosphere going off of 5778k.

I meant to write it as 5,500 degrees in Celsius

Thank you!

And on the steam explosion vs. hydrogen explosion, I’m just trying to keep it simple so people can wrap their heads around the basic concept.

Last Edited by Chrit on 05/15/2012 08:05 PM

just to show i am dead serious...
here find your rep and call. fax what ever and when ever!!!!!
[link to www.americorpsalums.org]
you do not have to log in to get the numbers!

Well said AC. No disputing this. We ALL see it.
Fundamental points being overlooked in this debate. Once again common sense has been the first casualty.

From the comments area of the video:

... think it means it's no longer in the corium 'blob' state but capable of traveling into the earth's mantle in a stream-like state; which is much worse than any previous worst case scenario. There will be no remediation possible; resulting in radiological contamination of underground water-ways (interacting ocean and fresh-water aquifers) within this entire region, for hundreds-of-thousands of years.

Given the amount of energy needed to maintain a liquified condition without significant surface cooling is unusual. Classical thermodynamics has left the building…

Review your information and your physics.

There's nothing in Chernobyl "still burning down to the Earth's core" (See a simple reference: [link to en.wikipedia.org] ) because the fission melting core with the surrounding materials (corium) is able to reach a depth of dozens of meters, but no more: the corium dissipates its thermal energy in the surrounding material, breaking up and solidifying (See, e. g. [link to en.wikipedia.org] ) Of course, if the melted core reach enough quantity of underground water: fireworks!

Be serious! "The China Syndrome" scenario is a fictional one (a movie) without connection with reality. The real problem with the Fukushima accident is the radioactive contamination of the ground (the less important), the air (very important) and the sea (this could be a global catastrophe). This later could cause a huge impact over the marine ecosystems (plankton and subsequent food chains), and consequently, over the global food reserves.

And, BTW, in the worst scenario, you, the USA, will suffer the most dramatic consequences (after Japan): there is a spot of radioactive contamination that goes to your west coasts by ocean currents. If you want responsibilities, ask for explanations to the General Electric, the firm that designed the reactor (poorly), and to the TEPCO, the company that compromised with that.

Good luck!.

I was reading on a physics blog that it is quite possible the molten pool is 1/2 mile deep at this point!
At the temp it is at now....IT MELTS THROUGH EVERYTHING.

.....it's totally uncharted territory.

I predict no more explosions what so ever, but possible increasing releases of steam and fine nuclear particles, seen as "smoke".

The risk is VERY real, but the lack of drama will allow them to continue to do nothing.

Water will keep it's distance from very hot materials. Water can develop explosive vapor only if it drops down into a previously dry and hot chamber... and that would not happen here... unless...

Last Edited by ehecatl on 05/15/2012 08:47 PM

... and by God, if it really is that deep, then cap the damn hole to hell over.

That is how they are killing us, by not capping it.

bttt

did you listen to the audio from last week?????
on the first page???
go to 30:16!
unless Dr. M was lying..and why would he say is was and not all is good?
he said it was still burning and they were going to have to put more cement under the site.
this was last week why throw wikki in my face.

Last Edited by psyoptics on 05/15/2012 09:38 PM

how about flashpoint?
[link to www.flashpoints.net]
here is the audio!
[link to soundcloud.com]

This should be perma-pinned imo.