GREECE SITUATION UPDATES: The death of a 19-year-old Greek student has come to symbolize everything that's wrong with austerity!!!

can you tell us more about zanias and dimas. who are they and what are their backgrounds. thanks

Yes my friend. I posted this on the other thread and i will paste it here for your info.

George Zanias is professor of economics at Athens University of Economics and was for years Chairman of the Department of International and European Economic Studies at the University (1996-1998, 2004-2008). He holds a Ph.D. from the University of Oxford. He was an international expert for the European Commission, World Bank and the United Nations.

Stavros Dimas has been elected to the Greek Parliament ten consecutive times from 1977 to 2004 representing the party of New Democracy. He was Minister of Trade (1980-1981), Minister of Agriculture (1989-1990), Minister of Industry, Energy and Technology (1990-1991). The period 1985-1989 was parliamentary spokesman of the New Republic, and between 1995-2000 he was General Secretary of the Party.
In March 2004 he was appointed Commissioner of the European Union, first as Commissioner for Employment and Social Affairs, and by November 2004, EU Commissioner for the Environment, a position he held until the end of the first term of the Barroso Commission in 2009.
After the vote of confidence in government at 4/11/2011 Papandreou after the meeting and agreement in principle by the President of the Republic Karolos Papoulias, Prime Minister George Papandreou and opposition leader Antonis Samaras, his face was reported in the press as proposed for prime minister or the position of Deputy Prime Minister in the new alliance government scheme that seems to be in Greece.
Appointed Foreign Minister in the government of President Lucas Papademos in November 2011.

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Greece breached bailout rules with staff hirings- AFP [link to f24.my] What are those Grexit intrade odds again?

so just more puppets. How do your fellow greeks feel. are they happy with this new govt? what do they want or is everyone divided in their views. Guess most greeks know they are all corrupt, sad to see so many on food lines, do they just all feel hopeless and not much they can do?

Yep more puppets, but not surprising at all tbh. The feeling and taste is bitter my friend. Instead of doing the right things for the country all the politicians are doing the opposite here. A professor of univ. of Crete said in tv last week, that if we exploit our oil/gas resources we will pay our debt back in 36 months. But the corrupt system sold all of them and us to the banksters. They twisting the laws and system to their means. 55% of Greeks voted against austerity in the last elections, but the pro-bailout forces managed to form a govt. These are insane and totally undemocratic actions and the people will punish them for this. This is their last chance before the revolution here, they know it. But i'm pretty sure they will fuck this chance as they fucked up all the other ones. They are destined to fail, coz the austerity measures coming this month can't be repaid by the average people. The elite and rich of this country have to pay their fair share but they still don't it. I expect more tragedy coming out of Greece day by day.

Have to agree. But surprised just how much the greeks have taken so far, one would wonder what else must happen to them before they do something. Are they waiting for everything to be sold before they fight back. Remember the politician in last bailout who resigned because greek gold was offered as an asset. chances are it has gone already.

Have the greeks organized themselves via facebook, local communities etc. Using such venues to get the truth out and discuss what they can implement going forward and how. Or is it more just random unorganized stuff. Seems to me the best thing you can do now is use social media and local communities to start organizing. Form strong local groups with information clearly shared as to what has been done and plans put forward as to what needs to be done.


The problem with protest where you meet up in athens square is they do not work. It is easy for the police to control. You must organize at the local level and take back your local power first. The police do not have the manpower to prevent this if it happens in multiple places at once. If your local government is part of the corruption start arresting them.

You guys need to start formulating plans. maybe you are doing this. I hope so

Lots of good proposals to your post my friend, but sometimes is impossible to win a fight against the nwo. The young generation here is very well informed through social media and blogs. Older people get their info only by the tv and they are brainwashed and terrorized every day. Older people managed to have their homes and lifes and not starving that much. Countryside also have no problems whatsover, life there is almost as good as ever . Only the big cities voted anti-bailout because things in Athens and Thesaloniki are getting desperate. And things will go far more worse now according to their plans. I said before that we will probably have a coup in a few months down the line. It's unavoidable imo. The WW coming in the Middle East is my biggest worry tbh. What will happen to Greece is already decided and will go according to their plan.

nah ... he is going for his new world order implant in his head and will bear a scar like Obama

Assume all those old people are not dependent on pensions to survive and the people in the countryside have no problem if they can't get power, medicine or gas at reasonable prices.

Good to know you think it has all been decided and not much you can do. Hope when it comes this way we adopt a more proactive solution. but sounds like if most people in greece think like you then your future is toast.

Old people are the next in the line of the butchery. They don't know it yet, but they will understand it pretty quickly in the next few months. Mark my words, it will be a total collapse here in Greece and countryside will be the only option for people to survive.

Not all the people in Greece think like me, i go to the protests, i do everything i can to warn and inform people about the coming things, but we are not many yet. Lots of people believe that a magical solution will come from the sky. Total ignorance. I'm saying that everything has been decided, because the real reason of this crisis are the oil/gas resources that have been discovered in the East Med and Greece too. Crazy amounts of resources. Greece can't fight with all of them who want a piece of the pie. USA/Israel, EU, Russia, Turkey etc. They will wipe us out of the map if we don't play their game. It's all ok saying that you can do an Iceland, but in reality being in this geopolitical position that we are we can't.

GREEK FINANCE MINISTER RAPANOS RESIGNS; PRIME MINISTER ACCEPTS

… the same guy who was appointed last week, and who fainted after seeking the official Greek numbers.

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ROFL

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GREEK FINANCE MINISTER MAY BE STOURNARAS, STATE-RUN NET SAYS. How long will he last?

Stournaras cv:
He served as special advisor to the Ministry of National Economy (1986-1989), special advisor to the Bank of Greece (1989-1994), member of the Economic and Monetary Committee of the European Union (1994-2000), president and CEO of Mercantile Bank, Mr . al. Since 1989 he teaches in the Economics Department of Athens University. It is a general scientific director of the Foundation for Economic and Industrial Research.
He also took part in a Bildeberg session in 2009 so he is well known technocrat.

This son of a bich is worst than the other!!!

True, no way out of this for Greece. Lights out in a bit.

I imagine your rural countryside is similar to here in Spain which is very different to the rural countryside in England.

People have wells that are fed by natural underground springs so they don't rely on mains water. Most don't have indoor kitchens so don't rely on electricity or gas to cook. Cooking is still done outside using wood logs.

Fruit and veg are grown on the land and swapped with other families that live nearby to make sure there's a variety. Chickens provide eggs and meat. There are many goat and sheep farmers that also provide meat and milk via trading with local people. We're 20 minutes from the sea so there's plenty of fresh fish too. Fridges and freezers aren't required when food is fresh every day.

Hygiene isn't much of an issue either because most places do have showers and toilets but can resort to old fashioned methods if they need to. Hot running water is only needed for 3 or 4 months here in the south. A prickly pear bush is excellent for getting rid of sewage! lol. (Many towns here don't have sewage plants so it all flows into the sea anyway. There's been a lot of complaining in our local papers to say it must be sorted because it puts tourists off but there's no money so it probably won't happen soon).

When we moved here 10 years ago I was shocked at how simply many people lived with no mains water or electricity but it's actually not that difficult. No-one had internet and most didn't even have a phone! We had to wait nearly a year to get our line connected and in the meantime we went to the internet/phone cafe. My children also learned the old fashioned art of letter writing and we sent weekly letters to friends/family back in England. Mobile (cell) phones are still very expensive to run here and were even more so when we arrived but we got one just so my husband could take incoming calls for work.

I'm sure rural country Greeks will survive very easily, just like the rural country Spanish will. They live their lives by the land and seasons. Most older people don't even wear a watch but can tell you the time of day. Old skills haven't died out and many of the young are now returning to working the land too.

Some very good points you raise there my friend. Thought you were saying you going to leave Spain? Is this still your plan? My best wishes for everything you ll decide to do.

Lots of cities of 50k people also in the countryside. Villages are not that cut out from civilization as you say, there is water supply and electricity and other modern day western needs tbh, but most of the Greeks went to the two big cities in the last 10-20 years. Everyone rememebers that life was simpler and cheaper in the countryside. And lot of people are growing their own and have some cattle. My father has one litle farm for his own hobby after his day job and it is great. We don't pay for eggs,milk,vegies,meat etc. and the quality of the food is much greater.

I'll give you an example of how fucked up this euro situation is for Greece. It is cheaper for the Greeks to buy vegetables imported than to buy the Greek ones. Lots of Greek food production goes to the trash. I know some farmers that i met in an island last year in my vacation that they are not even bothered to pick their olives and make some olive oil. They just leave it there coz there is no profit for them. They just do it for their own needs. I know stats show that Greece imports a big part of their food, but the reality is that a big part of the Greek production goes unexploited for these imports to take place and there is no doubt that the Greek food products are of much higher quality too. We always had lots of food long before the euro and i don't expect this to change after that.

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Yes, we still plan to return to England. My children finished school last week, we get their results tomorrow and my eldest has his graduation on Friday night. We'd love to stay especially because the children have lived more than half their lives here but there's no work for my eldest and he's already enrolled on a 2 year college course to start in September.

I know exactly what you mean about importing products and letting good crops go to waste. Same thing happening here and farmers left olives and oranges to rot because they couldn't afford to pay wages to harvest them for the small amount they can sell them for. Very sad really when there's an abundance of fresh produce available. Most grow for themselves, to swap with neighbours and to sell a small amount at the local market.

We have a small house here so I hope to live here again after my youngest finishes his education but that's 5 years away and I honestly haven't a clue how things will play out between now and then. I also hope we can visit in those 5 years so my children can spend time with their friends here. We'll see... it's in the hands of the Gods. ;)

Congrats on your prodigies graduations.
Maybe it will be hard for your kids but things are not looking good in Southern Europe, you have to do what you think is best. Mediterranean region is a very cool place to live and i have no doubt that when things get better you will be able to do what you and your family wants. Best wishes for your journey.
I lived in England too for 3-4 years too and i have plans to go again by September-October, but my gut says that i won't be able to make it on time. Shit is moving fast since last week and i think Europe will be a very different place by then. Hope i'm wrong but i smell doom in the air especially for Greece.

Here too. Everyone is emigrating... it's very sad!

Would it not be more dangerous if they stay in the euro? Then the people who voted for Syriza and I guess most of the rest too would be really angry. They want out of the euro.

I would think that civil war is more likely if the government goes against the will of the people.

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More Greek ministerial resignations

Very sad indeed Luis. But where everyone will go in the end tbh? If the whole South Europe emigrates to the North there won't be any jobs in the North either and also i believe that the coming crash will affect Northern Europe the same. Banks are fucked up there too. Few countries will be able to absorb the hit.

What's going on? who resigns?

There is a rumor for deputy minister Vernikos of the ministry of shipping. Not confirmed here yet, but the rumors saying that he is involved in many offshore companies.

well well well... this novel it's not over...

It's the first time in Greek history that people don't want to be in the govt.
They know what is coming and making excuses about it. I don't buy most of them tbh.

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Greek ex-FinMin Rapanos resigns from his role as National Bank of Greece Chairman next