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citizenperth User ID: 15867940 Australia 05/16/2012 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One question has always bugged me when I watched Star-Trek: Quoting: subzero86 OK it's not too farfetched to think that in a few hundred years we'll be able to transport objects over large distances (they've already done this with atoms), but a human being ? We're not just molecules put together in a certain order, we have consciousness, we have a soul ! How do you transport those ? IMO teleporting a human will involve much more than disintegrating him from one place and having the technology and the capacity to store that information and use it to put him back together... ! This is true, that is why i believe that a transporting device would be more like a time tunnel device; where space is folded in on itself so you simply walk through to the other destination... fek that.. i'll drive my car or take a taxi... being disintergrated, and reasembled somewhere hither... fek that... eyeball in my bum, and a toe up my noes.. and god knows what is attached to my what used to be forehead... does not sound safe.... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/16/2012 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the Apollo missions ever went there to begin with, so using their numbers wouldn't do much in my eyes. Quoting: JuergenHess Well you can think whatever you want, but amateur astronomers tracked and observed the Apollo missions traveling to and from the moon. Since you are a number guy, see what you can come up with for the amount of gravity on the moon. We're told 1/6th of earth, but 7/10ths seems to come up for me. Keep in mind we don't know the density of the moon, so you must use an equation that doesn't need density Quoting: JuergenWe DO know the density of the moon though. Even over a hundred years ago Simon Newcomb gave the mass of the moon as 1/81.58 of the earth's mass (page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy"), very close to the true value of 1/81.17. Given that the radius of the moon is known simply by direct observation of its apparent radius and the distance which is known simply by observing the moon's orbit, the surface gravity according to Newcomb's data from over a hundred years ago would have been 1.61 m/s^2, only slightly less than the current figure of 1.62 m/s^2. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/16/2012 09:01 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13054977 United States 05/16/2012 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear powered? No thanks. Let's forget the whole thing. Manned space exploration is dead for the next 50 years. Dark Ages first... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1539700 Forget nuclear power....that is so 1945. MAGENTIC GRAVITY DRIVES already exist. Notice the silent Triangle craft overhead?....like the Arizona one especially? It's 1500ft wide....and 100% silent....aka....MAGNETIC GRAVITY DRIVE. I'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes... Unless someone has a clear video of it or lots of clear sharp pictures of them. Till then, it's |
IRQ_1 User ID: 1157608 United States 05/16/2012 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the main problems I've considered is that if you build an engine that warps space you simultaneously warp time making this a bit more complicated then just strapping on more powerful rockets. Pilots would need to find their "Zen" to be able to fly one as the immediate past and potential futures warp around them. $.02 Jack of all trades master of none "shall not be infringed." BLUE RIBBON AWARNESS FOR MENS' HEALTH Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. --ISAAC ASIMOV I never 'Ad hominem' I don't need to. The Constitution means everything or nothing. You can't have both. |
badkittie748 User ID: 7067524 United States 05/16/2012 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and we also have a form of communicators (OS style) in the form of cell phones which were inspired by TREK in the first place. as for phasers, we have had scientists working on that concept for the last decade or two ( the hand held kind) but you all are right, photon torpedos, and some of the other tech will still have to be developed.. in theory is all very possible and thats why i love the franchises all of them save for DS9. |
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IRQ_1 User ID: 1157608 United States 05/16/2012 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Probably in China. Jack of all trades master of none "shall not be infringed." BLUE RIBBON AWARNESS FOR MENS' HEALTH Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. --ISAAC ASIMOV I never 'Ad hominem' I don't need to. The Constitution means everything or nothing. You can't have both. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16032346 Spain 05/16/2012 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the Apollo missions ever went there to begin with, so using their numbers wouldn't do much in my eyes. Quoting: JuergenHess Well you can think whatever you want, but amateur astronomers tracked and observed the Apollo missions traveling to and from the moon. Since you are a number guy, see what you can come up with for the amount of gravity on the moon. We're told 1/6th of earth, but 7/10ths seems to come up for me. Keep in mind we don't know the density of the moon, so you must use an equation that doesn't need density Quoting: JuergenWe DO know the density of the moon though. Even over a hundred years ago Simon Newcomb gave the mass of the moon as 1/81.58 of the earth's mass (page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy"), very close to the true value of 1/81.17. Given that the radius of the moon is known simply by direct observation of its apparent radius and the distance which is known simply by observing the moon's orbit, the surface gravity according to Newcomb's data from over a hundred years ago would have been 1.61 m/s^2, only slightly less than the current figure of 1.62 m/s^2. The problem is not that the missions were real - they were. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. There is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16032346 Spain 05/16/2012 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the main problems I've considered is that if you build an engine that warps space you simultaneously warp time making this a bit more complicated then just strapping on more powerful rockets. Pilots would need to find their "Zen" to be able to fly one as the immediate past and potential futures warp around them. Quoting: IRQ_1 $.02 You cannot traverse the universe over vast distances in a linear fashion. First you need to study the true structural nature of the universe - something we may or may not have found yet - then you can impact that structure to "travel". Something we may or may not have done already. |
RTS REDUX User ID: 8620349 United States 05/16/2012 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHY IS THE DOMAIN UNRESOLVABLE? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16032346 buildtheenterprise.org Is he sharing classified technology? Still in Google cache but not resolved! server problems.. [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] May 13th, 2012 The BTE site is now officially 6 days old. The response so far? Whoa Nelly, it’s rather beyond anything I could have imagined! First, let me apologize for the extremely slow web page loading. Often the pages won’t load at all and then they time out. Even with limited access, the site traffic spiked from 100 visitors last Tuesday (and these were mostly me working on the website) to 42k visitors on Saturday. It will likely have over 60k today. The site traffic has completely overloaded my service provider, so yesterday I had to purchase a dedicated server at a different company. I hope to have it working today or tomorrow and then the site should run nice and fast. here's his youtube channel (BTE - Dan) [link to www.youtube.com] Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 05/16/2012 10:34 AM |
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Earth Daughter User ID: 15683631 United States 05/16/2012 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's very possible. But until we learn more about crystal technology and energy, we wouldn't get that thing very far. "Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 14554787 United States 05/16/2012 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Changing horses. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. Quoting: ACThere is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. Actually we do know the story, the footage is quite real. Unfortunately, that's not interesting enough for some. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/16/2012 11:17 AM |
JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the Apollo missions ever went there to begin with, so using their numbers wouldn't do much in my eyes. Quoting: JuergenHess Well you can think whatever you want, but amateur astronomers tracked and observed the Apollo missions traveling to and from the moon. Since you are a number guy, see what you can come up with for the amount of gravity on the moon. We're told 1/6th of earth, but 7/10ths seems to come up for me. Keep in mind we don't know the density of the moon, so you must use an equation that doesn't need density Quoting: JuergenWe DO know the density of the moon though. Even over a hundred years ago Simon Newcomb gave the mass of the moon as 1/81.58 of the earth's mass (page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy"), very close to the true value of 1/81.17. Given that the radius of the moon is known simply by direct observation of its apparent radius and the distance which is known simply by observing the moon's orbit, the surface gravity according to Newcomb's data from over a hundred years ago would have been 1.61 m/s^2, only slightly less than the current figure of 1.62 m/s^2. how did he know the density of the moon? impossible, the moon is full of volcanic tubes and may have huge caverns. getting the density of a rock from there doesnt give you the overall density. so try the calculation without density, you can use the 3 body rule. or calculate using the neutral point |
JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the Apollo missions ever went there to begin with, so using their numbers wouldn't do much in my eyes. Quoting: JuergenHess Well you can think whatever you want, but amateur astronomers tracked and observed the Apollo missions traveling to and from the moon. Since you are a number guy, see what you can come up with for the amount of gravity on the moon. We're told 1/6th of earth, but 7/10ths seems to come up for me. Keep in mind we don't know the density of the moon, so you must use an equation that doesn't need density Quoting: JuergenWe DO know the density of the moon though. Even over a hundred years ago Simon Newcomb gave the mass of the moon as 1/81.58 of the earth's mass (page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy"), very close to the true value of 1/81.17. Given that the radius of the moon is known simply by direct observation of its apparent radius and the distance which is known simply by observing the moon's orbit, the surface gravity according to Newcomb's data from over a hundred years ago would have been 1.61 m/s^2, only slightly less than the current figure of 1.62 m/s^2. The problem is not that the missions were real - they were. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. There is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. i have an original nasa photo of the moon pre-1970, before they starting airbrushing, i doubt they went to the moon knowing whats up there |
JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Changing horses. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. Quoting: ACThere is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. Actually we do know the story, the footage is quite real. Unfortunately, that's not interesting enough for some. how do you KNOW this? |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/16/2012 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the Apollo missions ever went there to begin with, so using their numbers wouldn't do much in my eyes. Quoting: JuergenHess Well you can think whatever you want, but amateur astronomers tracked and observed the Apollo missions traveling to and from the moon. Since you are a number guy, see what you can come up with for the amount of gravity on the moon. We're told 1/6th of earth, but 7/10ths seems to come up for me. Keep in mind we don't know the density of the moon, so you must use an equation that doesn't need density Quoting: JuergenWe DO know the density of the moon though. Even over a hundred years ago Simon Newcomb gave the mass of the moon as 1/81.58 of the earth's mass (page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy"), very close to the true value of 1/81.17. Given that the radius of the moon is known simply by direct observation of its apparent radius and the distance which is known simply by observing the moon's orbit, the surface gravity according to Newcomb's data from over a hundred years ago would have been 1.61 m/s^2, only slightly less than the current figure of 1.62 m/s^2. how did he know the density of the moon? By measuring its mass. Volume is directly observable by the size of the moon, density is simply a function of mass and volume. impossible, the moon is full of volcanic tubes and may have huge caverns. getting the density of a rock from there doesnt give you the overall density. Quoting: juergenWhat the hell dude? I didn't say anything about extrapolating based on the density of a moon rock. I didn't say anything even close to that. Clearly you didn't understand anything I said. The mass was measured by observing the way the moon gravitationally affects the earth, again, reported by Simon Newcomb over a hundred years ago on page 142 of "The elements of the four inner planets and the fundamental constants of astronomy." so try the calculation without density, Quoting: JuergenNo, density is a known factor for the reasons stated above. I'm not going to ignore that known data just because you tell me to. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/16/2012 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Changing horses. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. Quoting: ACThere is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. Actually we do know the story, the footage is quite real. Unfortunately, that's not interesting enough for some. how do you KNOW this? I know it because I've examined it myself. I'm not going to go over all those details, you can't even seem to understand how we knew the mass of the moon long before we even ventured into space. |
JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Changing horses. They were just not as we were told. Most footage from the actual missions and lunar surface was pre-shot. Quoting: ACThere is an unsubstantiated rumor of alien contact but we will probabaly never know the full story of what happened on the surface in 1969. Not in our lifetime. Actually we do know the story, the footage is quite real. Unfortunately, that's not interesting enough for some. how do you KNOW this? I know it because I've examined it myself. I'm not going to go over all those details, you can't even seem to understand how we knew the mass of the moon long before we even ventured into space. Nasa is so compartmentalized that there is no way your "friends" even knew what they were working on, not the big picture. So do you at least agree that the Nazi's are the only reason we have a space program? and how old are you? you have friends that were engineers on the Apollo program? Chances are they were just telling you what they were told about their project |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/16/2012 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Changing horses. ... Actually we do know the story, the footage is quite real. Unfortunately, that's not interesting enough for some. how do you KNOW this? I know it because I've examined it myself. I'm not going to go over all those details, you can't even seem to understand how we knew the mass of the moon long before we even ventured into space. Nasa is so compartmentalized that there is no way your "friends" even knew what they were working on, not the big picture. You're completely changing horses again. I'm not going to keep playing whack a mole with you every time you want to change the subject. Nothing you just said had anything to do with what I said, again. |
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JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know it because I've examined it myself. I'm not going to go over all those details, you can't even seem to understand how we knew the mass of the moon long before we even ventured into space. Nasa is so compartmentalized that there is no way your "friends" even knew what they were working on, not the big picture. You're completely changing horses again. I'm not going to keep playing whack a mole with you every time you want to change the subject. Nothing you just said had anything to do with what I said, again. sorry, not trying to bug you I just like to consume info, and would like info you have, what are your thoughts on the book Gravitational Force of the Sun? if you haven't read it here is a summary [link to thelivingmoon.com] |
JuergenHess (OP) User ID: 11811065 United States 05/16/2012 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i have an original nasa photo of the moon pre-1970, before they starting airbrushing, i doubt they went to the moon knowing whats up there Quoting: JuergenHess Why not scan it and post it somewere from a pxy? yes i did post a picture of it, it's in a different thread, here's the link Thread: Had lunch with John Lear today! the link is about half way down the page, great great photo |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 05/16/2012 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut I know it because I've examined it myself. I'm not going to go over all those details, you can't even seem to understand how we knew the mass of the moon long before we even ventured into space. Nasa is so compartmentalized that there is no way your "friends" even knew what they were working on, not the big picture. You're completely changing horses again. I'm not going to keep playing whack a mole with you every time you want to change the subject. Nothing you just said had anything to do with what I said, again. sorry, not trying to bug you I just like to consume info, and would like info you have, what are your thoughts on the book Gravitational Force of the Sun? if you haven't read it here is a summary [link to thelivingmoon.com] My thoughts are that I'll start hemorrhaging IQ points if I read that book. Universal gravitation works, I'm sorry but that's not even up for debate. |