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The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!

 
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I know because I once was one. Pure deluded dumbass I was.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


I've gone through the whole BIG circle.

1) Raised christian, just assumed it was the truth because of course you trust your parents.

2) Then I discovered all the lies and hypocrisy of christians and was so distraught I became an atheist.

3) Then I actually educated myself and discovered that our social institutions are only pretending to have it all figured out - the world is actually a genuine mystery through and through.

The atheists and materialists of the world who are pretending to have it all figured out are just angry people as I was, but they haven't yet let go. This is obvious because otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to "crusade" their world-view, just as all the religious nuts crusade.

There are good things about christianity just like any religion, it's just that christianity's representatives in the western world are the absolute garbage of humanity.

Buddhism really appeals to me, but who knows, maybe the representatives of buddhism in China are the garbage of their society just like the christians are the garbage here in the states.

I think most everyone who honestly searches goes through that cycle, but lots of people get stuck at points 1 or 2.
 Quoting: Urban


Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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I know because I once was one. Pure deluded dumbass I was.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


I've gone through the whole BIG circle.

1) Raised christian, just assumed it was the truth because of course you trust your parents.

2) Then I discovered all the lies and hypocrisy of christians and was so distraught I became an atheist.

3) Then I actually educated myself and discovered that our social institutions are only pretending to have it all figured out - the world is actually a genuine mystery through and through.

The atheists and materialists of the world who are pretending to have it all figured out are just angry people as I was, but they haven't yet let go. This is obvious because otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to "crusade" their world-view, just as all the religious nuts crusade.

There are good things about christianity just like any religion, it's just that christianity's representatives in the western world are the absolute garbage of humanity.

Buddhism really appeals to me, but who knows, maybe the representatives of buddhism in China are the garbage of their society just like the christians are the garbage here in the states.

I think most everyone who honestly searches goes through that cycle, but lots of people get stuck at points 1 or 2.
 Quoting: Urban


Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper

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I did the homework; I read the Bible few times - did you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16092389


"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;" (Mark 4:12)

In other words, you can read the Bible all you want, but if you don't have the eyes to see nor the ears to hear, it's all in vain. You simply don't believe.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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I did the homework; I read the Bible few times - did you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16092389


"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;" (Mark 4:12)

In other words, you can read the Bible all you want, but if you don't have the eyes to see nor the ears to hear, it's all in vain. You simply don't believe.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


Believe what? What you believe?
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Truth is, if you didn't know me you wouldn't know I was a Christian. One of my faults as a Christian is that I don't try to covert the spirit-less zombies. I actually avoid that conversation. I believe people who bash Christianity and deny any form of deity or creator are of sound mind and body and deserve to experience the fault of their ways. I generally nod and smile satisfied in knowing they cannot escape themselves or their fate.
I only believe half of what I read and even half of that is bullshit.
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Truth is, if you didn't know me you wouldn't know I was a Christian. One of my faults as a Christian is that I don't try to covert the spirit-less zombies. I actually avoid that conversation. I believe people who bash Christianity and deny any form of deity or creator are of sound mind and body and deserve to experience the fault of their ways. I generally nod and smile satisfied in knowing they cannot escape themselves or their fate.
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I believe in the creator... just bashing on the ignorant christian right.
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Part of the problem is that Laodiceans don't recognize themselves ;)
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But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


First of all, stop calling me grasshopper if you don't mind.

There are two line of texts that the Bibles today are based on. The modern perversions such as the NIV, NASB, ESV, NLV, NLT, and so on are based on the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus. Both of these originated from Alexandria, Egypt; these two are the corrupt ones. All the modern perversions come from the line from Egypt, whereas the Bible says nothing good can come from Egypt. So why would we trust out Bibles coming from there?

That's why I stick to one version, the King James, which is from a totally different line that came from the Textus Receptus, as opposed to the other perversions that came up from Alexandria, Egypt through the Catholic manuscripts known as the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus through the revised version of 1881.

The word hell is being removed more and more from the modern perversions, and being replaced with things like Hades and 'condemnation', which aren't the same thing.

I don't understand why you wouldn't believe in hell, the place is made for Satan and his angels. Why do you reject it? Who told you it wasn't so?
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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I'm a Christian and I believe every word of the King James Bible...
 Quoting: Fidokrab

Then you must be schizophrenic; the Bible is the most contradicting, the least (logically and morally) consistent book I ever read.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16092389


Then you are unlearned. Do your homework before condemning something you know little about.

Read this: "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." (Proverbs 18:13)

And this: "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." — Albert Einstein

"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;"
(Mark 4:12)
 Quoting: Fidokrab

I did the homework; I read the Bible few times - did you?

Let's start with Genesis:

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

etc. etc. etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16092389


Pwned! Our friend here could stand to take his own advice.....for it's he who is unlearned. Not to mention a hypocrite, telling us not to condemn but doing it himself.

Last Edited by ajk on 05/15/2012 11:12 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


First of all, stop calling me grasshopper if you don't mind.

There are two line of texts that the Bibles today are based on. The modern perversions such as the NIV, NASB, ESV, NLV, NLT, and so on are based on the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus. Both of these originated from Alexandria, Egypt; these two are the corrupt ones. All the modern perversions come from the line from Egypt, whereas the Bible says nothing good can come from Egypt. So why would we trust out Bibles coming from there?

That's why I stick to one version, the King James, which is from a totally different line that came from the Textus Receptus, as opposed to the other perversions that came up from Alexandria, Egypt through the Catholic manuscripts known as the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus through the revised version of 1881.

The word hell is being removed more and more from the modern perversions, and being replaced with things like Hades and 'condemnation', which aren't the same thing.

I don't understand why you wouldn't believe in hell, the place is made for Satan and his angels. Why do you reject it? Who told you it wasn't so?
 Quoting: Fidokrab


Can I get you to point out for us where in scripture God first announced that sinners wind up in Hell? I assume it was pretty early into the game, and that He made it crystal clear, yes?
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I know because I once was one. Pure deluded dumbass I was.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


I've gone through the whole BIG circle.

1) Raised christian, just assumed it was the truth because of course you trust your parents.

2) Then I discovered all the lies and hypocrisy of christians and was so distraught I became an atheist.

3) Then I actually educated myself and discovered that our social institutions are only pretending to have it all figured out - the world is actually a genuine mystery through and through.

The atheists and materialists of the world who are pretending to have it all figured out are just angry people as I was, but they haven't yet let go. This is obvious because otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to "crusade" their world-view, just as all the religious nuts crusade.

There are good things about christianity just like any religion, it's just that christianity's representatives in the western world are the absolute garbage of humanity.

Buddhism really appeals to me, but who knows, maybe the representatives of buddhism in China are the garbage of their society just like the christians are the garbage here in the states.

I think most everyone who honestly searches goes through that cycle, but lots of people get stuck at points 1 or 2.
 Quoting: Urban


I hear you. I am ONLY stating that I believe it is the "christian right" that is a major problem in the US. I am not against christianity as whole nor am I against any other religion. It is this neo-political-religious-warmongering farce that I am completely and unashamed to be against
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


clappa Thank you, thank you, well said right there.
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The "christian right" promotes warfare and fear-based reasoning. They blindly support israel which is undeniably false. They promote the glorious gospel of hellfire and brimstone. They love to look down on brothers and sisters that are different then themselves such as gays and lesbians. Where is the love in any of this??????
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


It allows people to feel that they are at a "safer" distance from the lake of fire than someone whose sins seem worse than theirs.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


The way I see religion is twofold, it's a system that uses comfort and fear simultaneously to get what it wants. It draws you in with the comfort of going to heaven or some form of heaven....if you do as you're told......and then keeps you binded to it by threatening to take that comfort away if you leave them. It is the perfect control mechanism.

Once you have people believing they can attain salvation if you listen to them, and can lose it if you don't, you can play them like a fiddle, manipulate them to do anything you want them to, and make them believe anything you want them to believe, and religion does.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Pwned! Our friend here could stand to take his own advice.....for it's he who is unlearned. Not to mention a hypocrite, telling us not to condemn but doing it himself.
 Quoting: ajk


Yeah, okay. Sure...

The dude said he rejected the bible. I told him not to condemn something you don't know about, assuming he never read it. He replies stating he did read it. Then I replied, well if you don't believe what you've read then it's all done in vain.

Remember that greater knowledge means a much more strict judgement before God. You're held accountable for what you know.

Last Edited by Fidokrab on 05/15/2012 11:21 PM
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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The way I see religion is twofold, it's a system that uses comfort and fear simultaneously to get what it wants. It draws you in with the comfort of going to heaven or some form of heaven....if you do as you're told......and then keeps you binded to it by threatening to take that comfort away if you leave them. It is the perfect control mechanism.

Once you have people believing they can attain salvation if you listen to them, and can lose it if you don't, you can play them like a fiddle, manipulate them to do anything you want them to, and make them believe anything you want them to believe, and religion does.
 Quoting: ajk


What you've said lines up perfectly with false religions like Catholicism and Islam. It doesn't fit with Bible Christianity, because God does the saving. We don't follow a long list of rules YOU MUST DO in order to earn our way to Heaven. That's not how it works.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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Pwned! Our friend here could stand to take his own advice.....for it's he who is unlearned. Not to mention a hypocrite, telling us not to condemn but doing it himself.
 Quoting: ajk


Yeah, okay. Sure...

The dude said he rejected the bible. I told him not to condemn something you don't know about, assuming he never read it. He replies stating he did read it. Then I replied, well if you don't believe what you've read then it's all done in vain.

Remember that greater knowledge means a much more strict judgement before God. You're held accountable for what you know.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


How can you believe in something that BLATANTLY contradicts itself many times over!? Does that pass for divinely inspired??? It doesn't to me!
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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I know because I once was one. Pure deluded dumbass I was.
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


I've gone through the whole BIG circle.

1) Raised christian, just assumed it was the truth because of course you trust your parents.

2) Then I discovered all the lies and hypocrisy of christians and was so distraught I became an atheist.

3) Then I actually educated myself and discovered that our social institutions are only pretending to have it all figured out - the world is actually a genuine mystery through and through.

The atheists and materialists of the world who are pretending to have it all figured out are just angry people as I was, but they haven't yet let go. This is obvious because otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to "crusade" their world-view, just as all the religious nuts crusade.

There are good things about christianity just like any religion, it's just that christianity's representatives in the western world are the absolute garbage of humanity.

Buddhism really appeals to me, but who knows, maybe the representatives of buddhism in China are the garbage of their society just like the christians are the garbage here in the states.

I think most everyone who honestly searches goes through that cycle, but lots of people get stuck at points 1 or 2.
 Quoting: Urban


Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


hell is real. here is a great study in the ancient greek and hebrew on hell. [link to christiandefense.org]
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The way I see religion is twofold, it's a system that uses comfort and fear simultaneously to get what it wants. It draws you in with the comfort of going to heaven or some form of heaven....if you do as you're told......and then keeps you binded to it by threatening to take that comfort away if you leave them. It is the perfect control mechanism.

Once you have people believing they can attain salvation if you listen to them, and can lose it if you don't, you can play them like a fiddle, manipulate them to do anything you want them to, and make them believe anything you want them to believe, and religion does.
 Quoting: ajk


What you've said lines up perfectly with false religions like Catholicism and Islam. It doesn't fit with Bible Christianity, because God does the saving. We don't follow a long list of rules YOU MUST DO in order to earn our way to Heaven. That's not how it works.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
 Quoting: Fidokrab


Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.

Last Edited by ajk on 05/15/2012 11:31 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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hell is real. here is a great study in the ancient greek and hebrew on hell. [link to christiandefense.org]
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Hell is a pagan myth. God said not one word about any burning afterlife in all the Law, while during that same era, the heathen tribes whom Israel was ordered *not* to consort with had various tales of damnation and fiery underworlds - this is where God's people learned to conduct devilish rituals which included burning their children, which God condemns them for in Jeremiah 7, 19 and 32.

God is love, and love never fails. He won't have any need to discard anyone.
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Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.
 Quoting: ajk


Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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I hear you. I am ONLY stating that I believe it is the "christian right" that is a major problem in the US. I am not against christianity as whole nor am I against any other religion. It is this neo-political-religious-warmongering farce that I am completely and unashamed to be against
 Quoting: 1COR15:22


It's all good man, I'm neither a christian nor a defender of christianity.

Just trying to bring peoples together.

(edit: BTW I totally agree with all you said above)

Last Edited by Urban on 05/15/2012 11:43 PM
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Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.

Last Edited by Urban on 05/15/2012 11:47 PM
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Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.
 Quoting: ajk


Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.
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So you believe in hell. What are your thoughts on the modern nation called Israel?
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Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.
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Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.
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So you believe in hell. What are your thoughts on the modern nation called Israel?
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Yes, I believe in hell and those who died willfully rejecting God will wake up in fire on the other side being tormented, and regretting that they were ever born. This is happening right now. You still have time to not end up in there.

As for Israel, you have to ask yourself the question why does every nation in that part of the world hate such a tiny strip of land? Why are Muslims so outrageously obsessed with this tiny nation of jewish people who want to mind their own business in their country? It's weird, but coming from a Biblical view of it; it's nothing more than fulfilling prophecy. So, I support spiritual Israel, what the Bible says about it. But as for politics inside Israel today, I don't care for that. Nor do I care for sending them money.
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Re: The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!
Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.
 Quoting: ajk


Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


And you still lack it now, you don't have any idea what you gave yourself over to.

As for pridefulness? You're one to talk, your own belief system puts you above any others who disagree, and puts such people in hell. If that's not pride I don't know what is.

Look at yourself first before you judge me. And you did fail also, even if you think you didn't. I told you how it is.

Last Edited by ajk on 05/15/2012 11:53 PM
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!
Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.
 Quoting: Fidokrab


No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.

 Quoting: Urban


QFT.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.
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Just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in the newspaper, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in a magazine, doesn't make it true.
Just because you heard something from your friend, doesn't make it true.
Just because you saw something on TV, doesn't make it true.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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Re: The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!
No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.
 Quoting: Urban


Just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in the newspaper, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in a magazine, doesn't make it true.
Just because you heard something from your friend, doesn't make it true.
Just because you saw something on TV, doesn't make it true.
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Throwing that back at us doesn't make you anymore right.......just sayin.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!
And you still lack it now, you don't have any idea what you gave yourself over to.

As for pridefulness? You're one to talk, your own belief system puts you above any others who disagree, and puts such people in hell. If that's not pride I don't know what is.

Look at yourself first before you judge me. And you did fail also, even if you think you didn't. I told you how it is.
 Quoting: ajk


Hey, I can judge as long as I'm judging righteously and not being a hypocrite. That is Biblical.

And no, I'm not being prideful. If you want to find pridefulness, go look into new age theories. There's people out there who think they're more evolved than others, thinking they're achieving godhood or whatever. THAT'S PRIDEFUL.

You make think I am, but I'm not. If I seem that way to you I apologize, but that is certainly not my intention.

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The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.
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Re: The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!
And you still lack it now, you don't have any idea what you gave yourself over to.

As for pridefulness? You're one to talk, your own belief system puts you above any others who disagree, and puts such people in hell. If that's not pride I don't know what is.

Look at yourself first before you judge me. And you did fail also, even if you think you didn't. I told you how it is.
 Quoting: ajk


Hey, I can judge as long as I'm judging righteously and not being a hypocrite. That is Biblical.

And no, I'm not being prideful. If you want to find pridefulness, go look into new age theories. There's people out there who think they're more evolved than others, thinking they're achieving godhood or whatever. THAT'S PRIDEFUL.

You make think I am, but I'm not. If I seem that way to you I apologize, but that is certainly not my intention.
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Your religion makes you that way, even if you don't look at as such. And I don't care if your Bible condones judging or not (Judge not lest ye be judged anyone?), it's still a bad idea.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Your religion makes you that way, even if you don't look at as such. And I don't care if your Bible condones judging or not (Judge not lest ye be judged anyone?), it's still a bad idea.
 Quoting: ajk


First of all, "Judge not lest ye be judged" refers to hypocritical judging. If I told you shouldn't cuss, while I was using cuss words to say that, then I would be a hypocrite, that would fall under "Judge not lest ye be judged." To take it out of context and say all judging is bad? That's not right.

If someone were to come up to me in real life, and were smoking cigarettes, dressed in some crazy goth outfit, and were saying the F word every 5 seconds, would it not be okay to judge them? I can certainly look at person and judge, and be like, "yeah that guy is totally not a Christian".

Now it wouldn't be okay if the same story happened, but the guy was some normal regular person, and I couldn't tell what kind of person this is. That's when it's not okay to judge him.
The false gospel: If you don't continually perform, you're out.

The true Gospel: Believe.

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