The "Christian Right" needs to wake up. Hypocrites!

I've gone through the whole BIG circle.

1) Raised christian, just assumed it was the truth because of course you trust your parents.

2) Then I discovered all the lies and hypocrisy of christians and was so distraught I became an atheist.

3) Then I actually educated myself and discovered that our social institutions are only pretending to have it all figured out - the world is actually a genuine mystery through and through.

The atheists and materialists of the world who are pretending to have it all figured out are just angry people as I was, but they haven't yet let go. This is obvious because otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to "crusade" their world-view, just as all the religious nuts crusade.

There are good things about christianity just like any religion, it's just that christianity's representatives in the western world are the absolute garbage of humanity.

Buddhism really appeals to me, but who knows, maybe the representatives of buddhism in China are the garbage of their society just like the christians are the garbage here in the states.

I think most everyone who honestly searches goes through that cycle, but lots of people get stuck at points 1 or 2.

Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.

I did the homework; I read the Bible few times - did you?

"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;" (Mark 4:12)

In other words, you can read the Bible all you want, but if you don't have the eyes to see nor the ears to hear, it's all in vain. You simply don't believe.

Truth is, if you didn't know me you wouldn't know I was a Christian. One of my faults as a Christian is that I don't try to covert the spirit-less zombies. I actually avoid that conversation. I believe people who bash Christianity and deny any form of deity or creator are of sound mind and body and deserve to experience the fault of their ways. I generally nod and smile satisfied in knowing they cannot escape themselves or their fate.

But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper

I did the homework; I read the Bible few times - did you?

Let's start with Genesis:

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

etc. etc. etc.

First of all, stop calling me grasshopper if you don't mind.

There are two line of texts that the Bibles today are based on. The modern perversions such as the NIV, NASB, ESV, NLV, NLT, and so on are based on the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus. Both of these originated from Alexandria, Egypt; these two are the corrupt ones. All the modern perversions come from the line from Egypt, whereas the Bible says nothing good can come from Egypt. So why would we trust out Bibles coming from there?

That's why I stick to one version, the King James, which is from a totally different line that came from the Textus Receptus, as opposed to the other perversions that came up from Alexandria, Egypt through the Catholic manuscripts known as the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus through the revised version of 1881.

The word hell is being removed more and more from the modern perversions, and being replaced with things like Hades and 'condemnation', which aren't the same thing.

I don't understand why you wouldn't believe in hell, the place is made for Satan and his angels. Why do you reject it? Who told you it wasn't so?

I hear you. I am ONLY stating that I believe it is the "christian right" that is a major problem in the US. I am not against christianity as whole nor am I against any other religion. It is this neo-political-religious-warmongering farce that I am completely and unashamed to be against

It allows people to feel that they are at a "safer" distance from the lake of fire than someone whose sins seem worse than theirs.

Pwned! Our friend here could stand to take his own advice.....for it's he who is unlearned. Not to mention a hypocrite, telling us not to condemn but doing it himself.

The way I see religion is twofold, it's a system that uses comfort and fear simultaneously to get what it wants. It draws you in with the comfort of going to heaven or some form of heaven....if you do as you're told......and then keeps you binded to it by threatening to take that comfort away if you leave them. It is the perfect control mechanism.

Once you have people believing they can attain salvation if you listen to them, and can lose it if you don't, you can play them like a fiddle, manipulate them to do anything you want them to, and make them believe anything you want them to believe, and religion does.

Yeah, okay. Sure...

The dude said he rejected the bible. I told him not to condemn something you don't know about, assuming he never read it. He replies stating he did read it. Then I replied, well if you don't believe what you've read then it's all done in vain.

Remember that greater knowledge means a much more strict judgement before God. You're held accountable for what you know.

But mistranslated bible christianity also says there is a hell. Which is a lie according to the original languages. Hmm. Study up grasshopper

What you've said lines up perfectly with false religions like Catholicism and Islam. It doesn't fit with Bible Christianity, because God does the saving. We don't follow a long list of rules YOU MUST DO in order to earn our way to Heaven. That's not how it works.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

hell is real. here is a great study in the ancient greek and hebrew on hell. [link to christiandefense.org]

Bottom line is, if you don't believe in Jesus or that damn book, you aren't saved. I don't care if that IS the only law or not, it is STILL a requirement, and thus you are not allowed to question it. So nice try, but fail.

I hear you. I am ONLY stating that I believe it is the "christian right" that is a major problem in the US. I am not against christianity as whole nor am I against any other religion. It is this neo-political-religious-warmongering farce that I am completely and unashamed to be against

Here, let me break it down for you in two, super easy to understand concepts!

1. There are those who believe they can save themselves by their own works and good deeds.
2. And those who deny themselves and believe they need a savior.

Every single religion and belief system in the entire world falls under category 1, including Buddhism. They gotta earn their way to nirvana or whatever lie they believe.

Bible Christianity is the only one that says you cannot save yourself and you need a savior.

Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.

So you believe in hell. What are your thoughts on the modern nation called Israel?

Why do you bother with the, "nice try, but fail" thing? Totally pointless and rude. Sounds like pridefulness to me.

But remember I thought the same way you did before giving my life to Christ. I simply lacked discernment then.

No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.

No arguments here.

BUT, I can break it down for you in only ONE easy to understand concept:

Just because you read something in a book, doesn't make it true.

Just because you read something on the internet, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in the newspaper, doesn't make it true.
Just because you read something in a magazine, doesn't make it true.
Just because you heard something from your friend, doesn't make it true.
Just because you saw something on TV, doesn't make it true.

And you still lack it now, you don't have any idea what you gave yourself over to.

As for pridefulness? You're one to talk, your own belief system puts you above any others who disagree, and puts such people in hell. If that's not pride I don't know what is.

Look at yourself first before you judge me. And you did fail also, even if you think you didn't. I told you how it is.

Hey, I can judge as long as I'm judging righteously and not being a hypocrite. That is Biblical.

And no, I'm not being prideful. If you want to find pridefulness, go look into new age theories. There's people out there who think they're more evolved than others, thinking they're achieving godhood or whatever. THAT'S PRIDEFUL.

You make think I am, but I'm not. If I seem that way to you I apologize, but that is certainly not my intention.

Your religion makes you that way, even if you don't look at as such. And I don't care if your Bible condones judging or not (Judge not lest ye be judged anyone?), it's still a bad idea.