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Men have always been looking for excuses to not marry and make families, stay single and party forever. This is by no means new or unique to this generation, its thousands of years old. If you dont want to be a family man then please by all means, step aside and let the men who get along with women and love children father the next generation. If women were passive and uneducated, men would despise them for that. The circumstances and times and places change, but that there are men looking for reasons to happily treat women like shit and devalue them never do.
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The problem is not with women.

The problem is with men who are growing up on video games, cartoons, junk food and homosexuality, and thereby collectively loosing their masculinity themselves.

Think about it.

PS - I am a man.
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Well,

I am a woman who still has good ovaries and has no kids;

does not intend to have kids in this messed up world

I work at home; own business; support myself and I am married to a wonderful man for 10 years.

We get along great and love each other very much... I respect and love him and he respects and loves me


If my husband were to get sick ; I would take care of him in his illness

this is what a marriage can do for a person ...

Marriage is healthy if two people are themselves healthy and mature individuals
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15411618

some 7 years back,i was travelling in night.I was waiting for a connecting bus on depot and had conversion with a old man there.The man talked only about his departed wife.how good she was n how lonely it gets in old age.but those type of marriages are almost extinct now
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Why?

They don't have to be...

I know of many who have these type of marriages

Yes. It does take work but

if it is meant to be ; then it is really quite easy to care and love each other...

My mother and father have been married for 66 years; this year in June will be there 67 th year of marriage.

My aunt and uncle have been married for 55 years.

There are nice women out there

yes, difficult to find but they do exist

ones who really want love and not materialism
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Current Marriage laws are immoral and should be abolished. They take the assets from naive, selfless individuals to give them to smart, selfish people.

Individuals can have good, long, functional relationships without being "married".
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True musculinity is about being courteous to women and giving them due respect and admiration for their individuality and freedom. Even dominant male Tigers fight to death or injury for their females around. They've got to have something.

You are just a fag, OP. Try appreciating a woman's freedom, individuality, courage and dominance...and see how quickly she submits to you for sex. That works for me!
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please go and visit your gay club,indie.you seem to be like very big mangina in making to me
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Being from India myself too, I can say that India hasn't reached the state of feminism that you are criticizing here. In fact, many women are slaughtered in the embryo itself in places like Haryana, Rajasthan, UP etc. The remaining others are treated as property and are stripped all basic rights and individuality of selecting their own mate. In such scenario, a real man should be courteous and sympathetic to women. In fact, even in western societies a real man should be respectful towards women as equals of men in society.

I repeat, even the Tigresses roam free and strong in the Indian jungles here. The male Tigers, who are the personification of true masculinity, are courteous towards here during mating season, protective of her, and respectful of her individuality. The male retreats when the female is around cubs respecting her rights. Thats true masculinity for you. You, on the other hand, isn't probably even sure of your own sexual orientation till now. You grew up on video games and cartoon network - and still continue to indulge in them. How do you expect a woman to respect you? Think about it.
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As you say, your women act differently from ours. So naturally, in that case it makes sense that men can and should act differently.

Why you think you should advise on a situation you've never experienced, I may not quite understand.
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I completely agree with you on this entire post brother. To be honest, I've completely given up the idea of dating for the time being. Kids are way to damn expensive and most of the women I run into have a very narrow scope of reality: shop, watch television, and gossip.

This planet is going to decomplexify and television and shopping will become a memory of the past. Then you will find out what being a man is all about that this bonanza of cheap electrical and liquid fuel energy has done for us: splitting logs at 2 am on a winter night to keep your family warm, plowing a field so you don't starve. Nothing sexier than a woman who knows how to grow food. NOTHING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16072791


You mingle in the wrong crowd

My niece, who is 23, just graduated with cum laude in science and psychology and is now a teacher at a college level...

Her friends are all the same way...

In fact, one owns her own IT business at 24 years old...

Many women today are smart ; well educated and not like what you described...

there are those ...but you run with the wrong crown then

Get out of the bar scene and find quality and become quality yourself...

and you will attract quality then
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A bachelor's degree teaching at the college level?

Please explain to me how that's possible. She's a grad student / teaching assistant?

If this is wrong, what should we think about all the other nice sounding things you say in your post?
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True musculinity is about being courteous to women and giving them due respect and admiration for their individuality and freedom. Even dominant male Tigers fight to death or injury for their females around. They've got to have something.

You are just a fag, OP. Try appreciating a woman's freedom, individuality, courage and dominance...and see how quickly she submits to you for sex. That works for me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1494776


please go and visit your gay club,indie.you seem to be like very big mangina in making to me
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Being from India myself too, I can say that India hasn't reached the state of feminism that you are criticizing here. In fact, many women are slaughtered in the embryo itself in places like Haryana, Rajasthan, UP etc. The remaining others are treated as property and are stripped all basic rights and individuality of selecting their own mate. In such scenario, a real man should be courteous and sympathetic to women. In fact, even in western societies a real man should be respectful towards women as equals of men in society.

I repeat, even the Tigresses roam free and strong in the Indian jungles here. The male Tigers, who are the personification of true masculinity, are courteous towards here during mating season, protective of her, and respectful of her individuality. The male retreats when the female is around cubs respecting her rights. Thats true masculinity for you. You, on the other hand, isn't probably even sure of your own sexual orientation till now. You grew up on video games and cartoon network - and still continue to indulge in them. How do you expect a woman to respect you? Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1494776


you think India is different than usa? and you cite examples of rajasthan and haryana?
so let me introduce you to world of current generation since you seem to be far away from them.
i see and interact with them everyday.
Indian educated girls are no less sluts than american ones.
They usually have 4-5 boyfriends before marriage and their affairs continue even after marriage.
They are raised on sitcom culture from america and they are THE PRINCESS.They are even worst than american princess.
Ever visited police stations,courts? ever experienced how men are treated there?
i don't think so.
you just drank kool aid given by renuka choudhary and papal vassal sonia mano and accepted it without a question.
In what regard men and women are equal? can you show it?
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The problem is not with women.

The problem is with men who are growing up on video games, cartoons, junk food and homosexuality, and thereby collectively loosing their masculinity themselves.

Think about it.

PS - I am a man.
 Quoting: True Gentleman 1494776


ya always blame and shame men.so let me ask you:how courts ,police and media treat men who are productive,loving fathers? you will never give answer because feminist propaganda stops at men hate
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True musculinity is about being courteous to women and giving them due respect and admiration for their individuality and freedom. Even dominant male Tigers fight to death or injury for their females around. They've got to have something.

You are just a fag, OP. Try appreciating a woman's freedom, individuality, courage and dominance...and see how quickly she submits to you for sex. That works for me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1494776


please go and visit your gay club,indie.you seem to be like very big mangina in making to me
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16132341




Being from India myself too, I can say that India hasn't reached the state of feminism that you are criticizing here. In fact, many women are slaughtered in the embryo itself in places like Haryana, Rajasthan, UP etc. The remaining others are treated as property and are stripped all basic rights and individuality of selecting their own mate. In such scenario, a real man should be courteous and sympathetic to women. In fact, even in western societies a real man should be respectful towards women as equals of men in society.

I repeat, even the Tigresses roam free and strong in the Indian jungles here. The male Tigers, who are the personification of true masculinity, are courteous towards here during mating season, protective of her, and respectful of her individuality. The male retreats when the female is around cubs respecting her rights. Thats true masculinity for you. You, on the other hand, isn't probably even sure of your own sexual orientation till now. You grew up on video games and cartoon network - and still continue to indulge in them. How do you expect a woman to respect you? Think about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1494776


As you say, your women act differently from ours. So naturally, in that case it makes sense that men can and should act differently.

Why you think you should advise on a situation you've never experienced, I may not quite understand.
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they are no different
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Modernization makes men less important and women more so. I think there was an imbalance to the masculine favor throughout most of time, but now it has swung the other way here in the United States.

It used to be that men were the primary wage earners. Now they're not. The shift from labor driven industrial jobs to a more administratively service sector based economy favors female modes of organization more than male.

In such a case where a woman does not have to depend on a man, in more instances they choose simply not to do so. That's fine, but you end up with a superfluity of young men who aren't getting employed or picking up jobs which once existed.

It sounds fine until you consider that the most likely outcome of this is social disorder.

As far as what women want, it does seem to me that they crave stability and want money, but they don't want to meet halfway. I'm moderately successful, a college graduate, own my own house, and yet it still isn't enough for the women I've met who come from all backgrounds and classes.

It could just be my bad luck, but I think we live in a society now where women don't need men and they behave accordingly. Of course, that leads to men not giving a damn the other way either, and it makes me wonder how long the whole thing can last.

It seems perverse and unnatural.
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Methinks the man protesteth too much.
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Men have always been looking for excuses to not marry and make families, stay single and party forever. This is by no means new or unique to this generation, its thousands of years old. If you dont want to be a family man then please by all means, step aside and let the men who get along with women and love children father the next generation. If women were passive and uneducated, men would despise them for that. The circumstances and times and places change, but that there are men looking for reasons to happily treat women like shit and devalue them never do.
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so you mean to say men are at fault when they don;t marry current degraded women.lame excuse.nobody can be a family man now when every dice is loaded against male of the species.
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Modernization makes men less important and women more so. I think there was an imbalance to the masculine favor throughout most of time, but now it has swung the other way here in the United States.

It used to be that men were the primary wage earners. Now they're not. The shift from labor driven industrial jobs to a more administratively service sector based economy favors female modes of organization more than male.

In such a case where a woman does not have to depend on a man, in more instances they choose simply not to do so. That's fine, but you end up with a superfluity of young men who aren't getting employed or picking up jobs which once existed.

It sounds fine until you consider that the most likely outcome of this is social disorder.

As far as what women want, it does seem to me that they crave stability and want money, but they don't want to meet halfway. I'm moderately successful, a college graduate, own my own house, and yet it still isn't enough for the women I've met who come from all backgrounds and classes.

It could just be my bad luck, but I think we live in a society now where women don't need men and they behave accordingly. Of course, that leads to men not giving a damn the other way either, and it makes me wonder how long the whole thing can last.

It seems perverse and unnatural.
 Quoting: Double O Zero


actually both men and women worked( in lower strata of society).Only in middle and upper classes women didn't work.The stable foundation provided by family was required to produce next generation of well educated and adjusted individuals.Without family support,men wouldn't have achieved much.What is the use of all this fighting,work when there nobody to carry your family name forward?
marriage vows were never important in poor people.they are binding to those who have salaried job or inherited money or business.
modern women don't want stability like you said.All they want is instant gratification,lifetime alimony,a child,free house.
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Well,

I am a woman who still has good ovaries and has no kids;

does not intend to have kids in this messed up world

I work at home; own business; support myself and I am married to a wonderful man for 10 years.

We get along great and love each other very much... I respect and love him and he respects and loves me


If my husband were to get sick ; I would take care of him in his illness

this is what a marriage can do for a person ...

Marriage is healthy if two people are themselves healthy and mature individuals
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15411618

some 7 years back,i was travelling in night.I was waiting for a connecting bus on depot and had conversion with a old man there.The man talked only about his departed wife.how good she was n how lonely it gets in old age.but those type of marriages are almost extinct now
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16132341


Why?

They don't have to be...

I know of many who have these type of marriages

Yes. It does take work but

if it is meant to be ; then it is really quite easy to care and love each other...

My mother and father have been married for 66 years; this year in June will be there 67 th year of marriage.

My aunt and uncle have been married for 55 years.

There are nice women out there

yes, difficult to find but they do exist

ones who really want love and not materialism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15411618


Current Marriage laws are immoral and should be abolished. They take the assets from naive, selfless individuals to give them to smart, selfish people.

Individuals can have good, long, functional relationships without being "married".
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bravo.correctly spoken.
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women wanted independence and equality.they got it.

Last Edited by miserkocho on 05/16/2012 02:31 AM
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why some dont get married?
I know why
Thy system favors the woman
You get a divorce; the woman gets most of the stuff
So men now are like HA, dont think so

Iv heard most dont get married these days
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women wanted independence and equality.they got it.
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no.they got supremacy in jobs,media,judiciary and law enforcement.this is not equality.
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why some dont get married?
I know why
Thy system favors the woman
You get a divorce; the woman gets most of the stuff
So men now are like HA, dont think so

Iv heard most dont get married these days
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from age 22-30s.young men don't get married because they don't want to be slaves to courts and cops
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why some dont get married?
I know why
Thy system favors the woman
You get a divorce; the woman gets most of the stuff
So men now are like HA, dont think so

Iv heard most dont get married these days
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then on top of that; if you pop out 10 kids, then the child support on top of the other stuff.
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if women want kids, goto a sperm donor bank
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Its amazing, how all these women become sluts by themselves. Everytime a man and woman sleep together, that man just showed his loose morals too. Think about it. Two go in to sleep together, only one gets blamed. Its this hypocrisy that makes mens cries of slut invalid.

Men... are... behaving as bad or worse than women, right now, you only notice the women screwing you over because you are not dating the men. And be glad, the men are awful. Princesses? The Gods gift Kings with no responsibility are not so easy to deal with either, and they are the majority now.
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Its amazing, how all these women become sluts by themselves. Everytime a man and woman sleep together, that man just showed his loose morals too. Think about it. Two go in to sleep together, only one gets blamed. Its this hypocrisy that makes mens cries of slut invalid.

Men... are... behaving as bad or worse than women, right now, you only notice the women screwing you over because you are not dating the men. And be glad, the men are awful. Princesses? The Gods gift Kings with no responsibility are not so easy to deal with either, and they are the majority now.
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don't blame young men.they are products of feminist society.whatever society,century you may go,a women who have sex with multiple men will always be called slut.why? because pussy degrades with use,just like car.no way you can ignore it.used car is used car....
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Gathering apples off the ground is easy but not real tasty. It's the ones that you have to reach high for however, that are the sweatiest. The higher up the sweeter.

But like attracts like so you may need to fix yourself before you go trying to fix others. And if you do not fix yourself you will always, always, attract the same types of women into your life.

Today women are, for the most part, independent financially or could be, the opportunity is there. But they still want and desire love no matter if they are sluts or not. We all want love, men and women.

It’s been my experience in relationships that no matter who I’ve dated I’ve never let them make me less of a man. If they try too hard or for too long to un-manhood me I bail. I do not want to dominate a woman but I know what a man is supposed to be and I won’t veer off. And I damn sure don’t want to be dominated.

Be a man, a real man and find a “real” woman. They are out there but you have to reach for them. And no doubt the good women out there are just as frustrated as you are with the men they see around them.

A lot of young men today are either still acting like boys or they have become feminized. That’s a turn off with good women. Actually it is probably a turn off to most women unless they have some issues.

Women are not objects they are people and there are bad people or people with issues, both male and female. This is nothing new. It’s been that way since the dawn of mankind.

In order to find a “good” woman you have to become a “good” man.

It all starts with you.

And having “game” will get you the sluts but a “good” woman will see you as you are, a slut.

Instead of blaming women look at yourself, no look at yourself. What do you have to offer? I am not talking about money. Those “gold diggers” are easy to spot. Sluts are too. What is harder to find are the good women but they are rare in a bar/club. In fact trying to find a relationship in a bar/club just proves like attracts like. Again, look at yourself.

That doesn’t mean good women are not fun, they are. And there is NOTHING like a good woman. No they are not perfect but have a few relationships with some women that have issues, which sounds like you have already, and you will appreciate a good woman if you ever man up and find her.

If you want to be king you have to treat her like a queen. But most importantly you have to be a man.

We all go through stages in our life and trust me it gets easier the older you get. Not that women will magically hit an age to where they are automatically changed for the better but that you change. You will gradually not put up with the sluts or the women with issues. And the slut in her 20’s may turn into the perfect wife for someone when she is in her 30’s. That’s life and nothing new.

Has nothing to do with latch key kids or whatever growing up. Stop the blame game and become a man. Take responsibility for who you let in your life and who you are.

In fact there is nothing new about anything you said. By nature women have always strived for resources and men strived for looks. It’s embedded in our DNA and is probably the main reason humans are still on Earth. Get past this and let it go.

So try to dig a little deeper into a woman’s personality before you pass judgment if she is a good woman or not, get to know her. This will become clearer the older you get. Because the older you get the less important it will be what your friends think, or anyone else for that matter, about who you are in a relationship with. And the older you get the less sex for just the sake of sex will become less appealing. Unless, of course, you haven’t grown up and are still a boy. A man, a real man knows what I am talking about here.

And take my advice (or not), get out of that women hating club you are in. You have a brain use it. You do not need anyone else to tell you how to be a whiny man and most women are bad. Don’t buy any of that crap.

Oh one more “practical joke” played on mankind. You have no choice on who you are attracted to or fall in love with. You either are or you are not. You cannot make yourself be attracted to someone or make yourself fall in love with someone. And yes, women have to face the same rules in regards to this.

In fact the only thing in relationships you do have control over is you. You want a good woman then become a good “man”. Like attracts like.

It all starts with you.

And as far as your friends go that didnt get to see their dad much if at all, they need to stop blamming too. Yes they should have had a positive male role model growing up. But life is tough sometimes and hardly ever fair. And I've seen a lot of marriages end and nasty fights over the kids.

In my opinion both the woman and the man are to blame in almost every case. But I've also seen couples divorce and work to make it as best they can for the kids. It all depends on how selfish they are.

Good luck.

BTW: I am 50, male.
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I got custody of my kids from my first marriage, she didnt pay child support for over 12 years.... nothing happened
Now why if it would have been reversed and I didnt pay child support? I would have been forced to pay
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Its not really a feminist society, and thats the irony. Society is set up to satiate all mens needs and entertainment at the expense of women. Women can work and live their own lives if they so choose, but that doesnt make it particularity interesting. What is really interesting is how femininity has been erased, and all thats left is teenage male behavior. Its a total male playground now. Sit around on your butt and dont make yourself into a man and then blame women for it. How awesome!
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Its not really a feminist society, and thats the irony. Society is set up to satiate all mens needs and entertainment at the expense of women. Women can work and live their own lives if they so choose, but that doesnt make it particularity interesting. What is really interesting is how femininity has been erased, and all thats left is teenage male behavior. Its a total male playground now. Sit around on your butt and dont make yourself into a man and then blame women for it. How awesome!
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you mean to say dv laws,divorce laws don't exist.you mean to say women are not favored in family courts.you mean to say males are never insulted ,shown in poor lights in media.you mean to say males are never degraded in courts.
you mean to say men made these laws to punish themselves.pathetic response.
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I got custody of my kids from my first marriage, she didnt pay child support for over 12 years.... nothing happened
Now why if it would have been reversed and I didnt pay child support? I would have been forced to pay
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you could have spent total 120 yrs in jail for that...if not less
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I got custody of my kids from my first marriage, she didnt pay child support for over 12 years.... nothing happened
Now why if it would have been reversed and I didnt pay child support? I would have been forced to pay
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you could have spent total 120 yrs in jail for that...if not less
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point is, if men screw up you gotta pay
If women screw up , its over looked most of the time
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women wanted independence and equality.they got it.
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no.they got supremacy in jobs,media,judiciary and law enforcement.this is not equality.
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no,just another tool men use to turn other men into slaves.its the result of indoctrination and a flawed concept of self and union which serves to isolate and divide.
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05/16/2012 02:57 AM
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Re: why young men never want to marry ? read this
Its not really a feminist society, and thats the irony. Society is set up to satiate all mens needs and entertainment at the expense of women. Women can work and live their own lives if they so choose, but that doesnt make it particularity interesting. What is really interesting is how femininity has been erased, and all thats left is teenage male behavior. Its a total male playground now. Sit around on your butt and dont make yourself into a man and then blame women for it. How awesome!
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Its really a feminist society, and thats the irony. Society is set up to satiate all women's needs and entertainment at the expense of working men. Men can work and live their own lives if they so choose, but that doesnt make it particularity interesting. What is really interesting is how MASCULINITY has been erased, and all thats left is teenage whore behavior. Its a total female playground now. Sit around on your butt and dont make yourself into a woman and then blame men for it. How awesome!
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05/16/2012 02:58 AM
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Re: why young men never want to marry ? read this
women wanted independence and equality.they got it.
 Quoting: miserkocho


no.they got supremacy in jobs,media,judiciary and law enforcement.this is not equality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16132341


no,just another tool men use to turn other men into slaves.its the result of indoctrination and a flawed concept of self and union which serves to isolate and divide.
 Quoting: miserkocho


true