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I said it appears to be in front of the clouds at some point, but that it is clearly shown behind the clouds earlier.
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It is in front of the clouds, you assumed it was behind earlier in the video, but from the point that the sun has fully emerged onwards it's indisputable that it's in front of the clouds, not behind them. It's easy to see why you thought it went behind the clouds; the clouds were saturating the pixels, thus they drowned out the filter flare, but once the sun emerged and stopped backlighting the cloud, the filter flare is seen to be in front of the clouds, not behind them. 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
 Quoting: Astromut


No, it was clearly seen behind the clouds, and it was while both the sun and object were behind the clouds. They were both behind the clouds, and the object can still be seen BEHIND the clouds.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


Again, you just make claims but you provide no proof. It's just your unsupported opinion. I provided detailed proof of why I know it's in front of the clouds, not behind them.
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Unsupported opinion?

HA! I've shown, and many have agreed, that the object does go behind the clouds, thus, negating your "proof".

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

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As I said, this wasn't intended to be a callout thread, I honestly wanted an intellectual discussion, however, that doesn't seem possible with Astromut.
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Excuse me? I've been nothing but patient with you, even after you started insulting me and calling me a shill. If you wanted an intellectual discussion you wouldn't be treating me the way you are. People who want to have intellectual discussions back up their claims with proof and don't resort to personal insults and attacks.
 Quoting: Astromut


So, how would you respond to ignorance?

The object clearly goes behind the clouds!
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


you personally see it behind the clouds.

but it doesnt CLEARLY go behind the clouds
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As I said, this wasn't intended to be a callout thread, I honestly wanted an intellectual discussion, however, that doesn't seem possible with Astromut.
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Excuse me? I've been nothing but patient with you, even after you started insulting me and calling me a shill. If you wanted an intellectual discussion you wouldn't be treating me the way you are. People who want to have intellectual discussions back up their claims with proof and don't resort to personal insults and attacks.
 Quoting: Astromut


So, how would you respond to ignorance?

The object clearly goes behind the clouds!
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


you personally see it behind the clouds.

but it doesnt CLEARLY go behind the clouds
 Quoting: ReturnoftheOyster


I see Astromut isn't the only one wearing glasses.

It does. I will NOT be convinced otherwise. Not because I believe in Nibiru, I have stated that I'm not certain on this topic. However, the video does clearly show it behind the clouds. Yes, clearly. As in, the object can be made out from BEHIND the clouds, slightly obscured, as if there were CLOUDS in front of it.

How hard of a concept is it, really?

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It is behind the cloud.
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It is behind the cloud.
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It is behind the cloud.

It is.

Simply fact.

For those of you who can't grasp, move along with your sheepled lives.
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It is in front of the clouds, you assumed it was behind earlier in the video, but from the point that the sun has fully emerged onwards it's indisputable that it's in front of the clouds, not behind them. It's easy to see why you thought it went behind the clouds; the clouds were saturating the pixels, thus they drowned out the filter flare, but once the sun emerged and stopped backlighting the cloud, the filter flare is seen to be in front of the clouds, not behind them. 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
 Quoting: Astromut


No, it was clearly seen behind the clouds, and it was while both the sun and object were behind the clouds. They were both behind the clouds, and the object can still be seen BEHIND the clouds.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


Again, you just make claims but you provide no proof. It's just your unsupported opinion. I provided detailed proof of why I know it's in front of the clouds, not behind them.
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Unsupported opinion?

HA! I've shown, and many have agreed, that the object does go behind the clouds, thus, negating your "proof".
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

Personal unsupported opinion does nothing to "negate my proof." 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
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It is behind the cloud.
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It is behind the cloud.

It is.

Simply fact.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

Again, unsupported claims are not facts. You have done nothing to prove your claim or support your opinion.
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Wow, I see they couldn't limit themselves to insulting me to my face, they had to do it on a separate thread as well. Thanks for supporting me.
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Wow, I see they couldn't limit themselves to insulting me to my face, they had to do it on a separate thread as well. Thanks for supporting me.
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somebody has to right? lol


hopefully this time around though people wont claim we are the same person (MrOysterhead)
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Op....what is your opinion on this nibiru being under intelligent control potentially ? This is uuwhat i believe
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Well, I'm not exactly convinced of such a theory. However, I'm not one to discount anything until proven otherwise.
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There was as of recent a object, planet sized object found behind neptune by amateur astronomer...i will find the link and post. Which in my eyes cldnt just stop behind it like it did. Nt poss. I will find the link n post ina few
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Wow, I see they couldn't limit themselves to insulting me to my face, they had to do it on a separate thread as well. Thanks for supporting me.
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Nobody was "insulting" you. You have insulted yourself by showing ignorance.

Again, it was behind the cloud at one point, thus, it was NOT an artifact, flare or otherwise.

Talk about thick-headed.
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No, it was clearly seen behind the clouds, and it was while both the sun and object were behind the clouds. They were both behind the clouds, and the object can still be seen BEHIND the clouds.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


Again, you just make claims but you provide no proof. It's just your unsupported opinion. I provided detailed proof of why I know it's in front of the clouds, not behind them.
 Quoting: Astromut


Unsupported opinion?

HA! I've shown, and many have agreed, that the object does go behind the clouds, thus, negating your "proof".
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

Personal unsupported opinion does nothing to "negate my proof." 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
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You don't have any proof. Yours is an opinion just like ours, so stop putting yourself on a pedestal.
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Dont quote me on that. May not have been neptune.
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Op....what is your opinion on this nibiru being under intelligent control potentially ? This is uuwhat i believe
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Well, I'm not exactly convinced of such a theory. However, I'm not one to discount anything until proven otherwise.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


There was as of recent a object, planet sized object found behind neptune by amateur astronomer...i will find the link and post. Which in my eyes cldnt just stop behind it like it did.
 Quoting: kcdub0184

No, you're confused. I knew, I knew, I knew the stupid title of that article would confuse the hell out of people. They didn't find anything, and it wasn't even an amateur astronomer. A professional astronomer produced a model which explained the eccentricity of some Kuiper belt objects by assuming that there was a planetary object ranging from the size of mars to the size of neptune or so orbiting between the Oort cloud and the Kuiper belt. They didn't "discover" anything, nor did they suggest it was hiding behind Neptune. The media's title for the article was sensationalism. In fact, they specifically said that if such a planet exists it could be anywhere in the sky between the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt.
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Dont quote me on that. May not have been neptune.
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It was.
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Again, you just make claims but you provide no proof. It's just your unsupported opinion. I provided detailed proof of why I know it's in front of the clouds, not behind them.
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Unsupported opinion?

HA! I've shown, and many have agreed, that the object does go behind the clouds, thus, negating your "proof".
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

Personal unsupported opinion does nothing to "negate my proof." 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
 Quoting: Astromut


You don't have any proof.
 Quoting: libertarian83

Yes, I do. 1:24-1:33, the filter flare shows a hard edge, does not illuminate the cloud, and its brightness is not diffused by the cloud at all. It's super-imposed on top of the cloud. That is mutually exclusive with the claim that it was behind the clouds rather than in front of them.
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Op....what is your opinion on this nibiru being under intelligent control potentially ? This is uuwhat i believe
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Well, I'm not exactly convinced of such a theory. However, I'm not one to discount anything until proven otherwise.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


There was as of recent a object, planet sized object found behind neptune by amateur astronomer...i will find the link and post. Which in my eyes cldnt just stop behind it like it did.
 Quoting: kcdub0184

No, you're confused. I knew, I knew, I knew the stupid title of that article would confuse the hell out of people. They didn't find anything, and it wasn't even an amateur astronomer. A professional astronomer produced a model which explained the eccentricity of some Kuiper belt objects by assuming that there was a planetary object ranging from the size of mars to the size of neptune or so orbiting between the Oort cloud and the Kuiper belt. They didn't "discover" anything, nor did they suggest it was hiding behind Neptune. The media's title for the article was sensationalism. In fact, they specifically said that if such a planet exists it could be anywhere in the sky between the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt.
 Quoting: Astromut


[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

the question mark at the end of the title of the article is key
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Op....what is your opinion on this nibiru being under intelligent control potentially ? This is uuwhat i believe
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Well, I'm not exactly convinced of such a theory. However, I'm not one to discount anything until proven otherwise.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


There was as of recent a object, planet sized object found behind neptune by amateur astronomer...i will find the link and post. Which in my eyes cldnt just stop behind it like it did.
 Quoting: kcdub0184

No, you're confused. I knew, I knew, I knew the stupid title of that article would confuse the hell out of people. They didn't find anything, and it wasn't even an amateur astronomer. A professional astronomer produced a model which explained the eccentricity of some Kuiper belt objects by assuming that there was a planetary object ranging from the size of mars to the size of neptune or so orbiting between the Oort cloud and the Kuiper belt. They didn't "discover" anything, nor did they suggest it was hiding behind Neptune. The media's title for the article was sensationalism. In fact, they specifically said that if such a planet exists it could be anywhere in the sky between the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt.
 Quoting: Astromut


Agreed, on this subject.

That story was a bunch of hype, not even worthy of a read.
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Wow, I see they couldn't limit themselves to insulting me to my face, they had to do it on a separate thread as well. Thanks for supporting me.
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Nobody was "insulting" you.
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Talk about thick-headed.
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With that said, you're clearly an idiot, or a shill.
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You will NOT be receiving an apology this time Astroshill, for you have shown what you're worth, not a fucking dime.
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I've said it before on here...I saw this in person, swinting through my eye lashes.. I thought the sun looked funny, so I squinted my eyes and saw the same exzact thing..EXZACTLY the same thing.
Told my friend to do the same thing(without telling why) I asked what she saw, she said there were 2 suns, a baby one and the big one.WTF?
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Wow, I see they couldn't limit themselves to insulting me to my face, they had to do it on a separate thread as well. Thanks for supporting me.
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Nobody was "insulting" you.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

Talk about thick-headed.
 Quoting: Solar

With that said, you're clearly an idiot, or a shill.
 Quoting: solar

You will NOT be receiving an apology this time Astroshill, for you have shown what you're worth, not a fucking dime.
 Quoting: solar

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Oh, please do forgive me for responding to your ignorance with anger and frustration.

I don't like being called a liar, and I know what I see. I see an object, that appears to be physically present, appear behind the clouds.

You claim it isn't so, and I don't like being called a liar.

You're ignorance on this debate is just as insulting, keep that in mind.
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OP, why in your second post of this thread do you politely ask for Astro's opinion only to call him a shill for disagreeing with you?
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Again, it was behind the cloud at one point, thus, it was NOT an artifact, flare or otherwise.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3

At 1:24-1:33 it is clear that it is actually in front of the cloud. Now if you claim it was "behind the cloud" earlier but "in front of the cloud" at 1:24-1:33 then you are effectively claiming it is in the atmosphere, at a lower altitude than the cloud; the cloud and the flare occupy the same position in the image at 1:24-1:33, so in order for the flare to be in front of the cloud then but behind the cloud before then, it would have to be lower than the cloud. Thus, by your claim, this "object" is not only not "still far off," but it's right here in our atmosphere.

The absurdity of this should go without saying, but the video clearly shows it's in front of the cloud; it is not illuminating the cloud, it is not diffused by the cloud, indeed it shows a sharp edge. It's not behind the cloud, it never was, you just assumed that it was.
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I don't like being called a liar, and I know what I see.
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I didn't call you anything, I simply stated the facts.
You're ignorance on this debate is just as insulting, keep that in mind.
 Quoting: solar

I'm not being ignorant, nor am I being insulting. In fact, I'm being very patient with you. You claimed no one insulted me, I simply put your own words before you.
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I don't like being called a liar, and I know what I see.
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I didn't call you anything, I simply stated the facts.
You're ignorance on this debate is just as insulting, keep that in mind.
 Quoting: solar

I'm not being ignorant, nor am I being insulting. In fact, I'm being very patient with you. You claimed no one insulted me, I simply put your own words before you.
 Quoting: Astromut


Ignorance is met with ignorant responses.

My apologies.
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I don't like being called a liar, and I know what I see.
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I didn't call you anything, I simply stated the facts.
You're ignorance on this debate is just as insulting, keep that in mind.
 Quoting: solar

I'm not being ignorant, nor am I being insulting. In fact, I'm being very patient with you. You claimed no one insulted me, I simply put your own words before you.
 Quoting: Astromut


Ignorance is met with ignorant responses.

My apologies.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


Again, I'm not being ignorant, and your responses to me are not merely ignorant themselves. They are simply untrue. Now if you say I'm calling you a liar, those are your words, not mine. I think it speaks volumes though, indeed it's possible that you feel guilt over the way you've acted and I can't say I'd blame you, but I guess you're too heavily invested in it now to back up and actually retract your insults.
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I don't like being called a liar, and I know what I see.
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I didn't call you anything, I simply stated the facts.
You're ignorance on this debate is just as insulting, keep that in mind.
 Quoting: solar

I'm not being ignorant, nor am I being insulting. In fact, I'm being very patient with you. You claimed no one insulted me, I simply put your own words before you.
 Quoting: Astromut


Ignorance is met with ignorant responses.

My apologies.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


Again, I'm not being ignorant, and your responses to me are not merely ignorant themselves. They are simply untrue. Now if you say I'm calling you a liar, those are your words, not mine. I think it speaks volumes though, indeed it's possible that you feel guilt over the way you've acted and I can't say I'd blame you, but I guess you're too heavily invested in it now to back up and actually retract your insults.
 Quoting: Astromut


Well, I do apologize if I came off as harsh, who isn't in frustration?

However, I truly believe the object went behind the clouds and it is a physical object, not a flare.

If I'm wrong, then whatever, I'm wrong. We all survive and go on to live another day.

If you're wrong, well then, may the universe help us all.

With that, I thank you for the interesting debate.

Good day.
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I understand Astromut has a thankless job shilling on this topic. One only has to look up at the sky each night to see things aren't right, yet he has to toil here daily and babble away in direct conflict with it all.

He is confused and I feel such sorrow for him. It's never too late to turn.

I'm going now. Goodnight all.
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I understand Astromut has a thankless job shilling on this topic. One only has to look up at the sky each night to see things aren't right, yet he has to toil here daily and babble away in direct conflict with it all.

He is confused and I feel such sorrow for him. It's never too late to turn.

I'm going now. Goodnight all.
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you dont know much about Astro apparently
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Op....what is your opinion on this nibiru being under intelligent control potentially ? This is uuwhat i believe
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Well, I'm not exactly convinced of such a theory. However, I'm not one to discount anything until proven otherwise.
 Quoting: S0L4RN1GHTM4R3


There was as of recent a object, planet sized object found behind neptune by amateur astronomer...i will find the link and post. Which in my eyes cldnt just stop behind it like it did.
 Quoting: kcdub0184

No, you're confused. I knew, I knew, I knew the stupid title of that article would confuse the hell out of people. They didn't find anything, and it wasn't even an amateur astronomer. A professional astronomer produced a model which explained the eccentricity of some Kuiper belt objects by assuming that there was a planetary object ranging from the size of mars to the size of neptune or so orbiting between the Oort cloud and the Kuiper belt. They didn't "discover" anything, nor did they suggest it was hiding behind Neptune. The media's title for the article was sensationalism. In fact, they specifically said that if such a planet exists it could be anywhere in the sky between the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt.
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No ur confused, we are tlkn about two different things gd sir.
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