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Really getting tired of people posting videos of antarctica claiming that the moon is Nibiru/brown dwarf/"twin solar system" whatever you want to call it. There's no part of the sky that is only visible from antarctica, you can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. And indeed, if you see something near the horizon like the moon, then it's visible to people in the northern hemisphere as well. When the moon's over-exposed like that you can't tell what the phase is, it just looks like a big white ball, but it's still just the moon.
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Really getting tired of your shilling.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Right, because "shills" bring you live video of newly discovered asteroids and help set up telescopes that you can control over the internet yourself...
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Really getting tired of your shilling.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Right, because "shills" bring you live video of newly discovered asteroids and help set up telescopes that you can control over the internet yourself...
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That is only to give you authenticity, that you are the authority on matters of space. You aren't.

Your manner when interacting with others and your record for purposefully derailing threads on these boards hardly demonstates you do things for the benefit of others.
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Really getting tired of people posting videos of antarctica claiming that the moon is Nibiru/brown dwarf/"twin solar system" whatever you want to call it. There's no part of the sky that is only visible from antarctica, you can see the entire southern celestial sphere from anywhere in the southern hemisphere. And indeed, if you see something near the horizon like the moon, then it's visible to people in the northern hemisphere as well. When the moon's over-exposed like that you can't tell what the phase is, it just looks like a big white ball, but it's still just the moon.
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Really getting tired of your shilling.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Calling someone a "shill" for providing the truth is a bit childish eh?
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Really getting tired of your shilling.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Calling someone a "shill" for providing the truth is a bit childish eh?
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Funny how you always show up to rush to his defence.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Calling someone a "shill" for providing the truth is a bit childish eh?
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Funny how you always show up to rush to his defence.
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Just defending a fellow truther.
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It's not "shilling," it's the truth.
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shill
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Right, because "shills" bring you live video of newly discovered asteroids and help set up telescopes that you can control over the internet yourself...
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That is only to give you authenticity, that you are the authority on matters of space. You aren't.

Your manner when interacting with others and your record for purposefully derailing threads on these boards hardly demonstates you do things for the benefit of others.
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hahaha flashback to Zoolander ...well ive got news for you....(hansel laughs with friends)...you aren't
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shill
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Calling someone a "shill" for providing the truth is a bit childish eh?
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Funny how you always show up to rush to his defence.
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Just defending a fellow truther.
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Truth is not dictated or imposed upon others. Some 'defender' of truth.
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Calling someone a "shill" for providing the truth is a bit childish eh?
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Funny how you always show up to rush to his defence.
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Just defending a fellow truther.
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Truth is not dictated or imposed upon others. Some 'defender' of truth.
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Well provide proof that Nibiru is real then....Exactly
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Funny how you always show up to rush to his defence.
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Just defending a fellow truther.
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Truth is not dictated or imposed upon others. Some 'defender' of truth.
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Well provide proof that Nibiru is real then....Exactly
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Can you provide proof that it doesn't? You both spend an awful lot of time, as a team, disparaging something that 'doesn't exist'.
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Just defending a fellow truther.
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Truth is not dictated or imposed upon others. Some 'defender' of truth.
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Well provide proof that Nibiru is real then....Exactly
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Can you provide proof that it doesn't? You both spend an awful lot of time, as a team, disparaging something that 'doesn't exist'.
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Common sense is my proof. if a planet was supposed to be coming this year or next year, would of already been picked up from amateur astronomers like me and the rest of the world. I dedicate this wonderful song to you:

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JESUS
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the false christ comes first...

course he will be disguised as "the light"

think abundant hope

just don't have it when you do

tribulation begins...
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Truth is not dictated or imposed upon others. Some 'defender' of truth.
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Well provide proof that Nibiru is real then....Exactly
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Can you provide proof that it doesn't? You both spend an awful lot of time, as a team, disparaging something that 'doesn't exist'.
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Common sense is my proof. if a planet was supposed to be coming this year or next year, would of already been picked up from amateur astronomers like me and the rest of the world. I dedicate this wonderful song to you:

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You deny something you cannot prove. Common sense would be to apply an open mind.

Did I say anything about a planet coming this year or next?
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Well provide proof that Nibiru is real then....Exactly
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Can you provide proof that it doesn't? You both spend an awful lot of time, as a team, disparaging something that 'doesn't exist'.
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Common sense is my proof. if a planet was supposed to be coming this year or next year, would of already been picked up from amateur astronomers like me and the rest of the world. I dedicate this wonderful song to you:

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You deny something you cannot prove. Common sense would be to apply an open mind.

Did I say anything about a planet coming this year or next?
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Only an idiot believes in a Nibiru or Planet X. I'm concerned with what humanity is going to get into in the near future.
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Can you provide proof that it doesn't? You both spend an awful lot of time, as a team, disparaging something that 'doesn't exist'.
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Common sense is my proof. if a planet was supposed to be coming this year or next year, would of already been picked up from amateur astronomers like me and the rest of the world. I dedicate this wonderful song to you:
 Quoting: ++MarketSellOff++


You deny something you cannot prove. Common sense would be to apply an open mind.

Did I say anything about a planet coming this year or next?
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Only an idiot believes in a Nibiru or Planet X. I'm concerned with what humanity is going to get into in the near future.
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Maybe so, but surely if it cannot yet be proved either way you would concede it is possible. Yes?

I mean only an idiot would say something they cannot prove therefore does not exist. Right?
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Common sense is my proof. if a planet was supposed to be coming this year or next year, would of already been picked up from amateur astronomers like me and the rest of the world. I dedicate this wonderful song to you:
 Quoting: ++MarketSellOff++


You deny something you cannot prove. Common sense would be to apply an open mind.

Did I say anything about a planet coming this year or next?
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Only an idiot believes in a Nibiru or Planet X. I'm concerned with what humanity is going to get into in the near future.
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Maybe so, but surely if it cannot yet be proved either way you would concede it is possible. Yes?

I mean only an idiot would say something they cannot prove therefore does not exist. Right?
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NASA says there is no Nibiru. That's the only proof I need.I believe NASA than some of the Nibirutards here.
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You deny something you cannot prove. Common sense would be to apply an open mind.

Did I say anything about a planet coming this year or next?
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Only an idiot believes in a Nibiru or Planet X. I'm concerned with what humanity is going to get into in the near future.
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Maybe so, but surely if it cannot yet be proved either way you would concede it is possible. Yes?

I mean only an idiot would say something they cannot prove therefore does not exist. Right?
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NASA says there is no Nibiru. That's the only proof I need.I believe NASA than some of the Nibirutards here.
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NASA is not proof, as you well know they don't disclose everything. I thought you were using common sense? Let's say hypothetically that it does exist but NASA hasn't discovered it yet. Do you not even then concede it a possibility?
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Only an idiot believes in a Nibiru or Planet X. I'm concerned with what humanity is going to get into in the near future.
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Maybe so, but surely if it cannot yet be proved either way you would concede it is possible. Yes?

I mean only an idiot would say something they cannot prove therefore does not exist. Right?
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NASA says there is no Nibiru. That's the only proof I need.I believe NASA than some of the Nibirutards here.
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NASA is not proof, as you well know they don't disclose everything. I thought you were using common sense? Let's say hypothetically that it does exist but NASA hasn't discovered it yet. Do you not even then concede it a possibility?
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Nope. They would of already known of it if it actually existed.
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I'm going to bed. I can't keep doing this :dubya:
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Maybe so, but surely if it cannot yet be proved either way you would concede it is possible. Yes?

I mean only an idiot would say something they cannot prove therefore does not exist. Right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7900385


NASA says there is no Nibiru. That's the only proof I need.I believe NASA than some of the Nibirutards here.
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NASA is not proof, as you well know they don't disclose everything. I thought you were using common sense? Let's say hypothetically that it does exist but NASA hasn't discovered it yet. Do you not even then concede it a possibility?
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Nope. They would of already known of it if it actually existed.
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Wow. Are you now claiming NASA have discovered the entire universe!? Applying common sense 'eh. You have just discredited everything you have ever said about space.

If it cannot be proven then it is possible. Impossible to argue or discredit that statement.
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I'm going to bed. I can't keep doing this :dubya:
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This, ladies and gentleman is how to wipe the floor with a shill.
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I'm going to bed. I can't keep doing this :dubya:
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This, ladies and gentleman is how to wipe the floor with a shill.
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Dumbass. I have to wake up in 4 hours.
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What happens in these weeks and months ahead, most humans can barely comprehend.
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WHAT do you know. Quit with the mystery. Just spit it out.
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I'm going to bed. I can't keep doing this :dubya:
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This, ladies and gentleman is how to wipe the floor with a shill.
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Dumbass. I have to wake up in 4 hours.
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16 Minutes have passed since I last posted. I thought you were going to bed??

Go rest up your beaten ass.
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If NASA knows so much how come they still launching new satellites? How come they just discovered all these new cold stars via the wise telescope?

Astromut says he's not worried about a Nibiru...His concern is about what's in store for mans future, I agree with him.

I think he's referring to space threats and the asteroid headed this way in 40 years. His concern is what preparations will we be making...I'm thinking that's exactly where we're headed...We'll get some warning about a space threat and the world will supposedly unite in an effort to save our asses. This will be the next big thing. Its actually a good thing as this will somewhat concentrate mans efforts in some semblance of focus as opposed to our existence today where many of us are just looking forward to the latest video game or IPhone or some dumb shit. As far as 2012 is concerned we'll just have to wait till the end and see if these ancients knew what they were talking about, if nothing happens then good, it's serendipity for everyone!!

Meanwhile we have to see in what capacity this new space threat will be, I imagine that Astromut will just about freak the fuck out if it's an alien agenda where they'll say we're going to be invaded and must therefore implement space weapons...There is a CT out there about this...

This is a MAJOR CT forum, so much so that any real mainstream scientist would not give this place a second look due to the effect it would have on the reputation should it ever be discovered.

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If NASA knows so much how come they still launching new satellites? How come they just discovered all these new cold stars via the wise telescope?
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Having knowledge does not preclude gathering more knowledge. We found some brown dwarf stars, but we found fewer than we expected, therefore we learned something new about the universe.

Astromut says he's not worried about a Nibiru...His concern is about what's in store for mans future, I agree with him.

I think he's referring to space threats and the asteroid headed this way in 40 years.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to that you say I'm referring to.
This is a MAJOR CT forum, so much so that any real mainstream scientist would not give this place a second look
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No true Scotsman fallacy.
due to the effect it would have on the reputation should it ever be discovered.
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I'm going to bed. I can't keep doing this :dubya:
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This, ladies and gentleman is how to wipe the floor with a shill.
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Dumbass. I have to wake up in 4 hours.
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16 Minutes have passed since I last posted. I thought you were going to bed??

Go rest up your beaten ass.
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Your the biggest retard I know
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If NASA knows so much how come they still launching new satellites? How come they just discovered all these new cold stars via the wise telescope?
 Quoting: Chucky Sagan

Having knowledge does not preclude gathering more knowledge. We found some brown dwarf stars, but we found fewer than we expected, therefore we learned something new about the universe.

Astromut says he's not worried about a Nibiru...His concern is about what's in store for mans future, I agree with him.

I think he's referring to space threats and the asteroid headed this way in 40 years.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to that you say I'm referring to.
This is a MAJOR CT forum, so much so that any real mainstream scientist would not give this place a second look
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No true Scotsman fallacy.
due to the effect it would have on the reputation should it ever be discovered.
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Of course, we learn something new everyday, something new means something you don't know about today..Todays stupidity can become tomorrows worries.

When I post about your concerns I refer to the video you posted about an asteroid headed this way for 2040.

Do you disagree that this a CT forum?? It's in the title!!

I'm not talking about pseudo scientist, I'm referring to guys that don't even know this place exist and if they did wouldn't give it a second thought, they just don't care for games like the ones played here with shills and debunkers and a million ugly ass CT's that come up with the craziest shit on the planet.

That's all I'm saying...Should I go back and look for the vid you posted about this asteroid for 2040??
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If NASA knows so much how come they still launching new satellites? How come they just discovered all these new cold stars via the wise telescope?
 Quoting: Chucky Sagan

Having knowledge does not preclude gathering more knowledge. We found some brown dwarf stars, but we found fewer than we expected, therefore we learned something new about the universe.

Astromut says he's not worried about a Nibiru...His concern is about what's in store for mans future, I agree with him.

I think he's referring to space threats and the asteroid headed this way in 40 years.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to that you say I'm referring to.
This is a MAJOR CT forum, so much so that any real mainstream scientist would not give this place a second look
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No true Scotsman fallacy.
due to the effect it would have on the reputation should it ever be discovered.
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Of course, we learn something new everyday, something new means something you don't know about today..Todays stupidity can become tomorrows worries.
 Quoting: Chucky Sagan

LOL, tomorrow's worries.
When I post about your concerns I refer to the video you posted about an asteroid headed this way for 2040.
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It may or may not be headed this way, we really don't know if it will hit us or miss us by a lot. The point was to show what an actual threat looks like and to show how we determine that.
Do you disagree that this a CT forum?? It's in the title!!
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It's many different things to many different people.
I'm not talking about pseudo scientist,
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Neither am I.
I'm referring to guys that don't even know this place exist and if they did wouldn't give it a second thought,
 Quoting: Chuck

Again, you're playing a no true scotsman fallacy. A textbook example of it, in fact. Your logic is fallacious, it holds no water. Just because someone posts here does not automatically disqualify them from being a mainstream scientist or make them a "pseudo scientist." I happen to be a mainstream scientist myself.
they just don't care for games like the ones played here with shills and debunkers and a million ugly ass CT's that come up with the craziest shit on the planet.
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And once again you can't make sweeping generalizations like that.
That's all I'm saying...Should I go back and look for the vid you posted about this asteroid for 2040??
 Quoting: Chuck

This one?
Thread: Here's what a real cosmic threat looks like
I'm not super concerned about it, but I find it a good educational opportunity and a chance to start thinking and planning about how best to deflect asteroids when there is plenty of lead time.
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If NASA knows so much how come they still launching new satellites? How come they just discovered all these new cold stars via the wise telescope?
 Quoting: Chucky Sagan

Having knowledge does not preclude gathering more knowledge. We found some brown dwarf stars, but we found fewer than we expected, therefore we learned something new about the universe.

Astromut says he's not worried about a Nibiru...His concern is about what's in store for mans future, I agree with him.

I think he's referring to space threats and the asteroid headed this way in 40 years.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to that you say I'm referring to.
This is a MAJOR CT forum, so much so that any real mainstream scientist would not give this place a second look
 Quoting: chucky

No true Scotsman fallacy.
due to the effect it would have on the reputation should it ever be discovered.
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Of course, we learn something new everyday, something new means something you don't know about today..Todays stupidity can become tomorrows worries.
 Quoting: Chucky Sagan

LOL, tomorrow's worries.
When I post about your concerns I refer to the video you posted about an asteroid headed this way for 2040.
 Quoting: Chuck

It may or may not be headed this way, we really don't know if it will hit us or miss us by a lot. The point was to show what an actual threat looks like and to show how we determine that.
Do you disagree that this a CT forum?? It's in the title!!
 Quoting: Chuck

It's many different things to many different people.
I'm not talking about pseudo scientist,
 Quoting: Chuck

Neither am I.
I'm referring to guys that don't even know this place exist and if they did wouldn't give it a second thought,
 Quoting: Chuck

Again, you're playing a no true scotsman fallacy. A textbook example of it, in fact. Your logic is fallacious, it holds no water. Just because someone posts here does not automatically disqualify them from being a mainstream scientist or make them a "pseudo scientist." I happen to be a mainstream scientist myself.
they just don't care for games like the ones played here with shills and debunkers and a million ugly ass CT's that come up with the craziest shit on the planet.
 Quoting: Chuck

And once again you can't make sweeping generalizations like that.
That's all I'm saying...Should I go back and look for the vid you posted about this asteroid for 2040??
 Quoting: Chuck

This one?
Thread: Here's what a real cosmic threat looks like
I'm not super concerned about it, but I find it a good educational opportunity and a chance to start thinking and planning about how best to deflect asteroids when there is plenty of lead time.
 Quoting: Astromut


Well gee all that for nothing...That's what I meant..Your concern...Whats expected shortly is just that. A space defense program...Probably an emergency implementation.
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Re: If Nibiru/planet x is not coming, then what is FEMA and the secret government preparing for
Guuuys... think for a moment! U think we would find out of Nibiru that easy?? lol if they created us i think the annunaki are pretty good at hiding them selves from us right now.. I think we got our dna from something out there.. btw take a look at Prometheus it will make u think!

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