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Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene

 
insertfunnyusername (OP)

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Op, I'm interested in your opinion regarding the first riots in Athens (I believe).

I recall watching it live on sky news online. I was awe struck when I kept hearing these loud BOOMS go off yet no one in the crowd was moving.

After awhile I realized it was tear gas causing the booms and that the reason the crowd was not breaking up was because they were wearing gas masks.

I thought, "Wow! The Greeks are seriously prepared. That is some professional rioting right there".

I was impressed. I mean who has their own gas masks for rioting?

However, it begs the question...... Professional Rioting? I know there has been a lot of social / political disputes in the recent history of Greece so I guess it isn't impossible that the people may have their own revolution gear but it also highly raises the suspicion that the rioting could have been started, prompted, or brought to new heights by sponsorship.

Take for instance the OWS movement here in the states. I believe there are a lot of people protesting by their own choice and I believe they have all right to be demonstrating but I am also suspect of who (what interested group or party) is behind the movement itself. It stinks of COINTEL, controlled opposition which aims to distract and discredit a sentiment or movement that might otherwise prove to be more successful.

I would be interested in your thoughts. How authentic were the riots? Do you believe they may have been sponsored to some degree (not in total of course, as naturally there was plenty for the people to be upset about)?

Political cue?


We saw this happen in so many countries recently.... Greece, London, Egypt etc.
 Quoting: Sammie

I'll place my personal experience and opinion. From 1974 and after Hounda (the military coup from 1967 to 1974) we had a part of left that form some terrorist organizations. Those organizations is always believed to be connected with the anarchist and with some other countries terrorist and anarchist mainly from Italy.. this means that the extremistic part of the left was always highly organized in Greece. As far as I remember my self every 17th of November at the celebration of Polytexnio there were riots. My father had a shop not near but not far away also, that eveytime that day we had to close just for procation. From 6 of December of 2009 after the pointless death of a 15yo student by a cop the riots became much more orginized and bigger. Of course there have always been reports and consipacy theories of goverment agencys leading the riots so that they can distract public opinion as well reports especially at 80s and 90s of Pasok being connected to terrorist organizations like 17th November. (Pasok just for the history began as a leftcenter party)
 Quoting: Foveras


It is a well known fact that these "terrorist" organizations were supported by the CIA and other agencies and doing their dirty work in here. Also every year the Polytechneio protest ends in front of the USA embassy, because of the American involvement and provocation of the 1967 coup. An article i posted above and i'm posting again shares some info about these dark days of the coup if anyone is interested. [link to endthelie.com]

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Never for a moment thought this was anything than outright theft of your beautiful country, destruction of your rich culture and psy-op job on the world.....keep your gold land, historic culture and refute these bastards to live simple beautiful lives.....good luck
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Never for a moment thought this was anything than outright theft of your beautiful country, destruction of your rich culture and psy-op job on the world.....keep your gold land, historic culture and refute these bastards to live simple beautiful lives.....good luck
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Thank you very much for your kind words and your support.hf
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Our Western partners, our European cousins, notably the Germanic Nordic ones, got a taste for ridiculing Greeks. Assassinating the modern-Greek National character they did a lot of, on the back of the FYRoM - Greece Name Dispute but have continued in the hope they can change the Greek into something Germanic...in his governance and in his work-ethic. But what did Angela Merkel actually achieve, casting Greece and modern Greeks as lazy cheating Europeans in comparison to the hard-working Industrious Northern Europeans ???

That Germany has started something in Europe that will eventually be her Nemesis is a true statement to make, for Angela Merkel has awoken something in Greeks and in other Europeans that highlight the problems the German model for running the European Union has...it only really benefits Germany and the core countries that surround it.

Peripheral countrys's, detached from the central structures geographically and economically suffer the consequencies from a downturn in world economic activity, who's then weak ecomonies become the targets of the ratings agencies and the banking fraternity.

That Germany treated Greece first, and then Italy with disdain and disrespect was spotted in Europe as sign of growing Germanic Arrogance which has managed to relegate the Greco-Romans downwards, back down in hirarchy terms to a time when the Germanics were ruling, and in charge of a much earlier and older European Union, until that is, when the Byzantines awoke and decided to put the Germanics back in their place.

Greece should make moves to re-ignite the Interest in a Mediteranean Union...this needs to be re-looked at. A Union of Mediteranean countries to compete with the Northern mainly Germanic countries of Europe.

That Greece should start to think in these terms is a direct result of that Germanic Arrogance, displayed in such a crude and crass way all over European - World press and media. A Mediteranean Union constituting ancient and modern countries to compete with the Germanic North European Union! A Mediteranean Union constituting initially, these core countries:

Greece
Cyprus
Israel
Italy
France
Spain
Portugal
Malta

If such a Union were to exist, it is sure to attract others into the fold and it would certainly kill-off Angela Merkels vision of a Germanic Europe, the one we currently have right now where only the core Germanic countries prosper.

The Slavic countries would then replace the so called PIIGS, so graciously named and depicted that way in the mainly Anglo-Saxon and Germanic press!

Prospecting and Speculation are the new global growth [Industries] businesses...where the ratings agencies and banking fraternities go for a specific target, based on data which is gleaned directly from the Industry Itself.

The City of London is a prime example where an
Industrialized country like the UK makes more money from Prospecting and Speculating on easy prey targets...It is an easy way for them to make a quick buck, probably the quickest.

Greece...one of the Weak economies of the EU but by No means the Weakest, was targetted by the ratings agencies and banking fraternities. Shared data led to a concerted effort to go for the Greek Jugular, and they did, big style!

Who's responsible for that...The Merkel regime ofcourse!

The Merkel regime kept Greece in the spotlight for quite some time...in essence, giving the green light for the Prospectors and the Speculators to go for the Greek Jugular.

Germany could have gone for Portugual, Ireland, Spain or Italy to make an example of...but they didn't, instead, they chose Greece ???

Is the Merkel regime responsible for destroying Greece, the Greek way of life and the Greek lifestyle which less than a decade ago was considered to be a lifestyle much sought after through-out Europe.

Germany destroyed Greece...destruction can work both ways!

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen set-out to put the Greeks in their place...to send them down to African and Balkan levels of existence.

Greeks can do the same damage to Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just Watch the Greeks Rock!
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
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It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
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It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

Firstly...lets call a spade a spade!

Firstly...we need to highlight the fact that the Merkel regime destroyed Greece and the Greek way of life, a lifestyle much sought after by Germans themselves less than a decade ago!
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
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It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

Firstly...lets call a spade a spade!

Firstly...we need to highlight the fact that the Merkel regime destroyed Greece and the Greek way of life, a lifestyle much sought after by Germans themselves less than a decade ago!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


But you, and especially the Irish and Spanish too had plenty of time to see that you would hit the wall one day !
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[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

this also a "myth"?..
for the record i don't agree what's happening with greece now, but what is said in that article is legit i think..
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727


Let us help them.

Not that they want to pay for stuff anyway so why give away stuff for free like some plan to do.



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Cheers to you OP.

I am half Greek myself, and my father has always expected "arete". So to hear the bullshit about lazy Greeks makes me angry. I know better.

Being content with what you have and enjoying life does not equal laziness.
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in fact that is going to be lifestyle in every nation of earth
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...

It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

Firstly...lets call a spade a spade!

Firstly...we need to highlight the fact that the Merkel regime destroyed Greece and the Greek way of life, a lifestyle much sought after by Germans themselves less than a decade ago!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842

The Irony of it is this: had the Germans not been so insistant in wanting to audit Greek finances...Greece would have plodded on regardless with a high deficit, the same could be said for the other PIIGS!

Greece was targetted as a special showcase, to be made an example of...Germany milked flaws in the Greek system and flaws in the Greek National-Character. The Merkel regime showcased the Greeks as the lazy Southern-European who should be made to change his ways German style!

I charge the Merkel regime for sending out the signal to ingnite the green light for the Rating Agencies and Banking fraternities to go for the Greek jugular.

Detailed flaws in the Greek economy were distributed in order the Speculators [City of London] and the Prospectors
gained financially from doing their business on the Greek economy.

There is no doubt...the Merkel regime destroyed Greece through it's indeciveness and inabilty to show leadership at a crucial juncture very early-on in the Euro-Crisis, so called Greek Crisis by the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon Press...

...the very two elements which gained most from the demise of the Greeks!















But you, and especially the Irish and Spanish too had plenty of time to see that you would hit the wall one day !
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Fantastic post OP, I would strongly recommend people in here printing your post of and showing it to anyone they know. The more people know the truth and what is happening to the Greeks the better. Be assured there are many of us who have not bought into the myths and pressure being put on you. It may sound simplistic but the Greek people should be able to decide there own future and not have greedy outside technocrats influencing the elections.

Keep the faith as we are behind you. People should realise you are at the front line of the battle and that the fight will be coming to a country near to them very soon.
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Our Western partners, our European cousins, notably the Germanic Nordic ones, got a taste for ridiculing Greeks. Assassinating the modern-Greek National character they did a lot of, on the back of the FYRoM - Greece Name Dispute but have continued in the hope they can change the Greek into something Germanic...in his governance and in his work-ethic. But what did Angela Merkel actually achieve, casting Greece and modern Greeks as lazy cheating Europeans in comparison to the hard-working Industrious Northern Europeans ???

That Germany has started something in Europe that will eventually be her Nemesis is a true statement to make, for Angela Merkel has awoken something in Greeks and in other Europeans that highlight the problems the German model for running the European Union has...it only really benefits Germany and the core countries that surround it.

Peripheral countrys's, detached from the central structures geographically and economically suffer the consequencies from a downturn in world economic activity, who's then weak ecomonies become the targets of the ratings agencies and the banking fraternity.

That Germany treated Greece first, and then Italy with disdain and disrespect was spotted in Europe as sign of growing Germanic Arrogance which has managed to relegate the Greco-Romans downwards, back down in hirarchy terms to a time when the Germanics were ruling, and in charge of a much earlier and older European Union, until that is, when the Byzantines awoke and decided to put the Germanics back in their place.

Greece should make moves to re-ignite the Interest in a Mediteranean Union...this needs to be re-looked at. A Union of Mediteranean countries to compete with the Northern mainly Germanic countries of Europe.

That Greece should start to think in these terms is a direct result of that Germanic Arrogance, displayed in such a crude and crass way all over European - World press and media. A Mediteranean Union constituting ancient and modern countries to compete with the Germanic North European Union! A Mediteranean Union constituting initially, these core countries:

Greece
Cyprus
Israel
Italy
France
Spain
Portugal
Malta

If such a Union were to exist, it is sure to attract others into the fold and it would certainly kill-off Angela Merkels vision of a Germanic Europe, the one we currently have right now where only the core Germanic countries prosper.

The Slavic countries would then replace the so called PIIGS, so graciously named and depicted that way in the mainly Anglo-Saxon and Germanic press!

Prospecting and Speculation are the new global growth [Industries] businesses...where the ratings agencies and banking fraternities go for a specific target, based on data which is gleaned directly from the Industry Itself.

The City of London is a prime example where an
Industrialized country like the UK makes more money from Prospecting and Speculating on easy prey targets...It is an easy way for them to make a quick buck, probably the quickest.

Greece...one of the Weak economies of the EU but by No means the Weakest, was targetted by the ratings agencies and banking fraternities. Shared data led to a concerted effort to go for the Greek Jugular, and they did, big style!

Who's responsible for that...The Merkel regime ofcourse!

The Merkel regime kept Greece in the spotlight for quite some time...in essence, giving the green light for the Prospectors and the Speculators to go for the Greek Jugular.

Germany could have gone for Portugual, Ireland, Spain or Italy to make an example of...but they didn't, instead, they chose Greece ???

Is the Merkel regime responsible for destroying Greece, the Greek way of life and the Greek lifestyle which less than a decade ago was considered to be a lifestyle much sought after through-out Europe.

Germany destroyed Greece...destruction can work both ways!

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen set-out to put the Greeks in their place...to send them down to African and Balkan levels of existence.

Greeks can do the same damage to Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just Watch the Greeks Rock!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


i see that a bit different.., the euro destroyed all, u say germany and core members which holland is 1 of were the only ones prospering, trust me this is not true, it's going bad in every country Since the euro came.., Also germany, the only ones who prosper are the banks.. and the imf of course.., if u mean germany represent these banks+imf then yes i agree but not a country as a hole.. the people in the richer country's have to bleed to, it was all a scam from the start, the worst thing is that we holland voted NO to the euro and they still pushed it true saying we didn't understand it, BS we understood very well..
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^nice that you Greeks assume Leadership automatically in such an union.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727

It's all about leadership...you know that, right!

The Merkel regime lacks something in the eyes of a proportionate number of European citizens!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


So when are you starting your boycott of German products and tourists ?

5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16358727


The boycott of the German products is in place for more than a year now. Maybe two? German exports in Greece decreased in 2011 by 13%, which is about 5,1 BN euro. For 2012 it is estimated a further decrease of 17%. We obviously not boycott the German tourists. This has nothing to do with the average German people. It's not their fault and they always have been welcomed here in Greece. I have German friends and they are good lads. We don't hate the German people yet.
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[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

this also a "myth"?..
for the record i don't agree what's happening with greece now, but what is said in that article is legit i think..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473400


This is not the reason why Greece is in shambles. Especially since this article is written in the start of this mess, when everyone in Europe had to be convinced that the Greek economy is in deep shite. I already stated some reasons why the the economy is going bad, but every passing day the whole thing gives me the impression that Greece is staged. I'm preparing a very insightful thread with what i think is the real plot behind the scenes and i will post it later in the day. You ll be surprised my friend. Stay tuned.

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 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


i see that a bit different.., the euro destroyed all, u say germany and core members which holland is 1 of were the only ones prospering, trust me this is not true, it's going bad in every country Since the euro came.., Also germany, the only ones who prosper are the banks.. and the imf of course.., if u mean germany represent these banks+imf then yes i agree but not a country as a hole.. the people in the richer country's have to bleed to, it was all a scam from the start, the worst thing is that we holland voted NO to the euro and they still pushed it true saying we didn't understand it, BS we understood very well..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473400


I don't know what Germany represents but the whole EU thing is working in Germany's favor and advantages. Germany earns 40BN euro per year by the privileged interests she get inside this system of euro. Not to mention the German exports doing records every year and the corrupt ways of some German corporations to conquer these new and fresh markets. I don't doubt that people in richer countries have it tough too. As i already stated the fiasco will not end with Greece. It is only the beginning, so the whole Europe should prepare for a bumpy ride.

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Fantastic post OP, I would strongly recommend people in here printing your post of and showing it to anyone they know. The more people know the truth and what is happening to the Greeks the better. Be assured there are many of us who have not bought into the myths and pressure being put on you. It may sound simplistic but the Greek people should be able to decide there own future and not have greedy outside technocrats influencing the elections.

Keep the faith as we are behind you. People should realise you are at the front line of the battle and that the fight will be coming to a country near to them very soon.
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hf Thank you very much for your kind words my friend.
Your support means a lot.
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That Greece should start to think in these terms is a direct result of that Germanic Arrogance, displayed in such a crude and crass way all over European - World press and media. A Mediteranean Union constituting ancient and modern countries to compete with the Germanic North European Union! A Mediteranean Union constituting initially, these core countries:

Greece
Cyprus
Israel
Italy
France
Spain
Portugal
Malta


 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


Some good points raised there Nick, but i think that after this bitter experience we are done with the unions for some time.
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Our Western partners, our European cousins, notably the Germanic Nordic ones, got a taste for ridiculing Greeks. Assassinating the modern-Greek National character they did a lot of, on the back of the FYRoM - Greece Name Dispute but have continued in the hope they can change the Greek into something Germanic...in his governance and in his work-ethic. But what did Angela Merkel actually achieve, casting Greece and modern Greeks as lazy cheating Europeans in comparison to the hard-working Industrious Northern Europeans ???

That Germany has started something in Europe that will eventually be her Nemesis is a true statement to make, for Angela Merkel has awoken something in Greeks and in other Europeans that highlight the problems the German model for running the European Union has...it only really benefits Germany and the core countries that surround it.

Peripheral countrys's, detached from the central structures geographically and economically suffer the consequencies from a downturn in world economic activity, who's then weak ecomonies become the targets of the ratings agencies and the banking fraternity.

That Germany treated Greece first, and then Italy with disdain and disrespect was spotted in Europe as sign of growing Germanic Arrogance which has managed to relegate the Greco-Romans downwards, back down in hirarchy terms to a time when the Germanics were ruling, and in charge of a much earlier and older European Union, until that is, when the Byzantines awoke and decided to put the Germanics back in their place.

Greece should make moves to re-ignite the Interest in a Mediteranean Union...this needs to be re-looked at. A Union of Mediteranean countries to compete with the Northern mainly Germanic countries of Europe.

That Greece should start to think in these terms is a direct result of that Germanic Arrogance, displayed in such a crude and crass way all over European - World press and media. A Mediteranean Union constituting ancient and modern countries to compete with the Germanic North European Union! A Mediteranean Union constituting initially, these core countries:

Greece
Cyprus
Israel
Italy
France
Spain
Portugal
Malta

If such a Union were to exist, it is sure to attract others into the fold and it would certainly kill-off Angela Merkels vision of a Germanic Europe, the one we currently have right now where only the core Germanic countries prosper.

The Slavic countries would then replace the so called PIIGS, so graciously named and depicted that way in the mainly Anglo-Saxon and Germanic press!

Prospecting and Speculation are the new global growth [Industries] businesses...where the ratings agencies and banking fraternities go for a specific target, based on data which is gleaned directly from the Industry Itself.

The City of London is a prime example where an
Industrialized country like the UK makes more money from Prospecting and Speculating on easy prey targets...It is an easy way for them to make a quick buck, probably the quickest.

Greece...one of the Weak economies of the EU but by No means the Weakest, was targetted by the ratings agencies and banking fraternities. Shared data led to a concerted effort to go for the Greek Jugular, and they did, big style!

Who's responsible for that...The Merkel regime ofcourse!

The Merkel regime kept Greece in the spotlight for quite some time...in essence, giving the green light for the Prospectors and the Speculators to go for the Greek Jugular.

Germany could have gone for Portugual, Ireland, Spain or Italy to make an example of...but they didn't, instead, they chose Greece ???

Is the Merkel regime responsible for destroying Greece, the Greek way of life and the Greek lifestyle which less than a decade ago was considered to be a lifestyle much sought after through-out Europe.

Germany destroyed Greece...destruction can work both ways!

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen set-out to put the Greeks in their place...to send them down to African and Balkan levels of existence.

Greeks can do the same damage to Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just Watch the Greeks Rock!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


i see that a bit different.., the euro destroyed all, u say germany and core members which holland is 1 of were the only ones prospering, trust me this is not true, it's going bad in every country Since the euro came.., Also germany, the only ones who prosper are the banks.. and the imf of course.., if u mean germany represent these banks+imf then yes i agree but not a country as a hole.. the people in the richer country's have to bleed to, it was all a scam from the start, the worst thing is that we holland voted NO to the euro and they still pushed it true saying we didn't understand it, BS we understood very well..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473400

Germany has assumed a leadership role in Europe on the basis it has the ability to bankroll the EU project.

Germany can bankroll...but it cannot lead!

Evidenced in the Euro Crisis, which the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon Press have tried to pass-off as a Greek Crisis!
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Sorry about this post. Something messed up trying to edit a post

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And when do we get our money back we lent you?
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at the same time you give them back the gold you stoled...and pay compensations.

I hope this time Greece get armed by Russia and kick some Nazi ass
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And when do we get our money back we lent you?
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at the same time you give them back the gold you stoled...and pay compensations.

I hope this time Greece get armed by Russia and kick some Nazi ass
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Slick move there Italy since you attacked the Greeks in the first place...
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Re: Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene
There is no tradition of Tax collection in Greece, from since the revival-resurrection of the modern Greek Nation state.

Governments in Greece financed their works and projects through an archaic [Byzantine] Oligarchic system, where the rich Greeks contributed to the said programmes either directly or arranged the finances indirectly!

This group: the rich Greeks, have fled Greece, disbanded Greece, driven out of Greece, gone to Berlin and London and taken their Capital with them.

Germanic reforms to the Greek Tax collection system have led to the destruction of Greece...none of these reforms have actually benefitted Greece directly, they have however, benefitted Germany and England where Billions of Euros have been taken out of the Greek banking systems and deposited into the Germanic and British banking systems.

I say again: the Merkel regime destroyed Greece and the Greek way of life...a way of life which was much sought after by many Europeans and by Germans themselves.

Is Merkel happy Now...Now that Greeks have reached African and Balkan levels of existence!

Can a Greek permit a German to destroy his country, his Nation, his homeland and way of life, without wanting to share some of the Destruction with his Germanic cousin!
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Europe “doesn’t really need any outside money,” Jim O’Neill, chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management, said in an e-mail.“It needs their own policy makers, especially Germany, to show leadership.”

Leadership is what we are talking about here!

The EU has it's own Central Bank...which the Germans inhibit from printing enough money to back and bolster the so called "PIIGS" ailing economies from becoming the targets of the Prospectors, [City of London] Speculators and ratings agencies.

The Angela Merkel regime prolonged the agony of Greece by sending out the wrong signals to the Prospectors and Speculators in the banking fraternity by keeping the focus of world attention on Greece, in essence the Merkel regime signed the death warrant for Greece.

This anti-Greek action shall go down in recorded history as the moment in history when Germany, through the Merkel regime destroyed the Greek Nations ecomomy, and the Greek way of life, and Greek lifestyle...a lifestyle much sought after by many Europeans and Germans themselves less than a decade ago!

Germany benefitted financially by keeping Greece in the spotlight. For as long as Greece was the Target of the ratings agencies and the banking fraternities Germany reaped the rewards and benefits from a Low Euro.

Ofcourse, there had to come a Time when that stance would simply become unsustainable.

The Germans did Not show leadership...they showed Selfish Pride only, and cared only for their own economy and themselves.

Peripheral countries are Not that Integrated and do not have the same comfort of closeness to Germanic Industrial resources and Infrastructure.

Evidently Germany cant lead Europe...it is too Selfish for that.

The European Empire...like the Greco-Roman Empire before it, needs leadership with global panoramic vision, not the short-sighted vision we have all come to expect from the Germanic Merkel regime!
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Shameless bump with my other thread:


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Re: Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene
Anyway, since my last thread was for some mysterious reason got deleted and it took me an hour to write it down, l'll post the copy i have in a post reply here.

Wikileaks : Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played out behind the scenes!!!

Hello lads and gals.
From day one of this crisis, i've always suspected that the Greek fiasco was staged. I've read about a million articles from economists and experts trying to give a rational explanation for the whole situation and is really hard to find any useful info in the huge pile of the MSM shite. It is a well known and hidden fact that Greece has enormous yet unexplored amounts of gas and oil. So yesterday i read this wikileaks cable and booooom. It hit me. The whole plot and plan unraveled in seconds in front of my eyes. For everyone not interested in reading my whole gigantic post, here are the links for the wikileaks cables.

[link to wikileaks.org]
[link to wikileaks.org]
[link to wikileaks.org]


For everyone interested in reading the whole debunk of the Greek crisis, i'll give you now a much detailed and insightful view of the whole fiasco from the start. It is a long read but well worth it imo. After all nothing beats a good conspiracy eh?

Everything i state here is a well known and proven fact, and i will update this post with links and wikileaks cables after i'm done writing it. I'm on a roll now and don't want to lose my mojo. LOL

So let's start now with the summary of the facts that lead me to believe that the whole thing is staged, before we analyze this even further.

2007 - 2009
Greece is getting to close with Russia for the western interest likings, starting buying Russian weapons, plans to cooperate in the energy field (Bourgas-Alexandroupoli pipeline) etc. A whole operation of destabilization of the whole country with the code name Pythia-1 is starting which involves a number of immoral actions to turn the Greek public opinion against the govt of Kostas Karamanlis. These actions include the great Peloponnese fires in the summer of 2007 which accounted in the death of 63 civilians, countless fires in various other places in Greece with a further 21 dead civilians, various kidnappings of several prominent businessmen throwing the business community in a panic, the alleged Vatopedi scandal, the so called Greek Watergate with the US embassy being behind the phone-tapping of Karamanlis and the murder of Bob Tsalikidis, the murder of the 15 year old Alexandros Grigoropoulos by two cops and the provocation of the worst riots ever seen in Athens in December 2008 and finally to top it off the plan for the assassination of Karamanlis. Russian intelligence confirmed all the above actions and even held a managed process of engagement with Karamanlis stalkers, stating that Western Service agents and MOSSAD were behind the whole Pythia-1 operation. Legal prosecution has already started in Athens for all of these actions, but the advocators are stating that they are facing threats and pressure by interests to not do their job properly. Public opinion turned against Karamanlis govt and new elections was announced. (This is not the first time in the recent Greek history that foreign secret agencies and interests were involved to destabilize Greece's path. The 1967 coup was imposed by the US and the NATO allies before Greece fell under the Russian influence and become a Mediterranean Cuba).

2009 - Present
George Papandreou and PASOK win by a big margin the elections held in October 2009. His campaign moto was the now legendary in Greece phrase " We have plenty of money". A number of weird and eye-raising actions is about to follow.
November 2009, Papandreou has a meeting in the Pentelikon Resort with various Goldman Sachs executives and representers of 5-6 hedge funds. Former Finance Minister Giorgos Papakonstantinou falsifies the Greek deficit of 2009 by 3 to 5 % . Supreme Court is already conducting an investigation for this scandal. In December 2009 Papandreou states that the economy is not in a good shape and that there is "no chance that Greece could have oil/gas resources" . Speculating vultures are throwing a party with the Greek bonds. The spreads are breaking record after record and no action at all is taken for the protection of the Greek economy by the Greek govt until the first Memorandum is signed in May 2010, even though at that time they had plenty of options to prevent this. Instead of trying to use the well known oil/gas resources to solve the alleged economic problem Papandreou is rooting for a solution within the IMF. Papandreou is stating that the IMF was his least preferable choice, but could not done otherwise with the country being under such speculative attack. Reports emerged that Papandreou was already talking with the IMF official before his election. Papandreou denies these claims. Strauss-Kahn refutes publicly Papandreou's claims, stating that they had their first conversations about the situation in the summer of 2009.
It is time now for the big twist of the plan. Allegations emerged that the PM Papandreou and members of his team, presided over the sale of 1.3 billion dollars worth of CDS on Greek sovereign debt on or around December of 2009, shortly after coming to power. Swiss newspaper "La Liberte" confirms reports coming from Greece that George Papandreou's brother, Andreas Papandreou has a registered company in Switzerland called "I4cense". The company is involved in huge trades of Greek CDS's. Greek justice has already taken action and prosecutors are investigating the CDS scandal. Prosecutors in this case are also stating huge pressure and prevention by various interests. Claims are emerging that Papandreou family got a payment for their services up to 2,5-3 BN euro (if it can be called service the selling of your country to the vultures). Global and Greek MSM are now starting a huge propaganda to discredit the average Greek people and the Greek economy.
May 2010, under huge public criticism the Greek govt signs the first Memorandum with a public debt at 120% of GDP. It is a sloppy job with huge legal and constitutional holes. It wasn't even signed by one legal advisor of the Greek state.
It didn't even get the 180 votes of the parliament which is the bare minimum by the Greek constitution for such action.
The speculative attacks show no signs of stepping back. Greece's public debt rises 15% in a few months. More and more people wake up in Greece and see the things for what they are. Legal investigations are starting for various cases involving the CDS, the cooking of the deficit and the first Memorandum. The Greek public debt and the society are under immense pressure.
In June 2011 a new public company was formed called EDEY, responsible for oil and gas exploration in the Greek region. It was under the guidance of the newly formed Ministry for the Environment, Energy and Climate Change ( climate change is a good one but thats for another thread). This ministry was formed in 2009 after PASOK won the elections and lets called it from now on MEECC. Wait for it it gets better. Immediately after EDEY was formed guess who is placed as the Minister of the MEECC. Former Finance Minister Giorgos Papakonstantinou who was responsible for the cooking of Greece's deficit 2 years back. Papandreou himself announces in September 2011, that Greece will begin exploring for oil and natural gas fields in the Ionian Sea and near southern Crete, backtracking from his previous statements that there is no oil and gas in Greece.
Papandreou under huge criticism by the public opinion and other politicians, threatens the Troika with a referendum and he soon gets the sack in November of 2011. Lucas Papademos is installed in his position as the Prime Minister leading a government of national unity with the help of Antonis Samaras, who with a famous u-turn became a bailout supporter. Papademos was the governor of the Bank of Greece between 1994-2002 and played a major role to get Greece into the Euro. Immediately he was rewarded with the position of the Vice President of European Central Bank between 2002 - 2010. From 1998 is a member of the Trilateral Commission (if someone doesn't know what the Trilateral Commission is, google it you ll be suprised).
Already by the start 2011 big protests which many times end in violent riots are in the daily menu provoked by the unfair austerity measures. The banksters fear the public outcry and pushing the Greek govt to sign a second Memorandum, which will give to the Troika the upper hand. It was signed in March 2012. This will move the Greek public debt from the hands of the banks in the ECB and pass the the debt from the Greek Law to the international and colonial English Law. Together with the Memorandum comes the infamous now PSI. A forced haircut to the private creditors up to 75%. In the private creditors haircut are included the Greek hospitals, universities, national security and pension funds, other public companies and average Greek investors who made the wrong call to trust the Greek govt with their investments. They lost overnight 75% of their money and are now facing enormous financial and survival difficulties. Debt to the banks remains untouched and it is now forced upon the Greek people to be re-payed. PSI for all of its "success" managed to skyrocket the Greek debt from 130 to 175% of GDP(LOL). Further austerity measures and mass firings are agreed also.
May 2012, Greek voters protest with their votes and punish the pro-bailout parties, voting for far left and even far right parties. No coalition govt can be formed and new elections are announced. IMF suspends contacts with Greece until the new elections.

A little bigie but interesting story nonetheless how things are unravelling in Greece in the past 3 years isn't it? All the above facts lead me to believe that Greece is the Trojan horse. It has nothing to do with the economy. TPTB wants Greece to be part of the dollar because Greece has the potential to be a big oil and gas producer. That was the plan all along. Designed a decade back as it seems. Thats why all the mishandling and the minimum amount of negotiation from the corrupt Greeks politicians side. Greece will go bankrupt and leave the euro. Have no doubt about that. A well informed Greek magazine called "Epikaira", revealed in December 2011 an ambitious plan of US Federal Reserve which looks at the replacement of the euro with the dollar as a national currency to the member states that do not want to continue in the Eurozone.

So where does that leave Germany and the EU exactly? Did Germany and Merkel knew the plan all along and are exemplary punishing the Greeks for their actions as Merkel herself stated? It would be logically assumed that Germany would like to have a piece of the pie isn't it? So why Merkel is doing everything in her hand to push Greece out of the euro? Or is it just threats so that the Greek voters vote for austerity and remain in the EU? Let's get this thing a bit more complicated shall we?
How much sovereignty the German state really have and whose interests promotes? It is easily forgettable that Germany didn't have full sovereignty as a nation until the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany was signed in 1990, so Germany can be unified again. From 1945 to 1990 Germany was in fact under the four WWII Allies occupation. Russian troops left the German soil in 1994. No peace treaty was signed till 1990. Thats plenty of time for the allies to install a system of their favor in a country that they rebuild with factories and infrastructure with their own money from scratch (Marshall Plan). Even the German "constitution" had to be approved by the allies in 1949 and it doesn't even have the term constitution in it.It's called Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany. It is a temporary basic law to get things running. Many times the peace treaty of 1990 was violated by NATO with minimum response by the German state. Is it Germany still under the same US influence as much as a few decades back and playing her fair share on this act?

If the "pegging" to the dollar was the plan all along why all this atrocious and unnecessary act? Why people should suffer the consequences of the elite's actions? Or is it the whole euro crisis a big speculative scam?

Spread these words to as many people as you can. Greece is under financial occupation for 2 years now and there is no light in end of the tunnel. Help the Greek people to take their sovereignty back. I thank everyone who bothered to read this. Best wishes from Greece.

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bump for Greece pegging with the dollar! cruise
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Just wanted to share this lads, from the official Syriza website. A bank(eurobank) is threatening their employees that if they vote for Syriza they will lose their jobs and they also forcing the employees to tell the banks customers that if they vote for Syriza their deposits will be lost.

Google translated article: [link to translate.google.gr]

PS: In the google translation there is a mistake "They go, not to inform customers about the risk of losing their deposits..". Actually is the other way around but for some reason google translation messed it up.

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