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Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene

 
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05/27/2012 09:34 AM
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An good read for anyone interested by the German Joschka Fischer, former Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor, about the visible threat that Germany could destroy Europe for a third time, this time with peaceful means.

[link to www.project-syndicate.org]
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05/27/2012 01:44 PM
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A bit of an oldie but a great read this interview of Albrecht Ritschl on Spiegel.
Albrecht Ritschl, 51, is a professor of economic history at the London School of Economics, born in Munich...

"Germany Was Biggest Debt Transgressor of 20th Century"

[link to www.spiegel.de]
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05/28/2012 11:56 AM
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Re: Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene
A very supportive article for the Greeks and the Mediterranean people in general, translated in 3 languages, by Jose Manuel Lamarque , a French reporter who throughout this crisis is standing by the side of the Greek people with his articles.
'Suffering is not dying' is the title of this one that i would like to share.


[link to helpthegreekpeople.blogspot.com]
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05/28/2012 12:12 PM
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Re: Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene
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Claim no.1 : Greeks are lazy

That is a myth. In fact most of the Greeks work more than anyone else in the EU and have been working that hard before Greece got into the eurozone.
[link to stats.oecd.org]
Even the amount of paid holidays is 23 compared to the EU average, and significantly lower than the minimum of 28 days in the UK and 30 days in Germany.
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No one cares how hard they work. Tell us what they produce.
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05/28/2012 12:21 PM
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Claim no.1 : Greeks are lazy

That is a myth. In fact most of the Greeks work more than anyone else in the EU and have been working that hard before Greece got into the eurozone.
[link to stats.oecd.org]
Even the amount of paid holidays is 23 compared to the EU average, and significantly lower than the minimum of 28 days in the UK and 30 days in Germany.
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 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


No one cares how hard they work. Tell us what they produce.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389937


I only stated this because everyone says that Greeks are lazy, which clearly is not true. Anyway, agriculture, tourism,shipping and maritime industry are the main things that Greece produces.
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05/28/2012 05:44 PM
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Claim no.1 : Greeks are lazy

That is a myth. In fact most of the Greeks work more than anyone else in the EU and have been working that hard before Greece got into the eurozone.
[link to stats.oecd.org]
Even the amount of paid holidays is 23 compared to the EU average, and significantly lower than the minimum of 28 days in the UK and 30 days in Germany.
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 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


1...No one cares how hard they work.
2...Tell us what they produce.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389937

1...Fritz Gunther and Jurgen have declared an Interest!

2...Why Jaak ? find out for yourself Heino!

Germanics resent the fact they have to work 8 - 10 hours every day pushing levers and pressing buttons just to earn enough to pay for a holiday where they could live like Greeks for 2 weeks of the year!

That Germanic resentment ingressed itself into the political system...especially into the Merkel regime.

The Merkel regime destroyed Greece, the Greek economy and the Greek way of life...a way of life much written about and much sought after, by many Europeans, especially the Germanics

How does Merkel feel now, knowing in advance that it was under her watch, under her regime, the world witnessed the destruction of the Greek way of life!

Germanic indecisions and lack of leadership skills in controlling a currency crisis tops the list of how and why, we find ourselves in this position.

Germans want rich Greeks to pay their taxes because Germans flew over Greece and saw, took photographs, of very rich and extensive properties few in Germany, but plentiful in Greece, and they resented that fact.

Germanic inactions led to the destruction of the Greek economy and the Greek way of life...all because Fritz Gunther and Jurgen resented the Greeks having better properties and better way of life than the German themselves.

German actions led to the rich Greeks leaving Greece and placing their wealth and riches in German banks and British banks.

I say again: Germanic inactions destroyed Greece and the Greek way of life...a way of life much written about and sought after by many Europeans, especially the Germans.

That Greece was targetted...the first EU economy to be attacked by the prospectors [City of London] and the speculators, and the Ratings Agencies, revealed a dark-side to the global Banking fraternity.

The Greek economy has been sufficiently ruined, destroyed to such a degree that Spain is now the next target.

There is a War going-on...the Euro versus the Dollar for world currency denomination!

Germany has a good credit Rating, hence it can take out loans at favourable low Interest rates.

Germany can borrow that money to Greece in it's time of Need... Like when I go to ask my European cousin for the loan instead of going to the loan-shark.

It is a loan and I intend to pay it back in good faith, I do not intend to let my European cousins down, it is called solidarity. Helping your European cousins.

Germany has made a song and dance of the fact that it could earn more with the money it loans Greece and the other PIIGS. It is done all the time, especially between family members or close associates. Evdidently it is a concept the cold stern rigid Germans are not familiar with.

So Germany wants to play leader but has no proven or time served leadership skills...evidenced in it's indecisions and inabilities to stabilize the Euro-Crisis, dubbed the Greek Crisis by some dubious Germanic and Anglo-Saxon Media groups.

Germanic indecisions and inabilities to stabilize a currency crisis led to the destruction of the Greek economy and by extension...the Greek way of life.

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen like to play leader but have no proven leadership skills...evidenced in their handling of the currency crisis which the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon press dubbed the Greek crisis as if to accentuate the emphasis on the Greeks.

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen figured they could destroy Greece and buy Greek Islands on the cheap. Germanic indecisions destroyed the Greek economy, almost destroyed the Greek Nation...but Greeks are good at sharing that destruction with Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just watch the Greek Roll!

Prospecting and Speculation are the new global growth [Industries] businesses, where the ratings agencies and banking fraternities go for a specific target based on data which is gleaned directly, from the Industry Itself.

The City of London is a prime example where an
Industrialized country like the UK makes more money from Prospecting and Speculating on easy- prey targets...easy enough for them to make a quick buck, probably the quickest way!

Greece...one of the Weak economies of the EU but by No means the Weakest, was targetted by the ratings agencies and banking fraternities.

Shared data led to a concerted effort to go for the Greek Jugular, and they did, big style!

So who's responsible for that...The Merkel regime ofcourse!

The Merkel regime kept Greece in the spotlight for quite some time...in essence, giving the green light for the Prospectors and the Speculators to go for the Greek Jugular.

Germany could have gone for Portugual, Ireland, Spain or Italy to make an example of...but they didn't, instead, they chose Greece ???

Is the Merkel regime responsible for destroying Greece, the Greek way of life and the Greek lifestyle which less than a decade ago was considered to be a lifestyle much sought after through-out Europe.

Germany destroyed Greece...destruction can work both ways!

Fritz Gunther and Jurgen set-out to put the Greeks in their place...to send them down to African and Balkan levels of existence.

Greeks can do the same damage to Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just Watch the Greeks Rock!
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Re: Truths and myths about Greece and the Greek crisis-Wikileaks: Greece becoming part of the dollar bloc is the bigger game played behind the scene
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Claim no.1 : Greeks are lazy

That is a myth. In fact most of the Greeks work more than anyone else in the EU and have been working that hard before Greece got into the eurozone.
[link to stats.oecd.org]
Even the amount of paid holidays is 23 compared to the EU average, and significantly lower than the minimum of 28 days in the UK and 30 days in Germany.
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 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


1...No one cares how hard they work.
2...Tell us what they produce.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389937

1...Fritz Gunther and Jurgen have declared an Interest!

2...Why Jaak ? find out for yourself Heino!


Greeks can do the same damage to Fritz Gunther and Jurgen...just Watch the Greeks Rock!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 14098842


Nick i'm sure you are very concerned and maybe angered with this situation like all of us, but please mate lets not repeat ourselves with the same things. The thread was created so we can have a talk with fellow lads around the globe and inform them better about the situation and i personally try to update it with any decent article i found around the net. They will be disagreements for sure but let's have a decent chat with everyone. Let's not make this an Alexander the Great thread. Thank you in advance mate and best wishes.
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05/30/2012 03:14 AM
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A bit of an oldie but a great read this interview of Albrecht Ritschl on Spiegel.
Albrecht Ritschl, 51, is a professor of economic history at the London School of Economics, born in Munich...

"Germany Was Biggest Debt Transgressor of 20th Century"

[link to www.spiegel.de]
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


bump


Nice articles need to be brought up
Thread: Spiegel: 'Germany Was Biggest Debt Transgressor of 20th Century'



Very good post bro, and some threads to show here

"Who works the longest hours in Europe?"
Thread: Who works the longest hours in Europe?

Bloomberg: Merkel's scam in Euro bailouts
Thread: Bloomberg: Merkel's scam in Euro bailouts


Nevertheless, regarding taxes, the majority of people in Greece, the working class, is paying them without even knowing how much the state takes from them !
The taxes are automatically deducted from our salaries and that happens since the beginning of time !!

The state takes the taxes automatically from the employer directly without intervention of the employee, it is as simple as that.

So I really wonder WHY all that hype and myth ?

Obviously Goebbels propaganda principles are enforced here from his direct descendants.


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La Résistance Grecque
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05/30/2012 03:27 AM
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And when do we get our money back we lent you?
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Ideally never.

The money Nazi Germany stole from the Greek banks during WW2 would now be estimated to be worth 85 Billion.

The lives you took, through murder and starvation.

The food you stole

The country you destroyed through the Euro.
One of the main factors of Greek Economic collapse is the Euro.

So Fourth Reich Germany stick your money up your arse.
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05/30/2012 03:47 AM
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All the Greek people I have known have been very hard working, business minded, decent people.
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And when do we get our money back we lent you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16220576


Ideally never.

The Gold Nazi Germany stole from the Greek banks during WW2 would now be estimated to be worth 85 Billion.

The lives you took, through murder and starvation.

The food you stole

The country you destroyed through the Euro.
One of the main factors of Greek Economic collapse is the Euro.

So Fourth Reich Germany stick your money up your arse.
 Quoting: La Résistance Grecque 5486956


Also Greece never got reparations from Germany post WW2
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Fascism: One law for them, another law for everybody else

IMF chief pays no tax on salary of half a million

CHRISTINE LAGARDE, the IMF boss who caused international outrage after she suggested in an interview with the Guardian newspaper last week that beleaguered Greeks might do well to pay their taxes, pays no taxes, it has emerged.

[link to www.irishtimes.com]
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05/30/2012 10:55 AM
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Kanenas and La Résistance Grecque thank you for your contribution. Best wishes.

Interesting articles about this European Redemption Pact that the German state designed. The PIIGS will have to give their gold reserves to have access to the eurobonds.

[link to alternativeeconomics.wordpress.com]

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

I created a thread for this issue if anyone is interested in a further chat, beacause that European Redemption Pact is not just a Greek issue.
Thread is here: Thread: EU Debt Crisis - Germany's European Redemption Pact: Give us your gold for Eurobonds!!! United States of Europe one step closer

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More and more reports are coming to the surface that many employers are threatening their employees that they won't get their salaries or that they will be fired if they don't vote for the pro-bailout parties. Two weeks ago it was a major bank (eurobank) and some grocery stores. Today reports coming from Patra and Rhodes.

[link to translate.google.gr]
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Paul Krugman's new article after the Greek elections stating his views about the Greek crisis.

Ever since Greece hit the skids, we’ve heard a lot about what’s wrong with everything Greek. Some of the accusations are true, some are false — but all of them are beside the point. Yes, there are big failings in Greece’s economy, its politics and no doubt its society. But those failings aren’t what caused the crisis that is tearing Greece apart, and threatens to spread across Europe.

No, the origins of this disaster lie farther north, in Brussels, Frankfurt and Berlin, where officials created a deeply — perhaps fatally — flawed monetary system, then compounded the problems of that system by substituting moralizing for analysis. And the solution to the crisis, if there is one, will have to come from the same places.



Greece as Victim
[link to www.nytimes.com]

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