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Build a real starship Enterprise. If your going to print money, print it and use it well. Such a trillion dollar, decades long goal would drive our economies for many decades to come.
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This is a website that hedge fund and private equity managers wait for on Sunday mornings to come out.

It is not a simple read BUT very well worth the time. Time for patience in reading.

Basically the market is SO over leveraged and has lost SO much value, it is going to tank BIG TIME!


[link to www.hussman.net]


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Build a real starship Enterprise. If your going to print money, print it and use it well. Such a trillion dollar, decades long goal would drive our economies for many decades to come.
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Build a real starship Enterprise. If your going to print money, print it and use it well. Such a trillion dollar, decades long goal would drive our economies for many decades to come.
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OK. I'm a tard with this kind of stuff so I'm going to ask even if it sounds stupid to those of you who do understand this kind of financial doom.

If Face Book is over valued and it crashes - what will happen to FB itself? Will it go away?
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The fed itself is its own primary bond holder.

The fed owns 43% of its own bonds, they inject this money that they have borrowed from themselves back in to the market. If the market takes a down turn and the fed fails to make a profit by the time these bonds mature, the value of the dollar will collapse in on itself.

That 77 billion the fed made last year barely got them by.

To put it very simply, it’s like using one credit card to pay off another credit card. That’s fine till you miss one payment then the whole thing collapses quickly.

In 2007 the fed held just 4% of its own bonds.

In 2010 the fed only owned 24% of its own bonds; this is how quickly it has gotten out of control.

Foreign banks are just waiting for our market to collapse so they can buy in cheap!


We are caught in what is known as a “third world debt trap” now that foreign governments will not buy our bonds, we have to leverage our selves, and like I said the second the market doesn’t have a return its over!
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The Fed doesn't issue bonds, the US Treasury does and the Fed buys them. Interest paid to the Fed gets returned to the Treasury.
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If you want to make money on 'the way down', here is your info.


I live and work in the land of "hedge fund heaven" and this is all these guys are talking about
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I hope everyone who capitalizes on the destruction of the economy gets lined up first against the wall when HUMANS remove greedy leeches from power.
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Big difference between a Recession and a Depression.
"....I suspect that the economy will slip into recession in May or June (yes, this month or next). If that is the case, I would also expect that we'll see a fairly rapid and abrupt acceleration in new unemployment claims in the weeks ahead (watch for upward revisions in prior data as well). Something to watch closely." wow, ever try decaf?
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OK. I'm a tard with this kind of stuff so I'm going to ask even if it sounds stupid to those of you who do understand this kind of financial doom.

If Face Book is over valued and it crashes - what will happen to FB itself? Will it go away?
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No, not at all. Well, if it really goes down into pennies, maybe. It is just a wealth generation tool, for marketing and R&D and the likes, not too mention for those involved with the company as an incentive.
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I don't really believe in people who says they are 'insiders', but if you are saying that we all should go short cos all is gonna implode. Then OK, my logic tells me the same.

I'm just scared that logic is being removed from our economies.
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Wow.... this article is very technical, but for people who don't want to read, I think this quote sums it up:

"We've now had QE2 and after that we had Operation Twist, and both of these have helped to lower long-term interest rates and boost the stock market a bit. But they're not doing anything to help the real economy. They're not doing anything for economic activity. Housing remains in a slump. Businesses are not investing. Individuals have been reluctant to spend. It helps the financial markets, and that's why they are cheering for it, but I don't think it's doing anything for real economic activity.

"The state of the economy is quite poor. There was a little burst of enthusiasm in the beginning of the year, but that's come off as job growth fell very sharply in the most recent month, as real incomes are falling, real wages are falling, house prices continue to fall, so it's not a very pretty picture. There was talk of 2 1/2% and 3% GDP growth this year, but I think we will be lucky if we get as high as 2%. Last year, we only had 1 1/2%. If you look at the first quarter of this year, while the GDP number was 2.2%, almost all of it - nearly three-quarters of it - was automobile purchases; catching up for last year's shortages of automobiles. So it doesn't suggest that there is strong consumer spending on ordinary goods and services, and certainly there isn't on construction and on business investment spending."


again...wow, but then again, I've been saying this for four years! I think this might really be it though...

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AND, he is known for being very conservative. That's why he's so closely watched. Very careful and methodical analyses.
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If you want to make money on 'the way down', here is your info.


I live and work in the land of "hedge fund heaven" and this is all these guys are talking about
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I hope everyone who capitalizes on the destruction of the economy gets lined up first against the wall when HUMANS remove greedy leeches from power.
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I agree with you. Unfortunately, they do profit from catastrophes - the sad history of money.
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OK. I'm a tard with this kind of stuff so I'm going to ask even if it sounds stupid to those of you who do understand this kind of financial doom.

If Face Book is over valued and it crashes - what will happen to FB itself? Will it go away?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12302070


No, not at all. Well, if it really goes down into pennies, maybe. It is just a wealth generation tool, for marketing and R&D and the likes, not too mention for those involved with the company as an incentive.
 Quoting: 2012Portal


It'll mean that the insiders got filthy rich(er) & the sucker stock buyers got screwed! same game, different day.

Facebook will go the way of My Space when the next fad internet social site comes along.
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who gives a fuck!
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Just got a call from a manager in SoCal wanting to know if I read Hussman's report this week.

They're all freaking at his office.


I sent him here to see what the reactions to the report were.

BTW: He thinks this site is a trip.
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who gives a fuck!
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I'd say the same thing if I were from Spain. You've got enough of your own immediate shit to deal with.

Did you read what he said about Spain?
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I hope that markets crash today I really do I'm sick of this facebook crap. Maybe I'm just crazy but that fact that bono from U2 could make a billion today makes me want to be sick.
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I second that!!
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This is a website that hedge fund and private equity managers wait for on Sunday mornings to come out.

It is not a simple read BUT very well worth the time. Time for patience in reading.

Basically the market is SO over leveraged and has lost SO much value, it is going to tank BIG TIME!


[link to www.hussman.net]


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Anybody who plays the stockmarket is a damn fool. You deserve to lose your fuckin' shirt, you stupid shit. You believe the markets are gonna make you rich? Guess again! You can't eat money,dumbass!
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This is a website that hedge fund and private equity managers wait for on Sunday mornings to come out.

It is not a simple read BUT very well worth the time. Time for patience in reading.

Basically the market is SO over leveraged and has lost SO much value, it is going to tank BIG TIME!


[link to www.hussman.net]


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 Quoting: JanJan


Good read and it just cements what is apparent on every front but the talking heads and our goverment's lies. Get your game face on cause it is gonna get ugly. I don't think it will be a "Fast and Furious" ugly but a slow boil for the sheeple...
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you mean to tell me, people are predicting a financial collapse!!! And they have websites and videos and make money off of it??

And, its going to happen....wait for it.............soon!!

Wow. Im shaking in my boots i tell ya.
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Please explain further.

If you're an insider, please offer a little more meat than these one-liners of doom.
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read the article..
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Does Hussman want all to open accounts with them or pull all out?
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read the article
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you mean to tell me, people are predicting a financial collapse!!! And they have websites and videos and make money off of it??

And, its going to happen....wait for it.............soon!!

Wow. Im shaking in my boots i tell ya.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534124


This is an insider's site for analysis. If money is being made from Hussman, it is nothing compared to what the people who use it make.

Soon as in a couple of weeks.
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they just want the suckers out to buy cheap
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I lost £12,000 this week because I went on a week long bender and didnt pay attention to the news
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This is a website that hedge fund and private equity managers wait for on Sunday mornings to come out.

It is not a simple read BUT very well worth the time. Time for patience in reading.

Basically the market is SO over leveraged and has lost SO much value, it is going to tank BIG TIME!


[link to www.hussman.net]


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 Quoting: JanJan


Anybody who plays the stockmarket is a damn fool. You deserve to lose your fuckin' shirt, you stupid shit. You believe the markets are gonna make you rich? Guess again! You can't eat money,dumbass!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3583006


Thankfully I don't 'play' the stock market. And the markets have made many people very rich, crazy ass rich.
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they just want the suckers out to buy cheap
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This is near enough always the case - I hope you trade :)
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you mean to tell me, people are predicting a financial collapse!!! And they have websites and videos and make money off of it??

And, its going to happen....wait for it.............soon!!

Wow. Im shaking in my boots i tell ya.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15534124


This is an insider's site for analysis. If money is being made from Hussman, it is nothing compared to what the people who use it make.

Soon as in a couple of weeks.
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ohhh, its an insiders site for analysis....ohh, well, that there proves it.
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The fed itself is its own primary bond holder.

The fed owns 43% of its own bonds, they inject this money that they have borrowed from themselves back in to the market. If the market takes a down turn and the fed fails to make a profit by the time these bonds mature, the value of the dollar will collapse in on itself.

That 77 billion the fed made last year barely got them by.

To put it very simply, it’s like using one credit card to pay off another credit card. That’s fine till you miss one payment then the whole thing collapses quickly.

In 2007 the fed held just 4% of its own bonds.

In 2010 the fed only owned 24% of its own bonds; this is how quickly it has gotten out of control.

Foreign banks are just waiting for our market to collapse so they can buy in cheap!


We are caught in what is known as a “third world debt trap” now that foreign governments will not buy our bonds, we have to leverage our selves, and like I said the second the market doesn’t have a return its over!
 Quoting: Chrit


The Fed doesn't issue bonds, the US Treasury does and the Fed buys them. Interest paid to the Fed gets returned to the Treasury.
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Fed has bought $1.6 trillion in bonds with QE &QE2 due to the fact no one else would buy the debt. The Debt brought on By QE & QE2 is part of the debt ceiling it, does exist. The bonds held by the Fed are literally money that the government owes to itself.


like I said in 2007 the fed owned less then 4% of the bonds, today they hold 43% of all issued bonds.


Everything changed in 2008, hard to find any link at all that I like on the subject, this one is ok.



Article:The Fed can issue non-interest bearing debt now. This is the Federal Reserve notes that we use as a medium of exchange. When the Fed buys things like Treasury bills, commercial paper, junk bonds, stocks, or many other securities, it pays by creating reserves for banks that can be cashed out, if desired, as Federal Reserve notes. The Fed has created a ton of potentially inflationary reserves lately. It is paying interest on these reserves in order to "sterilize" them, that is, prevent them from being cashed out and from being used to make an excessive amount of new loans. It's trying to save the banking system without causing inflation. It appears that the proposal to issue interest-bearing debt is a variation on this scheme.

The basic scheme that is now in place is that the Fed wishes to support security markets that are under pressure. It buys mortgage obligations, for example. The sellers deposit their checks. The Fed clears them by crediting the reserve account of the member banks making the deposits. Ordinarily, as the bank lends, the multiplicative effect of fractional-reserve banking kicks in. The money supply rises. At present, the Fed is trying to short-circuit that process by paying interest on the reserves. Their success at this manipulation will end when the banks start making loans that pay interest higher than what the Fed is offering. At that point the Fed will have to sell loans so as to drain reserves from the system, if it wishes to stem inflation. The Fed will be reluctant to do this. It has fewer Treasury bills than it used to. Its loans are too illiquid to sell. The Fed must overcome this problem or risk much higher inflation.

Enter the new scheme. The Fed issues interest-bearing debt. Whoever buys this, whether an investor or a bank, they pay with a check. When it clears, some bank's reserves decline. This absorbs reserves and/or cash from the system. The banks, for example, use their reserves to buy the Fed's debt. It carries a higher interest rate than what the Fed pays on the short-term reserve accounts. This deters the banking system from using all those reserves in an inflationary manner. In short, the Fed is re-financing the liability side of its balance sheet. It is converting short-term debt (bank reserves) into long-term debt (its own bonds.) By funding its troubled assets with long-term debt, the Fed signals that it intends to hold these assets for a long time. It is now thinking about funding these long-term assets with long-term debt. The banking system is being induced to convert short-term liquid reserves into long-term Federal Reserve bonds.

The big picture here is something like this. The banking system has a lot of lousy loans on its books. It didn't mark them all down or fully because that would reveal that many banks are insolvent. They would need to be re-organized. The insolvent banks didn't want this done. The Fed rode to the rescue by exchanging its good securities for bad loans from the banks — some of them, not all. Meanwhile, bad loans began to crop up elsewhere in the system. The Fed took on some of those too. In the process, it has created far too high a level of bank reserves, a level that is highly inflationary if put to work making new loans. By issuing long-term debt, the Fed would complete the process it began. The banks would now have as assets the better securities the Fed loaned them plus they would have Federal Reserve bonds.

As for the Fed, its balance sheet would now carry as assets many troubled loans that the banks once held. On the liability side, the Fed would have issued its own bonds. Its financial leverage would have increased dramatically even as its asset quality decreased dramatically. Some of the shakiness of the banking system would be transported into shakiness of the Fed as a bank. This would not resolve all the problems because the total amount of shaky debt in the system, in the U.S. and worldwide, is so great that the Fed can absorb only a small fraction of it.

An interesting thing to wonder about is the risk of the Fed's bonds. The riskiness of liabilities derives from the riskiness of assets. Since the Fed has taken on numerous questionable loans (and refuses to be transparent about those loans), its assets have risen in risk as compared to when it held mainly Treasury bills. If the cash flows of the Fed's bonds are to be serviced by the cash flows of these assets, then those bonds will not be risk-free. But the Fed has the power to buy any security it wants to. It can buy its own bonds in the market and support the price (although this raises bank reserves and defeats the purpose of the bonds). It can make them risk-free, although this is unlikely.

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