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URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984

 
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URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
URANUS IN WAXING SQUARE TO PLUTO: 2012-2015 [link to www.mmacycles.com] Longer-Term Thoughts


“… unless current law is amended before year end, the stock market has to fall at least 30 percent.” – Donald Luskin, Wall Street Journal “The 2013 Fiscal Cliff Could Crush Stocks,” May 5, 2012.


Are you ready for the first quarter phase of the 112-142 year Uranus-Pluto cycle?


This is the big one and it is the first time these two planets have been in a square aspect since 1931-1934. It will make its first of seven passages on June 24, 2012. It will make its seventh and final passage on March 17, 2015. It has already been within 1 degree of its exact square in late July through early August of last summer. You may remember that was when the USA Congress and the White House struggled to finally agree on lifting the nation’s debt ceiling limit above $14 trillion. This was immediately followed by the first downgrade ever of the USA’s credit worthiness by the S&P rating agency. Several European nations have had their credit rating downgraded even more than one notch this year, so this planetary powerful is alive and well and doing what Financial and Mundane Astrologers would expect from it: good credit is hard to find, bad credit and debt is everywhere. And the next debt ceiling will arrive before the Presidential Election in early November. Things don’t get any easier in the heavens between now and then.


Pluto represents “debt” and Uranus signifies “explosion,” and the world is certainly undergoing the “debt explosion” now, and will be experiencing its consequences for the next couple of years, and perhaps even into 2020 when Saturn will finally conjunct Pluto and start a new cycle of fiscal behavior – usually a more responsible financial behavior.


Pluto also rules banks, and in hard aspect to Uranus, it can coincide with runs on banks. Last week witnessed bank runs in Greece and Spain, as hundreds (maybe thousands) of people withdrew their deposits back from banks to the tune of nearly $1 trillion.


Pluto also rules taxes, and as politically astute individuals are aware, capital gains taxes in the USA are set to double in January 2013 and taxes on dividends will nearly triple – as in “cripple” the stock market. To avoid those higher taxes, investors and holders of dividend paying stocks will need to sell out by the end of this year. That too may be playing a role as to why so many stock indices are falling now. Now one wants to get caught in the stampede that will surely happen by the end of this year if the proposed changes in these taxes are not repealed. Contrary to faulty logic, these taxes will not bring in more revenues. They will just escalate the financial crisis and lead to a massive sell off in stocks, which in turn means a massive loss of wealth for both the nation in terms of lost tax revenues (not gains) and for businesses that need investors to provide capital for them to produce goods and hire - instead of fire - employees. I know this is not a popular thought in today’s class warfare climate, but it is reality.


Given that Uranus will be in the early stages of its seven passage square to Pluto at the end of this year, it would be unwise to assume that the new taxes that are due to commence will be repealed. Of course, one can always “hope for change,” hope for understanding to avoid the crush that is about to befall stock markets otherwise. But with Uranus and Pluto, I can’t think of more telling geocosmic signature that could pertain to bank runs and a stampede to exit financial markets and institutions. But let’s not be totally negative. Miracles do happen, and changes do take place whenever Uranus is involved in any relationship to other planets – even Pluto. It all depends on choices, and the intention behind those choices. Is it personal power (Pluto) or collective freedom (Uranus) that lead to these decisions?


We need more miracles – any miracle – out of Washington D.C., and fewer grievances, before January 1, 2013. Otherwise we are going to know what a lemming feels like at the end of its cycle. There is a cliff approaching for those in stocks who follow leaders who are lost and don’t know the way in regards to the economy, and perhaps too proud or stubborn to admit it. Words do matter, for they can inspire and provide hope. But so do numbers, which if understood and not manipulated for personal bias, can lead one to correct actions that result in growth. [link to www.mmacycles.com]

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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
We are not prepared for this... hiding
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Still in shock? No one to discuss it?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
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Oh Great One, explain how raising taxes WIL NOT bring in more revenue?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
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Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
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For me this can include Big revolts and big quakes too...
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


The markets are highly controlled, what will happen, is what the controllers want to happen...

However, on the civil side - what will happen is beyond their control... Pluto is generally considered the ruler of behind the scenes manipulations and dark deeds, that it is being squared by uranus, I think, will bring the rats in to the open...
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
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For me this can include Big revolts and big quakes too...
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I agree, it is going to be a volatile ride...
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Thank's!hf
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
This is interesting too... Thread: Very rare Occultation to the Sun on June 6-7 (that’s like Venus eclipsing the Sun)!!!
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We can only speculate on whay might occur...

But, for certain these events bring about changes, and they are not random events...They are intelligent design to keep this galaxy game moving and us experiencing...
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We can only speculate on whay might occur...

But, for certain these events bring about changes, and they are not random events...They are intelligent design to keep this galaxy game moving and us experiencing...
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ohyeah
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We are not prepared for this... hiding
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PLAIN TRUTH SPOKEN WELL !!!!
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


The markets are highly controlled, what will happen, is what the controllers want to happen...

However, on the civil side - what will happen is beyond their control... Pluto is generally considered the ruler of behind the scenes manipulations and dark deeds, that it is being squared by uranus, I think, will bring the rats in to the open...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


They are controlled,
BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN JP MORON'S LOSSES THEN!!!
THEY ARE THE INSIDE PLAYER !!!!!!
PLUTO AND URANUS ARE KICKING JAMIE DIMON'S ASS-ETS
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


The markets are highly controlled, what will happen, is what the controllers want to happen...

However, on the civil side - what will happen is beyond their control... Pluto is generally considered the ruler of behind the scenes manipulations and dark deeds, that it is being squared by uranus, I think, will bring the rats in to the open...
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I don't agree that controllers will win... this time they will lose! Financial system will finished!
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Very interesting. I'm more intrigued by the fact Neptune is in Pisces and soon gonna sextile Pluto. Will the hard truth come out? Or will we finally stop sugar coating everything?!
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


For me this can include Big revolts and big quakes too...
 Quoting: Luisport


Pair this with the solar eclipse Sunday and some solar instability .. and the chance of a large quake(s) become MUCH MORE LIKELY...into Sunday and Monday May 20th and 21st....
ESPECIALLY THE 21ST.......
JAPAN
PACIFIC NORTHWEST
ATLANTIC RIDGE
MIDWEST USA

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wild-card fault ????eqahhh1dpanic
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


The markets are highly controlled, what will happen, is what the controllers want to happen...

However, on the civil side - what will happen is beyond their control... Pluto is generally considered the ruler of behind the scenes manipulations and dark deeds, that it is being squared by uranus, I think, will bring the rats in to the open...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


They are controlled,
BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN JP MORON'S LOSSES THEN!!!
THEY ARE THE INSIDE PLAYER !!!!!!
PLUTO AND URANUS ARE KICKING JAMIE DIMON'S ASS-ETS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16156877


I cannot explain what goes on with these companies - except to say, it is an Alice In Wonderland Game...What you think is up, is actually down...

When you look at accounting, there are no profits or losses, just a shifting from one place to another...
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The square aspects are interesting, and will effect us in many ways...

The financial aspects could be issues, but, these planetary transits effect far more important things then money...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


Yes it's true. This is a financial forecast, that's why i think it's interesting to discuss this. What do you think it will happen?
 Quoting: Luisport


The markets are highly controlled, what will happen, is what the controllers want to happen...

However, on the civil side - what will happen is beyond their control... Pluto is generally considered the ruler of behind the scenes manipulations and dark deeds, that it is being squared by uranus, I think, will bring the rats in to the open...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16310500


I don't agree that controllers will win... this time they will lose! Financial system will finished!
 Quoting: Luisport


The financial system could very well be finished, but, I can assure you - it will be a designed, controlled demolition...

But, with the dark deeds being exposed, it could be the controllers demolition as well...
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Controlled demolitions are just another way of saying it will fall chaotically with out drastic intervention that may not work as planned.
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Controlled demolitions are just another way of saying it will fall chaotically with out drastic intervention that may not work as planned.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


chaos by design...

In order to finally bring in a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, everything has to appear to be chaos...The people will then demand and welcome the one world government...

It has been moving in this direction for some time - now is the final push...
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I have Mercury , venus, and Mars in a fire sign opposing pluto


Its just a random coincidence i'm sure ....
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I have Mercury , venus, and Mars in a fire sign opposing pluto


Its just a random coincidence i'm sure ....
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Not random, intelligent design!!
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I have Mercury , venus, and Mars in a fire sign opposing pluto


Its just a random coincidence i'm sure ....
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Not random, intelligent design!!
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yodahf
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Very interesting. I'm more intrigued by the fact Neptune is in Pisces and soon gonna sextile Pluto. Will the hard truth come out? Or will we finally stop sugar coating everything?!
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And Neptune is turning retrograde...
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
I have Mercury , venus, and Mars in a fire sign opposing pluto


Its just a random coincidence i'm sure ....
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Not random, intelligent design!!
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bump
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Very interesting. I'm more intrigued by the fact Neptune is in Pisces and soon gonna sextile Pluto. Will the hard truth come out? Or will we finally stop sugar coating everything?!
 Quoting: Turpentine


And Neptune is turning retrograde...
 Quoting: Luisport



Yes, but wouldn't Neptune going retrograde provide opportunity for more grounded thought?

Or, is Neptune's dreaminess just heightened and/or convoluted while retrograde?

Lol, and if you can't tell I likely barely know what I'm talking about to even ask a question. Is this the wrong way to interpret Neptune retrograde?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
More on the Pluto entering Capricorn discussion..

From the discussion on the Pluto in Capricorn discussion, the matter of Patricide , or the killing of one’s Father . Is that where we are going?

Is this new Generation X going to kill off [ in a manner of speaking] and destroy the greedy self centered Baby Boom Generation. The generation that keeps electing these old farts to public office even though they have proven time and time again that they only serve their own personal interest, or the interest of those from whom they can profit most from. This the Generation that raped the planet, destroyed self dependence, imbuing the masses with the need for dependence on anyone but self.. That destroyed the family, the church, beliefs, again anything sacred personal or private.

For a millennia the Father was revered, was the person that set the example for the youth to follow, to revere to look up to. It is with this knowledge that with heavy heart we must look ourselves squarely in the eye, see the error of our ways, and resolve to either fix that which is broken or to get the H E L L out of the way and let the new generation get a foot hold into this mess or we W I L L suffer the horrible consequence I fear..

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A new accountable corporate culture.

While during the Sagittarian period, genocide involving the mass killing by those of those of one culture by those of another featured in Bosnia. Fatherhood and patricide will become an important issue to feature in some way.

So we are moving from theory to practice, from philosophy to skepticism, from benign idealism to honest self-interest and from excess to economy. In this world the slow tortoise will surpass the haphazard hare.

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