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URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984

 
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Stock markets around the world are starting to react to the devastating consequences of the world wide debt explosion, as anticipated by the approaching Uranus-Pluto waxing squarer aspect that begins its first of seven passages this month, June 2012. It would be one thing to say, “I told you so,” for surely those of you who have been reading this column over the past year are fully aware that this 33-month geocosmic signature will be in effect June 2012-March 2015. You know that these two planetary powerhouses came within 1 degree of exactness last July-August, 2011, when the agonizing compromise to finally raise the USA debt ceiling was finally passed, only to be followed by the first downgrade of the USA triple A credit rating in its history by S&P’s rating agency the next week. Stock markets around the world plummeted.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Truly, there are no safe, risk-free investments available anywhere, for the first time in generations. Oh, you will hear more than usual amount of hype for “deals of the century,” but that only points out the increase of scams that will be thrown at people who still have money but don’t know what to do with it (you know, the 1% who are about to be hit with massive taxes, along with the rest of us, a fact that is equally behind this meltdown that is underway).... like Facebook? ohyeah
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The key is to “protect your capital,” which is the mantra anyway when Saturn is in its waning phase to Pluto (2001-2020). ...
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Gold has no where to go but up in the long-term as long as currency markets are unstable. And the European currencies are indeed unstable as Europe struggles to find a way to support the banks of the Euro Zone and prevent potential bank runs in some of its member nations. Its all part of the last eight years of the Saturn-Pluto waning phase, and especially strong now that Uranus (planet of crisis) will enter into an exact square to Pluto (planet of death, debt, and rebirth)....
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The most heavily populated time band of some of the most powerful geocosmic signatures of 2012 will take place June 23-29, including the first passage of Uranus in waxing square to Pluto, Venus and Saturn both turning direct, and Jupiter in a waxing square to Neptune. These are the kind of signatures that can correspond to a market meltdown.... hiding
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Prior to that, we have quite a setup developing this week (and the next week) too. On Monday, June 4, there is a lunar eclipse, with Venus retrograde square Mars, and Neptune turning retrograde. It is a time of potential hysteria, and a challenge to find the truth about accusations that will be thrust upon unsuspecting parties. It is a strange time for love – lots of activity, but who can you trust? On Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning, Venus will make its very rare occultation (eclipse) with the Sun. The past two times this happened were 1761-1769, and 1874-1882 (in the midst of the last Uranus-Pluto in waxing square, and the longest economic depression in the history of the USA). It happens in pairs that are 8 years apart. The first part of this pairing occurred in June 2004.This is the second part of that pairing.



On Thursday, June 7, the Sun will form a combative square to Mars. The following Monday, June 11, Jupiter will begin its one-year sojourn through Gemini, while Mercury forms a T-square to the Uranus-Pluto square, This is yet another signature of a potential “plunge” day for stocks, and another preview of what to expect during the entire Uranus-Pluto square of June 24, 2012 through March 17, 2015....
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so... no one to comment?
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Pluto also signifies an emergence from the dead as reborn -
so simultaneously while things are dying - something else will begin its emergence...

definitely new government structure...

but with the energies of the galactic center influencing the climate - its really not going to be what people "dread" it to be.
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We are not prepared for this... hiding
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of course we are
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Pluto also signifies an emergence from the dead as reborn -
so simultaneously while things are dying - something else will begin its emergence...

definitely new government structure...

but with the energies of the galactic center influencing the climate - its really not going to be what people "dread" it to be.
 Quoting: The Great Mother


I agree, but it's not possible to predict what will emerge.
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...it appears that world stock markets want to go up. However, whenever Uranus is involved, financial markets can do things that very few traders or analysts anticipate, and this can happen very suddenly. Three things are characteristic of markets then. First, they could reverse. Second, they could break above resistance in a torrid rally higher and faster than anyone thought. Third, they could break below support and fall much further and faster than anyone thought (except, perhaps those who study Financial Astrology or other systems that indicate this possibility so strongly in the next two weeks). ... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
...all of the geocosmic factors unfolding this week are simply a prelude for the following week. In fact, it will be a challenge to describe all of the possibilities that could happen June 23-29, and even a week or two before and after, for planetary patterns of this type don’t often complete their correspondence to human activity until well after the cosmic event. This time band begins with a gentle Sun-Neptune trine aspect on Saturday, June 23. This aspect has actually a rather strong correlation to reversals in stock prices within 10 trading days. But its symbolism is very modest in comparison to what happens the next day, June 24, when the first passage of the Uranus-Pluto waxing square unfolds. This column has been describing the explosive quality of this combination for the past several months, even years. There is nothing in astrology that even remotely conveys the possibility of social unrest and political upheaval in the world as Uranus and Pluto in a hard aspect. The last time they were in a hard aspect (conjunction) to one another was in 1965-1966. The time before that was 1931-1934 (waning square). As stated, this is only the first passage this time around. Due to their retrograde motions, they will make seven passes in all, lasting through March 17, 2015. It would be unusual to see something explosive break out next week on just the first passage, but due to the other powerful geocosmic signatures in effect June 23-29, it is certainly possible.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
The financial system could very well be finished, but, I can assure you - it will be a designed, controlled demolition...
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I'm not so sure. One thing that the Uranus-Pluto square is likely to do is to prove false the notion that Man has things under control.
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The financial system could very well be finished, but, I can assure you - it will be a designed, controlled demolition...
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I'm not so sure. One thing that the Uranus-Pluto square is likely to do is to prove false the notion that Man has things under control.
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The thing Uranus is a master is to provoke chaos!
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With a Uranus-Pluto square looming before us, one will seldom go wrong betting on chaos, system failures, and harsh changes, and will seldom go right betting on the continuation of the status quo.

Therefore the Greek election this weekend is much more likely to increase than decrease instability in the Eurozone.
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
With a Uranus-Pluto square looming before us, one will seldom go wrong betting on chaos, system failures, and harsh changes, and will seldom go right betting on the continuation of the status quo.

Therefore the Greek election this weekend is much more likely to increase than decrease instability in the Eurozone.
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The following day – Monday, June 25 - Jupiter will form a waxing square to Neptune and Saturn will turn direct. Both of these are Level 1 geocosmic signatures, which means they have very high (70% or greater) correlations to primary or greater cycles in stock markets within 9 and 11 trading days respectively. These are two contradictory principles, which make the interpretation of this period so challenging. Jupiter-Neptune is oftentimes “irrationally exuberant,” while Saturn stationary is usually “irrationally pessimistic” or worried. When they occur together, “irrational exuberance” could morph into hysteria and loss of control. With Uranus present in its square to Pluto, the danger is a “panic” if cool heads don’t prevail.
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“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
 Quoting: Luisport


There are very few telling the truth on this website! America, or the USA, represents the "spirit of antichrist"!
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“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
 Quoting: Luisport


There are very few telling the truth on this website! America, or the USA, represents the "spirit of antichrist"!
 Quoting: LanMan


There are good people and bad people everywere!
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Uranus SQUARS Pluto - June 26 EXACT.
Be KIND to your family and friends during this week.
Be calm, take a breath and hold you words... think twice.
Handle your relattionships with care.

Uranus represents change, invention, revolution and higher awareness, it’s effect is shocking, unpredictable and erratic. Pluto represents globalization, destruction, transformation and renewal, it’s effect is grinding, ruthless and extreme.

The last series of squares Uranus / Pluto was between 1932 and 1934, with five exact hits. We can look to the 1930's for the effects; the Great Depression, political issues, stock market crash, food lines, the lack of jobs, social upheaval and the rise of dictators and extremism.

This square may be seen as history repeating.
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Uranus SQUARS Pluto - June 26 EXACT.
Be KIND to your family and friends during this week.
Be calm, take a breath and hold you words... think twice.
Handle your relattionships with care.

Uranus represents change, invention, revolution and higher awareness, it’s effect is shocking, unpredictable and erratic. Pluto represents globalization, destruction, transformation and renewal, it’s effect is grinding, ruthless and extreme.

The last series of squares Uranus / Pluto was between 1932 and 1934, with five exact hits. We can look to the 1930's for the effects; the Great Depression, political issues, stock market crash, food lines, the lack of jobs, social upheaval and the rise of dictators and extremism.

This square may be seen as history repeating.
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Good one! Thank's!hf
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Longer-Term Thoughts


“… unless current law is amended before year end, the stock market has to fall at least 30 percent.” – Donald Luskin, Wall Street Journal “The 2013 Fiscal Cliff Could Crush Stocks,” May 5, 2012.


Are you ready for the first quarter phase of the 112-142 year Uranus-Pluto cycle?


This is the big one and it is the first time these two planets have been in a square aspect since 1931-1934. It will make its first of seven passages on June 24, 2012. It will make its seventh and final passage on March 17, 2015. It has already been within 1 degree of its exact square in late July through early August of last summer. You may remember that was when the USA Congress and the White House struggled to finally agree on lifting the nation’s debt ceiling limit above $14 trillion. This was immediately followed by the first downgrade ever of the USA’s credit worthiness by the S&P rating agency. Several European nations have had their credit rating downgraded even more than one notch this year, so this planetary powerful is alive and well and doing what Financial and Mundane Astrologers would expect from it: good credit is hard to find, bad credit and debt is everywhere. And the next debt ceiling will arrive before the Presidential Election in early November. Things don’t get any easier in the heavens between now and then.


Pluto represents “debt” and Uranus signifies “explosion,” and the world is certainly undergoing the “debt explosion” now, and will be experiencing its consequences for the next couple of years, and perhaps even into 2020 when Saturn will finally conjunct Pluto and start a new cycle of fiscal behavior – usually a more responsible financial behavior.


Pluto also rules banks, and in hard aspect to Uranus, it can coincide with runs on banks. Last week witnessed bank runs in Greece and Spain, as hundreds (maybe thousands) of people withdrew their deposits back from banks to the tune of nearly $1 trillion.


Pluto also rules taxes, and as politically astute individuals are aware, capital gains taxes in the USA are set to double in January 2013 and taxes on dividends will nearly triple – as in “cripple” the stock market. To avoid those higher taxes, investors and holders of dividend paying stocks will need to sell out by the end of this year. That too may be playing a role as to why so many stock indices are falling now. Now one wants to get caught in the stampede that will surely happen by the end of this year if the proposed changes in these taxes are not repealed. Contrary to faulty logic, these taxes will not bring in more revenues. They will just escalate the financial crisis and lead to a massive sell off in stocks, which in turn means a massive loss of wealth for both the nation in terms of lost tax revenues (not gains) and for businesses that need investors to provide capital for them to produce goods and hire - instead of fire - employees. I know this is not a popular thought in today’s class warfare climate, but it is reality.


Given that Uranus will be in the early stages of its seven passage square to Pluto at the end of this year, it would be unwise to assume that the new taxes that are due to commence will be repealed. Of course, one can always “hope for change,” hope for understanding to avoid the crush that is about to befall stock markets otherwise. But with Uranus and Pluto, I can’t think of more telling geocosmic signature that could pertain to bank runs and a stampede to exit financial markets and institutions. But let’s not be totally negative. Miracles do happen, and changes do take place whenever Uranus is involved in any relationship to other planets – even Pluto. It all depends on choices, and the intention behind those choices. Is it personal power (Pluto) or collective freedom (Uranus) that lead to these decisions?


We need more miracles – any miracle – out of Washington D.C., and fewer grievances, before January 1, 2013. Otherwise we are going to know what a lemming feels like at the end of its cycle. There is a cliff approaching for those in stocks who follow leaders who are lost and don’t know the way in regards to the economy, and perhaps too proud or stubborn to admit it. Words do matter, for they can inspire and provide hope. But so do numbers, which if understood and not manipulated for personal bias, can lead one to correct actions that result in growth. [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
...all of the geocosmic factors unfolding this week are simply a prelude for the following week. In fact, it will be a challenge to describe all of the possibilities that could happen June 23-29, and even a week or two before and after, for planetary patterns of this type don’t often complete their correspondence to human activity until well after the cosmic event. This time band begins with a gentle Sun-Neptune trine aspect on Saturday, June 23. This aspect has actually a rather strong correlation to reversals in stock prices within 10 trading days. But its symbolism is very modest in comparison to what happens the next day, June 24, when the first passage of the Uranus-Pluto waxing square unfolds. This column has been describing the explosive quality of this combination for the past several months, even years. There is nothing in astrology that even remotely conveys the possibility of social unrest and political upheaval in the world as Uranus and Pluto in a hard aspect. The last time they were in a hard aspect (conjunction) to one another was in 1965-1966. The time before that was 1931-1934 (waning square). As stated, this is only the first passage this time around. Due to their retrograde motions, they will make seven passes in all, lasting through March 17, 2015. It would be unusual to see something explosive break out next week on just the first passage, but due to the other powerful geocosmic signatures in effect June 23-29, it is certainly possible.... [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Pluto rules death, control, corruption, cancer, the mafia, the underworld, secrecy things and that destroy from within, under and unseen

Capricorn rules Age, old, money, leadership, government, banking, money.

At Odd with

Uranus rules explosions,the unexpected, unpredictable, rebellion, humanity

Aries rules The military, war, beginnings, pioneering adventures, pushing things through

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Destruction of the dollar from a corrupt government banking mafia.... versus... A rebellious population seeking new ways to destroy the Old system that wants to enslave them
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After what happened last week, there can be little doubt that this Uranus-Pluto waxing square is going to be like wrestling alligators. This signature is active and already very apparent, much to the dismay of those who may wish to believe that Financial Astrology is nothing more than mere superstition, fortune-telling, or entertainment-only. [link to www.mmacycles.com]
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Re: URANUS SQUARE PLUTO DISCUSSION... “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
Pluto isnt even a planet, that throws your horoscope right off

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