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Everyone's a mind reader but you

 
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if we all just calmed down, interacting in the noosphere became a piece of cake.
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I'm calm. Their noosphere is not where I care to be. I am a part of essential being; that is, the connectivity "they" are attempting to eliminate or block within all of mankind.
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jerkit jerkit jerkit Op, I jizz all over your hive mind, I don't need it, the other "non-readers" on this thread don't need it.

The heart can't be controlled by another thats what really matters imho.
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I understand, it's a frustrating reality to accept. And the fact that no one is allowed to talk about it makes it even more frustrating.

As far as the heart goes, is their an easier way to manipulate the mind than with emotions? Unless you mean something else by heart?
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Non-readers aren't exactly the ones pioneering their own crutch but it does seem that way. They are being guided by readers in their efforts and the idea that non-readers are creating it is an illusion.

Non-readers will never know the truth if they fully embrace the artificial noosphere.

For readers it will be simialar to how the internet and other external communication devices currently interface with the natural noosphere. They will be required to focus on the artificial and less on the natural. This is convenient for many readers as some prefer the privacy of using mental blocks and other modes of communication. As this happens they lose motivation to expand their abilities and will accept further artificial upgrades.
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I would seem that Exiled Reader and Arbitrary Walls, the two readers here, have different opinions on the nature of the incipient artificial noosphere. As a nonreader I suspect that nonreaders are more like experimental rats in the development of this articial noosphere than true codesigners or even minor participants in its design. Whether we're talking about the nanobotic prototype or the end product, there is no such thing as informed consent wrt to participation in any noosphere. that's the nature of the beast.
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As a result of being exiled at different times and having different levels of awareness of the Hierarchy's various agendas, I think we have different perspectives on the nature of the developing tech. As far as most readers know there is no public experimentation occurring using nanotech or frequency and sound devices. If the majority of readers did know then they probably wouldn’t stand for it. Most readers are led to believe that the artificial noosphere is being created with good intentions. In fact it is only certain factions of the Hierarchy of Heads who want to use the artificial sphere for power and control.

Most readers are waiting for some kind of obvious new technology to be released. Many are expecting to see a new type of device that can be attached to people like eye glasses linked to the internet or something. Most readers do believe that it is still a generation or two away before this tech is released to the public but from what I understand the time will come much sooner.

While they will release a device that is seen as a “crutch” the Hierarchy will actually be using other tech on people at the same time. When the full scope of the artificial sphere is implemented, the mechanisms by which it operates will be shrouded in secrecy. People may believe they are just wearing glasses that link them to the artificial sphere but there will be other mechanisms at work that sync one’s biorhythms to the machinery, such as nanotech or other undetectable devices. After time and acquired dependency, readers will be convinced of the superiority of the artificial sphere and will give up on furthering the development of their natural abilities.

Non-readers are definitely lab rats in the experiment as opposed to co-designers but they are the primary focus of consumer research and data mining, so in that respect the information and opinions they share help co-create the artificial sphere.
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Umm ... I haven't had any of these "designing" readers ask me my opinion. You make it sound so benign when all of it is totally covert and underhanded. They just want to know what works and what does not work for their purposes not our benefit. But you're right about two things - they are much further along than even you think and the shroud of secrecy. Just what truth are they hiding? When there's no transparency, there's no accountability.
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They don't need to ask. The internet is like one big focus group and everything you do online goes into their consumer research.
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jerkit jerkit jerkit Op, I jizz all over your hive mind, I don't need it, the other "non-readers" on this thread don't need it.

The heart can't be controlled by another thats what really matters imho.
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Whoa! That which I just wrote has almost evil dark satanic qualities.

I'm sorry.

sorry cry cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


lol, no worries.

I wasn't thinking of it as having dark satanic qualities, but I'm wondering if your relating it to being dark and satanic comes from some level of hive mind programming?

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jerkit jerkit jerkit Op, I jizz all over your hive mind, I don't need it, the other "non-readers" on this thread don't need it.

The heart can't be controlled by another thats what really matters imho.
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Whoa! That which I just wrote has almost evil dark satanic qualities.

I'm sorry.

sorry cry cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


lol, no worries.

I wasn't thinking of it as having dark satanic qualities, but I'm wondering if your relating it to being dark and satanic comes from religious indoctrination and hive mind programming?
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Why would the noosphere or hive mind want itself to be seen as having "dark satanic qualities" by creating programs for that?
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jerkit jerkit jerkit Op, I jizz all over your hive mind, I don't need it, the other "non-readers" on this thread don't need it.

The heart can't be controlled by another thats what really matters imho.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


I understand, it's a frustrating reality to accept. And the fact that no one is allowed to talk about it makes it even more frustrating.

As far as the heart goes, is their an easier way to manipulate the mind than with emotions? Unless you mean something else by heart?
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Break the heart. Destroy it. Eliminate it. Put whatever you want into the shell that remains. Emotional manipulation is very exhausting and time consuming afterall. Break the tie to essential being. That's what they are trying to do.
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remove identification with thought and emotion. problem gone.
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live in the now.



past and future are only concepts you are thinking about now.




its always now.




the past is gone.


the future didnt happen yet.





accept this moment fully.
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By mind reader I mean that people are aware of an internet-like connection between each other which they use to share information. Most people are aware of this, even people you might consider of less intelligence than yourself. You'd be very surprised at just how many people are in on this.

You've had the sense that everyone is in on something but you couldnt' put your ifnger on it. It seems at times that people know things about you they couldn't possibly know.

but why hasn't any one told you?

No one is allowed to talk about it. People can only communicate about it with their mental connection. Around age 12 or so is the time when people become fully aware of this ability then other people, usually family, are the ones to let them in on it so they don't think they are going crazy. When one becomes aware, that person also becomes fully aware of the cardinal rule that they can never ever talk about this ability. The consequence of talking about this ability is that the connection will be severed and they will be forced to live like the people who aren't aware, such as yourself, and will be limited to the lower forms of communication.

The reason why this can never be spoken about or written about or communicated in any other way than through the connection is because it will absolutely stunt the growth of the younger people who are just becoming aware of it. One can only become aware of the connection through the connection, if someone tells them verbally then their growth will be stunted and they will be reliant on verbal communication to learn more about it.

There's a hierarchy in the nousphere as well. Seemingly normal people of different occupations and positions might have a place of power in the hierachy of this mental landscape. They refer to the top as the Head Master. He's some businessman in switzerland.

but then why am I telling you?

I had a friend who I grew up with who wasn't let in on the secret. Over the years we grew apart, as people who aren't aware are usually avoided and treated like outcasts. So, to make a long story short I felt bad one day that this old friend was living his life without knowing about this so I decided to try and tell him about it, thinking maybe I could quiet my mind in a way that others in the nousphere couldn't hear. Well, I went on to explain it to my friend, who is now completely insane since i've told him, and the Headmaster shut me down. It was like a deafening ringing sound in my ears for several minutes and suddenly my connection with everyone in the nousphere was gone. I'm one of only 15 or so people in the last 50 years who have been so careless believe it or not.

Since then I've decided to tell others who aren't aware beacuse if you aren't by now then you probably won't ever be told. People who are aware will attempt to debunk this because they are gatekeepers to the nousephere.
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OP, how is your book coming along?
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jerkit jerkit jerkit Op, I jizz all over your hive mind, I don't need it, the other "non-readers" on this thread don't need it.

The heart can't be controlled by another thats what really matters imho.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


Whoa! That which I just wrote has almost evil dark satanic qualities.

I'm sorry.

sorry cry cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


lol, no worries.

I wasn't thinking of it as having dark satanic qualities, but I'm wondering if your relating it to being dark and satanic comes from religious indoctrination and hive mind programming?
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Why would the noosphere or hive mind want itself to be seen as having "dark satanic qualities" by creating programs for that?
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I may have misread but I thought AC 24612317 was saying that his frustrated response quoted above, to learning about the hive mind of readers, was dark and satanic. Not that the hive itself is dark and satanic. The programs are used to protect the hive against adversarial responses.
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OP, how is your book coming along?
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Thanks for asking! It's coming along despite all of the efforts to prevent me from finishing.
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Whoa! That which I just wrote has almost evil dark satanic qualities.

I'm sorry.

sorry cry cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24612317


lol, no worries.

I wasn't thinking of it as having dark satanic qualities, but I'm wondering if your relating it to being dark and satanic comes from religious indoctrination and hive mind programming?
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Why would the noosphere or hive mind want itself to be seen as having "dark satanic qualities" by creating programs for that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26081077


I may have misread but I thought AC 24612317 was saying that his frustrated response quoted above, to learning about the hive mind of readers, was dark and satanic. Not that the hive itself is dark and satanic. The programs are used to protect the hive against adversarial responses.
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Also, I don't mean to be offensive. Some might view it as insulting for me to refer to someone's religious beliefs as hive mind programming. I was only speculating. I too still deal with old programming, guilt mainly, sometimes wondering if I should have just kept silent on the issue.
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lol, no worries.

I wasn't thinking of it as having dark satanic qualities, but I'm wondering if your relating it to being dark and satanic comes from religious indoctrination and hive mind programming?
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Why would the noosphere or hive mind want itself to be seen as having "dark satanic qualities" by creating programs for that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26081077


I may have misread but I thought AC 24612317 was saying that his frustrated response quoted above, to learning about the hive mind of readers, was dark and satanic. Not that the hive itself is dark and satanic. The programs are used to protect the hive against adversarial responses.
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Also, I don't mean to be offensive. Some might view it as insulting for me to refer to someone's religious beliefs as hive mind programming. I was only speculating. I too still deal with old programming, guilt mainly, sometimes wondering if I should have just kept silent on the issue.
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I'm glad you're speaking out. There's no reason for this to be secret. I simply don't buy into the talking about it will interfere with its development rationale. My feeling is that this secret is merely the tip of the iceberg of secrets. It's like a test. If you can't keep this one, you canot be trusted with the real secrets. You still see it as all very benign. Why is talking about it such a threat to the hive? Why would they attempt to block your completion of a book if they can so easily block its ideas with their mind control programs?
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Why would the noosphere or hive mind want itself to be seen as having "dark satanic qualities" by creating programs for that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26081077


I may have misread but I thought AC 24612317 was saying that his frustrated response quoted above, to learning about the hive mind of readers, was dark and satanic. Not that the hive itself is dark and satanic. The programs are used to protect the hive against adversarial responses.
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Also, I don't mean to be offensive. Some might view it as insulting for me to refer to someone's religious beliefs as hive mind programming. I was only speculating. I too still deal with old programming, guilt mainly, sometimes wondering if I should have just kept silent on the issue.
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I'm glad you're speaking out. There's no reason for this to be secret. I simply don't buy into the talking about it will interfere with its development rationale. My feeling is that this secret is merely the tip of the iceberg of secrets. It's like a test. If you can't keep this one, you canot be trusted with the real secrets. You still see it as all very benign. Why is talking about it such a threat to the hive? Why would they attempt to block your completion of a book if they can so easily block its ideas with their mind control programs?
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Thank you, I think it's important that this is spoken about outside of the connection. Believe it or not there is something to the development rationale but it
's not as extreme as they make it out to be and at the same time it is a convenient cover for their deeper secrets. It is definitely the tip of the ice berg, and understanding this first secret helps to understand the others. It's a great cover for them. When you are so used to never speaking about it you have a hard time finding the right words or articulating the experience to non-readers if you ever do choose to speak about it.

You ask why talking about it is such a threat? They are control freaks. They claim they are protecting the development of the young and sanity of non-readers but that's just their way of guarding the gates, controlling who is let in and who isn't.

As far as blocking my efforts, it's mainly about stealing my energy but it's also to prove a point by making me an example of what happens to someone who speaks out. For the most part they are confident that non-readers will stay locked in their programs.
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I may have misread but I thought AC 24612317 was saying that his frustrated response quoted above, to learning about the hive mind of readers, was dark and satanic. Not that the hive itself is dark and satanic. The programs are used to protect the hive against adversarial responses.
 Quoting: ExiledReader


Also, I don't mean to be offensive. Some might view it as insulting for me to refer to someone's religious beliefs as hive mind programming. I was only speculating. I too still deal with old programming, guilt mainly, sometimes wondering if I should have just kept silent on the issue.
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I'm glad you're speaking out. There's no reason for this to be secret. I simply don't buy into the talking about it will interfere with its development rationale. My feeling is that this secret is merely the tip of the iceberg of secrets. It's like a test. If you can't keep this one, you canot be trusted with the real secrets. You still see it as all very benign. Why is talking about it such a threat to the hive? Why would they attempt to block your completion of a book if they can so easily block its ideas with their mind control programs?
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Thank you, I think it's important that this is spoken about outside of the connection. Believe it or not there is something to the development rationale but it
's not as extreme as they make it out to be and at the same time it is a convenient cover for their deeper secrets. It is definitely the tip of the ice berg, and understanding this first secret helps to understand the others. It's a great cover for them. When you are so used to never speaking about it you have a hard time finding the right words or articulating the experience to non-readers if you ever do choose to speak about it.

You ask why talking about it is such a threat? They are control freaks. They claim they are protecting the development of the young and sanity of non-readers but that's just their way of guarding the gates, controlling who is let in and who isn't.

As far as blocking my efforts, it's mainly about stealing my energy but it's also to prove a point by making me an example of what happens to someone who speaks out. For the most part they are confident that non-readers will stay locked in their programs.
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Thanks. Your answers make a lot of sense. Perhaps their confidence will be their downfall.
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OP, a few times you and other readers have mentioned feeling some guilt about telling. Something about the consequences of finally knowing for the nonreader being worse than living out life not knowing. I can tell you from personal experience as a nonreader that it is better to find out early in life. I did not.

In this thread nonreading has been compared to a disability. But there is a big difference. When you have a disability, such as being deaf for example, you know you are deaf and that most others are not. You make adjustments in life accordingly and you still live life fully. There is no question of what is wrong with you and what can be done. When you are a nonreader you go through life wondering what is wrong and there is no answer just a mystery even though others have the answer or some sort of answer.

Not being told is a kind of cruelty because the nonreader is left floundering, wasting time dealing with a mystery and suffering all sorts of iatrogenic disorders as a result. Being told early in life, but not so early that it would interfere with the development of the ability, would be a blessing because it enables adaptation early and living a fuller life. Being denied the truth by readers seems quite evil imho.

Knowing late in life for the nonreader is much worse than knowing early in life. It fosters a lot of resentment, anger and bitterness. This is not resentment at being a nonreader but anger at readers for having kept it a secret. I think I understand what Samuel Clemens felt. If only I had known, I would have adjusted my life accordingly. I think your book will perform a great service. Never feel guilty about it.
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OP, good idea your "News" section at AtmosphereOfThought. Reminded me of Dean Radin's research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and The Global Consciousness Project (The Egg Story). If you are not already familiar with these, they might be of interest to you. Who will you publish your ebook with?

Re your "News" item: If 90% of people are adepts, why the generally large interest in alleged psychics who are either sheisters or barely adept? Certainly that business amounts to more than some quasi-adept readers taking advantage of whatever percentage of the 10% of nonreaders that's interested. Personally I am not interested in psychics but some other nonreaders might be. I can't imagine why readers would have a need for psychics or be interested in them except from a voyeuristic POV. They would know from where the so-called tricks hail. Again, I'm having trouble with the 90:10 ratio.
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OP, a few times you and other readers have mentioned feeling some guilt about telling. Something about the consequences of finally knowing for the nonreader being worse than living out life not knowing. I can tell you from personal experience as a nonreader that it is better to find out early in life. I did not.

In this thread nonreading has been compared to a disability. But there is a big difference. When you have a disability, such as being deaf for example, you know you are deaf and that most others are not. You make adjustments in life accordingly and you still live life fully. There is no question of what is wrong with you and what can be done. When you are a nonreader you go through life wondering what is wrong and there is no answer just a mystery even though others have the answer or some sort of answer.

Not being told is a kind of cruelty because the nonreader is left floundering, wasting time dealing with a mystery and suffering all sorts of iatrogenic disorders as a result. Being told early in life, but not so early that it would interfere with the development of the ability, would be a blessing because it enables adaptation early and living a fuller life. Being denied the truth by readers seems quite evil imho.

Knowing late in life for the nonreader is much worse than knowing early in life. It fosters a lot of resentment, anger and bitterness. This is not resentment at being a nonreader but anger at readers for having kept it a secret. I think I understand what Samuel Clemens felt. If only I had known, I would have adjusted my life accordingly. I think your book will perform a great service. Never feel guilty about it.
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Yes, guilt at times wondering if I might be spoiling a surprise for some who have not been let in and potentially ruining their chances or from the possibility that some non-readers may not be able to handle the information and could be bothered by the reality. But it seems they are giving up on the guilt tactics and have taken on approaches far more devious. Thank you for your kind words, it is inspiring to hear from a non-reader that this information is helpful, I too hope that the book will provide a great service.

It is cruel to deny this information from non-readers and I have never quite understood why there couldn't be a system worked out where non-readers would be able to learn about this info while making it so they could only talk about it in certain places. Like simply considering it indecent to speak about in public rather than keeping the secret from non-readers all together. I guess that is not really feasible; how could a non-reader learn about this and be expected to discuss this info in a private setting and only with others who have not been let in yet, especially when they don't have the ability to identify who is a reader and who is not?

It's become more apparent since my exile that it is more about control, as well as a guard for the other secrets, as you have also suggested. Many non-readers are selected to stay that way because they are considered some type of threat to the Hierarchy for whatever reason.

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OP, good idea your "News" section at AtmosphereOfThought. Reminded me of Dean Radin's research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and The Global Consciousness Project (The Egg Story). If you are not already familiar with these, they might be of interest to you. Who will you publish your ebook with?

Re your "News" item: If 90% of people are adepts, why the generally large interest in alleged psychics who are either sheisters or barely adept? Certainly that business amounts to more than some quasi-adept readers taking advantage of whatever percentage of the 10% of nonreaders that's interested. Personally I am not interested in psychics but some other nonreaders might be. I can't imagine why readers would have a need for psychics or be interested in them except from a voyeuristic POV. They would know from where the so-called tricks hail. Again, I'm having trouble with the 90:10 ratio.
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Thanks for visiting, I hope others benefit from the site as well. Dean Radin's research, the Institute of Noetic Sciences and The Global Consciousness Project is definitely of interest.

For the most part the interest in psychics is comparably small to other forms of entertainment for the hive. It is usually for non-readers who are seeking answers and for readers who enjoy the spectacle of a subtly-aware reader who doesn't know that most of the people in the audience are better at reading the psychic than the psychic is at reading the audience.

Also, there are very talented readers, whose abilities go beyond mind reading and are able to see beyond the mind blocks of other readers, which is sometimes entertaining for readers, or are able to access parts of a readers mind that they are unable to reach which can be helpful to other readers. These talented readers will deny that it is real and will tell you that they are only using tricks.

One way to help people envision the 90:10 ratio would be to imagine the population of Europe as being representative of the non-reader population and the rest of the world as readers.
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OP, a few times you and other readers have mentioned feeling some guilt about telling. Something about the consequences of finally knowing for the nonreader being worse than living out life not knowing. I can tell you from personal experience as a nonreader that it is better to find out early in life. I did not.

In this thread nonreading has been compared to a disability. But there is a big difference. When you have a disability, such as being deaf for example, you know you are deaf and that most others are not. You make adjustments in life accordingly and you still live life fully. There is no question of what is wrong with you and what can be done. When you are a nonreader you go through life wondering what is wrong and there is no answer just a mystery even though others have the answer or some sort of answer.

Not being told is a kind of cruelty because the nonreader is left floundering, wasting time dealing with a mystery and suffering all sorts of iatrogenic disorders as a result. Being told early in life, but not so early that it would interfere with the development of the ability, would be a blessing because it enables adaptation early and living a fuller life. Being denied the truth by readers seems quite evil imho.

Knowing late in life for the nonreader is much worse than knowing early in life. It fosters a lot of resentment, anger and bitterness. This is not resentment at being a nonreader but anger at readers for having kept it a secret. I think I understand what Samuel Clemens felt. If only I had known, I would have adjusted my life accordingly. I think your book will perform a great service. Never feel guilty about it.
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Yes, guilt at times wondering if I might be spoiling a surprise for some who have not been let in and potentially ruining their chances or from the possibility that some non-readers may not be able to handle the information and could be bothered by the reality. But it seems they are giving up on the guilt tactics and have taken on approaches far more devious. Thank you for your kind words, it is inspiring to hear from a non-reader that this information is helpful, I too hope that the book will provide a great service.

It is cruel to deny this information from non-readers and I have never quite understood why there couldn't be a system worked out where non-readers would be able to learn about this info while making it so they could only talk about it in certain places. Like simply considering it indecent to speak about in public rather than keeping the secret from non-readers all together. I guess that is not really feasible; how could a non-reader learn about this and be expected to discuss this info in a private setting and only with others who have not been let in yet, especially when they don't have the ability to identify who is a reader and who is not?

It's become more apparent since my exile that it is more about control, as well as a guard for the other secrets, as you have also suggested. Many non-readers are selected to stay that way because they are considered some type of threat to the Hierarchy for whatever reason.
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I totally agree. It is more about control and exclusion, than it is about communication via the noosphere Otherwise language and telecommunications would not have developed to the degree that they have. The hive masters intervene as they deem necessary and are able to control what most of us say and do and how we perceive and react to others.

I meet with a group regularly to talk. One member was broaching mind reading territory and just as I thought this would be the perfect opportunity to mention this thread another member quickly interrupted and totally changed the focus of the conversation. I had long suspected the diverter was a reader.
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Does ethics and morals exist at all in your 'noosphere' ?
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Personally I think readers are morally and ethically challenged. As a nonreader I have experienced this. I also believe that there is a double standard as nonreaders and exiled readers are considered an inferior species with lesser rights, so to speak. There is a different code of conduct when a reader is interacting with another reader.
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They have standards for morals and ethics that are below what a non-reader would consider moral or ethical. Most non-readers, if awakened to this info, would look at the decision of their friends and family to keep them from the secret as immoral, while readers view this choice as morally necessary to protect the hive from those deemed unfit to know.

The more talented a reader, the more likely they are to take advantage of readers of lower levels in various ways that they see as morally necessary to organize the hive.

Readers are on a need to know basis.

On each level they are told something different.

It is seen as morally necessary to higher level readers to limit information to the lower levels to maintain the hierarchy. They believe by limiting the information to the lower levels and keeping the secrets from non-readers that they are protecting the development of lower level, and younger readers while keeping those out of the noosphere who might cause trouble for the hierarchy.

I don't see any of it as moral. As soon as the Hierarchy is overthrown there will be freedom of speech in the noosphere. There will be a new hierarchy and everyone will be encouraged to talk about it out loud.
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What is a 'mental midget' ?

Might nonreaders or partially aware readers be called that ?
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They have standards for morals and ethics that are below what a non-reader would consider moral or ethical. Most non-readers, if awakened to this info, would look at the decision of their friends and family to keep them from the secret as immoral, while readers view this choice as morally necessary to protect the hive from those deemed unfit to know.

The more talented a reader, the more likely they are to take advantage of readers of lower levels in various ways that they see as morally necessary to organize the hive.

Readers are on a need to know basis.

On each level they are told something different.

It is seen as morally necessary to higher level readers to limit information to the lower levels to maintain the hierarchy. They believe by limiting the information to the lower levels and keeping the secrets from non-readers that they are protecting the development of lower level, and younger readers while keeping those out of the noosphere who might cause trouble for the hierarchy.

I don't see any of it as moral. As soon as the Hierarchy is overthrown there will be freedom of speech in the noosphere. There will be a new hierarchy and everyone will be encouraged to talk about it out loud.
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Who's going to overthrow the Hierarchy? And when? And I would hope that the Old Hierarchy is not simply replaced by yet another hierarchy. We don't want another set of power hungry old coots deciding what's best for those of lesser development or nondevelopment. A more egalitarian and democratic system is required.
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