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It's Official....Tepco Admits SFP4 in Meltdown

 
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If your life ends prematurely and abruptly I assure you that it will have nothing to do with the nuclear crisis in Fukushima Japan... Unless you have spent more than several minutes on the site near the reactors.

I know that some people (for some illusive reason) want, long and perhaps desire for this to be an extinction level event, but that simply is not going to happen.. Even in the worst case here.

Demonizing nuclear power (the most likely agenda behind all of the false nuclear doom) will likely cause more problems for the average peoples of the world than anything emitted from Fukushima... A global energy crisis without viable alternatives could accelerate economic collapses, chaos and much more badness that would certainly affect you and everyone around you.

Seriously, as bad as it can get, isn't ever going to live up to any of the doom predictions here.

No one seems to want the truth...

There are very real threats to humanity that we will be faced with if efforts to prevent it fail, and there isn't anything nuclear involved in it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16388033


Many people will develop cancers, many will suffer miscarriages and birth defects because of Fukushima. Just because they can't prove it, doesn't make TEPCO any less culpable. Their worse crime, even worse than the sheer stupidity of building it there in the first place, is their continuous denials and lies.
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Here's the actual Tepco handout, if anyone can translate;
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
 Quoting: NEC99


I am very bad in Kanji and Translation from my 2 into my 3
Language is a no go but i can read the Dates and this is not fresh!

There is no reason for getting Depressiv,
the huge spitting happened already!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Bullshit

You need to seriously FUCK OFF and stop derailing threads about your country's lack of manhood of owning up to their mistakes. At least the Russians had miles of incompetent bureaucracy from Communism to blame for Sweden discovering Chernobyl first.

They made 500,000 liquifiers bear the brunt of death.

Where the fuck are your kamakazees !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13962940


I believe Atom-Boy was saying that the report is new, but the data they released is from last year. In other words, spent fuel pool #4 melted down last year, and Tepco just admitted it 4 days ago....shitload of radiation has gone global!
 Quoting: NEC99


"Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!

According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 05/21/2012 12:05 AM
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In the mean time, it is Sunday evening. Do you know where the Tepco workers are? They do take weekends off you know.

Nothing to see here, nothing to do here folks.

Move on now. Don't worry about this. Worry about real things, like terrorists.
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@Nec99

Tepco is just a part of the System,
nothing else!

I think we all know that it was and is not
healthy for all of us,
be happy that you don't understand everything,
you would be unable to go on!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Hi,Radioactive-Boy.

What is your straight-up opinion on the present degree of severity.

thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8130365

Horrible, of course!
What a Question!

We need to stay on the Facts otherwise it get even more bad!
Already now we can see a huge Socio-Impact on our Society,
with wrong News, Rumor and Agitation it get even worse!

Here's the actual Tepco handout, if anyone can translate;
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
 Quoting: NEC99


I am very bad in Kanji and Translation from my 2 into my 3
Language is a no go but i can read the Dates and this is not fresh!

There is no reason for getting Depressiv,
the huge spitting happened already!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Bullshit

平成24年5月 thru Japanese to English translator ( [link to translation.babylon.com] comes up "May 2012"

You need to seriously FUCK OFF and stop derailing threads about your country's lack of manhood of owning up to their mistakes. At least the Russians had miles of incompetent bureaucracy from Communism to blame for Sweden discovering Chernobyl first.

They made 500,000 liquifiers bear the brunt of death.

Where the fuck are your kamakazees !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13962940


Honey, please go to: [link to blog.alexanderhiggins.com]

You can see "latest Hand Out" and under is a Chart
where you can see 134, 137 and 131 with 3 Samples:
1 for 131 is from 23.4.12 which is the 12 of April last Year

the second Sample is from 23.4.28 which is April 28

and the last Sample without any traces of 131 is from
23.5.7 which is the seventh of May last Year!


You are a good Example that Sheeps should not get any Information iamwith
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


As quoted from your link:
"That chart shows a highly level of radioactive iodine 131 was released from the reactor 4 spent fuel pool, which means there was a nuclear meltdown in the pool."

What does that mean??
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Here's the actual Tepco handout, if anyone can translate;
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
 Quoting: NEC99


I am very bad in Kanji and Translation from my 2 into my 3
Language is a no go but i can read the Dates and this is not fresh!

There is no reason for getting Depressiv,
the huge spitting happened already!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Bullshit

平成24年5月 thru Japanese to English translator ( [link to translation.babylon.com] comes up "May 2012"

You need to seriously FUCK OFF and stop derailing threads about your country's lack of manhood of owning up to their mistakes. At least the Russians had miles of incompetent bureaucracy from Communism to blame for Sweden discovering Chernobyl first.

They made 500,000 liquifiers bear the brunt of death.

Where the fuck are your kamakazees !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13962940


I believe Atom-Boy was saying that the report is new, but the data they released is from last year. In other words, spent fuel pool #4 melted down last year, and Tepco just admitted it 4 days ago....shitload of radiation has gone global!
 Quoting: NEC99


We watched on the original pointscope cam. The blue glow was hard to miss. Fuku 1 thread was all over it. Enenews grabbed a screenshot I had made for the thread and posted it. Tepco was lying about it and we were watching it.. chuckle

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In the mean time, it is Sunday evening. Do you know where the Tepco workers are? They do take weekends off you know.

Nothing to see here, nothing to do here folks.

Move on now. Don't worry about this. Worry about real things, like terrorists.
 Quoting: ehecatl


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Biggest Terrorists is Corporations, like G.E. who make highly dangerous BWR Nuclear Reactors, that are inept, unsafe and downright dangerous. Which will probably poison the whole Northern Hemisphere, once Reactor #4 in Japan Collapses.

I'll take a few "Terrorists" over "Corporate Terrorists" like G.E. that will kill 10's of millions for their design practices, if I was forced to big one poison among the 2 type Terrorists.

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[link to www.youtube.com]


Well, we knew this, but now it's public info we will all die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465364


Like George Carlin once said about the sanctity of life, "Everything that ever lived is dead and everything alive today, is going to die."
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I am very bad in Kanji and Translation from my 2 into my 3
Language is a no go but i can read the Dates and this is not fresh!

There is no reason for getting Depressiv,
the huge spitting happened already!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Bullshit

You need to seriously FUCK OFF and stop derailing threads about your country's lack of manhood of owning up to their mistakes. At least the Russians had miles of incompetent bureaucracy from Communism to blame for Sweden discovering Chernobyl first.

They made 500,000 liquifiers bear the brunt of death.

Where the fuck are your kamakazees !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13962940


I believe Atom-Boy was saying that the report is new, but the data they released is from last year. In other words, spent fuel pool #4 melted down last year, and Tepco just admitted it 4 days ago....shitload of radiation has gone global!
 Quoting: NEC99


"Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!

According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Ok, I guess when you said the big "poof" already happened, you weren't referring to a meltdown. Other reports claim this data proves a meltdown occurred...
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People please just ignore Atom Boy. He derails the focus of the threads and he's been caught lying numerous times.

He's just a doufus. This is a serious problem. We're being side tracked by him.

He's doing his job well.
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@ Grey Matter

"Melt Down" is wrong,
it may went "Critically"
A criticality accident, sometimes referred to as an excursion or a power excursion, is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans and causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings.

Critical or supercritical nuclear fission (one that is sustained in power or increasing in power) generally occurs inside reactor cores and occasionally within test environments. A criticality accident occurs when a critical reaction is achieved unintentionally. Although dangerous, typical criticality accidents cannot reproduce the design conditions of a fission bomb, so nuclear explosions do not occur. The heat released by the nuclear reaction will typically cause the fissile material to expand, so that the nuclear reaction becomes subcritical again within a few seconds.

In the history of atomic power development, 60 criticality accidents have occurred in collections of fissile materials outside nuclear reactors and some of these have resulted in death, by radiation exposure, of the nearest person(s) to the event. However, none have resulted in explosions.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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@ Grey Matter

"Melt Down" is wrong,
it may went "Critically"
A criticality accident, sometimes referred to as an excursion or a power excursion, is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans and causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings.

Critical or supercritical nuclear fission (one that is sustained in power or increasing in power) generally occurs inside reactor cores and occasionally within test environments. A criticality accident occurs when a critical reaction is achieved unintentionally. Although dangerous, typical criticality accidents cannot reproduce the design conditions of a fission bomb, so nuclear explosions do not occur. The heat released by the nuclear reaction will typically cause the fissile material to expand, so that the nuclear reaction becomes subcritical again within a few seconds.

In the history of atomic power development, 60 criticality accidents have occurred in collections of fissile materials outside nuclear reactors and some of these have resulted in death, by radiation exposure, of the nearest person(s) to the event. However, none have resulted in explosions.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Dude you've been proven an idiot so many times now, would you please just give it the fuck up already?
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Ever notice the CONTINUED statement that we " Don't want to panic the public."

KILLING them SLOWLY with radiation poisoning is O.K. However !

Typical way shills distract one from the OBVIOUS CONSEQUENCES of NO ACTION, by the VERY ONES who are doing NOTHING to remedy the situation !
 Quoting: THE Professor ! 16171666


Yes, it has a familiar ring.

Lie about aliens being here and abducting us, because we "don't want to panic the public", so the evil shitheads lie to us, instead of just tell the fucking truth.

Obama was BORN TO LIE. I've never seen a more deceitful politician in my entire life, but he is still swooned over by the inner-city , 75 IQ crowd.
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People please just ignore Atom Boy. He derails the focus of the threads and he's been caught lying numerous times.

He's just a doufus. This is a serious problem. We're being side tracked by him.

He's doing his job well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13657670


Sfpsamples

Here, i uploaded it for People like You!

23. 4. 12- the 12 of April 131 with 220Bq
23. 4. 28- the 28 of April 131 with 27Bq
23. 5. 07- the 07 of May 131 with 16Bq
and afterwards Non Detectable!!!

Now Leave!!!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 05/21/2012 12:20 AM
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Psst, Atomboy..

Time for Engrish check~
""Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!
According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore

wtfwtfwtfwtfwtf

The word is "Criticality"..which is a Term you need to look for in the internet.
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@ Grey Matter

"Melt Down" is wrong,
it may went "Critically"
A criticality accident, sometimes referred to as an excursion or a power excursion, is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans and causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings.

Critical or supercritical nuclear fission (one that is sustained in power or increasing in power) generally occurs inside reactor cores and occasionally within test environments. A criticality accident occurs when a critical reaction is achieved unintentionally. Although dangerous, typical criticality accidents cannot reproduce the design conditions of a fission bomb, so nuclear explosions do not occur. The heat released by the nuclear reaction will typically cause the fissile material to expand, so that the nuclear reaction becomes subcritical again within a few seconds.

In the history of atomic power development, 60 criticality accidents have occurred in collections of fissile materials outside nuclear reactors and some of these have resulted in death, by radiation exposure, of the nearest person(s) to the event. However, none have resulted in explosions.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Dude you've been proven an idiot so many times now, would you please just give it the fuck up already?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13657670


I know, I know, went against my own advice here. The guy is just SUCH a dweeb, get's under my skin. THUS, the point.
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Bullshit

You need to seriously FUCK OFF and stop derailing threads about your country's lack of manhood of owning up to their mistakes. At least the Russians had miles of incompetent bureaucracy from Communism to blame for Sweden discovering Chernobyl first.

They made 500,000 liquifiers bear the brunt of death.

Where the fuck are your kamakazees !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13962940


I believe Atom-Boy was saying that the report is new, but the data they released is from last year. In other words, spent fuel pool #4 melted down last year, and Tepco just admitted it 4 days ago....shitload of radiation has gone global!
 Quoting: NEC99


"Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!

According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Ok, I guess when you said the big "poof" already happened, you weren't referring to a meltdown. Other reports claim this data proves a meltdown occurred...
 Quoting: NEC99


Gundersen's theory for intermittent criticality is that the water in SFP 4 boiled off enough to expose the tops of the fuel assemblies, which heated up, warping/damaging the cladding and moderators, thereby allowing the criticalities.. even after seawater was accessed for emergency cooling and the pool was filled.

This also caused the hydrogen buildup leading to the explosion which destroyed building 4.

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Edit: Damned, now i am wrong!

Sorry!
Regarding this Posting:
Psst, Atomboy..

Time for Engrish check~
""Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore

wtfwtfwtfwtfwtf

The word is "Criticality"..which is a Term you need to look for in the internet.


Damned Shills here, they make me angry!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 05/21/2012 12:29 AM
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[link to mobile.washingtonpost.com]


Obama met with the Japanese Prime minister on Sunday. He HAD to know. From the article:

"In the rustic wooded setting of the presidential retreat — where each leader was assigned an individual cabin — the leaders removed their ties and business suits for shirt sleeves and spring sweaters.

Obama spent time talking informally to each leader. He presented a chocolate birthday cake to Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, who turns 55 on Sunday."

So while everyone was protesting at the G8, thinking the leaders would be there, they "head faked" and met at camp David. Pretty smart if you ask me.

I'm just hoping the the Japanese prime minister told them the truth about what was going on. The whole "Obama got him a chocolate birthday cake" shit makes my ass twitch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13657670




umm, everyone knew they moved G3 to CD like 3 months ago. not a big bait and switch. They kept NATO in CHI, that's what you see in CHI. WHO KNOWS WTF is goin on in CD??

prob more then most could imagine..
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Nuclear radiation is good for you. Did you ever see X-Men First Class?

Kevin Bacon's character (Sebastian Shaw) launches a plan to push the world into nuclear war, unleashing radiation that will make the mutants stronger.

Time to Mutate !!!!!!


Time to develop superpowers !!!!


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People please just ignore Atom Boy. He derails the focus of the threads and he's been caught lying numerous times.

He's just a doufus. This is a serious problem. We're being side tracked by him.

He's doing his job well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13657670


:Sfpsamples:

Here, i uploaded it for People like You!

23. 4. 12- the 12 of April 131 with 220Bq
23. 4. 28- the 28 of April 131 with 27Bq
23. 5. 07- the 07 of May 131 with 16Bq
and afterwards Non Detectable!!!

Now Leave!!!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


In your dreams doufus.
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I believe Atom-Boy was saying that the report is new, but the data they released is from last year. In other words, spent fuel pool #4 melted down last year, and Tepco just admitted it 4 days ago....shitload of radiation has gone global!
 Quoting: NEC99


"Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!

According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Ok, I guess when you said the big "poof" already happened, you weren't referring to a meltdown. Other reports claim this data proves a meltdown occurred...
 Quoting: NEC99


Gundersen's theory for intermittent criticality is that the water in SFP 4 boiled off enough to expose the tops of the fuel assemblies, which heated up, warping/damaging the cladding and moderators, thereby allowing the criticalities.. even after seawater was accessed for emergency cooling and the pool was filled.

This also caused the hydrogen buildup leading to the explosion which destroyed building 4.


~
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Good, when this is only Gundershills Theory
and not from a Capacity!
G.Y.!B.E.
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DO NOT YOU PEOPLE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE???
Japan has let the US.. Russia..and China... know that they NEED
to remove 40 plus million people.... Japan WILL be evacuated ASAP... and It "MUST GO INTO THE SEA" as per Cayce....... They Will relocate the people and bomb Japan!!!!
Never Enough Wine!!
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I am very bad in Kanji and Translation from my 2 into my 3
Language is a no go but i can read the Dates and this is not fresh!

There is no reason for getting Depressiv,
the huge spitting happened already!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


It says 120516, isn't that May 16th 2012?
 Quoting: NEC99


The Hand Out is from last Wednesday but not
the Measurement, you need to look when they
took the Water-Sample!!!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Ok, Atom-Boy,
So you're saying this is a current release, with information that spent fuel pool melted down last year?
If that's true, wouldn't you agree Tepco is delaying critical information, and can't be trusted?
 Quoting: NEC99


pwned....
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It's not an accident, not incompetence. It's all part of the depop agenda. Reactors situated in dodgy locations. GE has been behind more than "poorly designed" reactors, the company is implicated in many other aspects of the agenda going all the way back to the founding of the company.

It's coming from all directions, GOM, vaccines where suddenly autism came out of nowhere, not to mention myriad other illnesses, fake food like margarine, bromide in bread, fluoride in water, now GMOs, Big Killa Pharma was populated with "former" Nazis after the war, x-rays were a health problem from the getgo, the thousands upon thousands of chemicals released into the environment. All of this is intentional.
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Sfpsamples
FuelPoolNr4/12
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"Melted Down" is wrong!

It went for a short Time "Critically"
which is a Term you need to look for in the Internet!

According to the Videos the Rods are Stable and Okay,
in the case of a "Melt Down" they would be not there anymore!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Ok, I guess when you said the big "poof" already happened, you weren't referring to a meltdown. Other reports claim this data proves a meltdown occurred...
 Quoting: NEC99


Gundersen's theory for intermittent criticality is that the water in SFP 4 boiled off enough to expose the tops of the fuel assemblies, which heated up, warping/damaging the cladding and moderators, thereby allowing the criticalities.. even after seawater was accessed for emergency cooling and the pool was filled.

This also caused the hydrogen buildup leading to the explosion which destroyed building 4.


~
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Good, when this is only Gundershills Theory
and not from a Capacity!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Former Senior Reactor Operator: You can get a recriticality in Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 — “Never ending fountain of particulates and gas” (VIDEO)

In the case of Unit 4… you can get a recriticality.

Here’s how that happens. To prevent criticality, you are depending on spacing of spent fuel in the racks. If you damage [fuel racks] where you’ve got a reduced spacing between assemblies, you’ve eliminated a guard against spontaneous fission. There’s still neutron emitters and water in the area to moderate… You could actually get a criticality in the fuel pool.

That would be a never ending process threes no way to shut that down.

Some of the fuel doesn’t have control blades, a boiling water reactor has control blades not control rods, so some of them are unbladed. Those would be ones where you may get a fission… of course if you have a fission and you’re going to generate more fission products, there you have another never ending fountain of particulates and gas

[link to enenews.com]
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@ Grey Matter

"Melt Down" is wrong,
it may went "Critically"
A criticality accident, sometimes referred to as an excursion or a power excursion, is an accidental increase of nuclear chain reactions in a fissile material, such as enriched uranium or plutonium. This releases a surge of neutron radiation which is highly dangerous to humans and causes induced radioactivity in the surroundings.

Critical or supercritical nuclear fission (one that is sustained in power or increasing in power) generally occurs inside reactor cores and occasionally within test environments. A criticality accident occurs when a critical reaction is achieved unintentionally. Although dangerous, typical criticality accidents cannot reproduce the design conditions of a fission bomb, so nuclear explosions do not occur. The heat released by the nuclear reaction will typically cause the fissile material to expand, so that the nuclear reaction becomes subcritical again within a few seconds.

In the history of atomic power development, 60 criticality accidents have occurred in collections of fissile materials outside nuclear reactors and some of these have resulted in death, by radiation exposure, of the nearest person(s) to the event. However, none have resulted in explosions.[2]

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 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Very true. It was a criticality event. But still it happened and it seems that sfp4 is in a very precarious situation. My understanding of this situation is that water is draning out of the pool at a high rate and being collected in the basement and pumped back in. This process must be inducing high leves of radiation into everything in, around and near these structures, along with everything underneath the buildings.

Question, How bad is it really for workers? Things do not seem any better just worse every day.
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I keep thinking of the movie with gregory peck where the earth is radiated and unliveable.

And the ashholes knew this could happen and did it anyway. building their nuc plants. fracking frackers
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Ok, I guess when you said the big "poof" already happened, you weren't referring to a meltdown. Other reports claim this data proves a meltdown occurred...
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Gundersen's theory for intermittent criticality is that the water in SFP 4 boiled off enough to expose the tops of the fuel assemblies, which heated up, warping/damaging the cladding and moderators, thereby allowing the criticalities.. even after seawater was accessed for emergency cooling and the pool was filled.

This also caused the hydrogen buildup leading to the explosion which destroyed building 4.


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Good, when this is only Gundershills Theory
and not from a Capacity!
 Quoting: the Atom-Boy


Former Senior Reactor Operator: You can get a recriticality in Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 — “Never ending fountain of particulates and gas” (VIDEO)

In the case of Unit 4… you can get a recriticality.

Here’s how that happens. To prevent criticality, you are depending on spacing of spent fuel in the racks. If you damage [fuel racks] where you’ve got a reduced spacing between assemblies, you’ve eliminated a guard against spontaneous fission. There’s still neutron emitters and water in the area to moderate… You could actually get a criticality in the fuel pool.

That would be a never ending process threes no way to shut that down.

Some of the fuel doesn’t have control blades, a boiling water reactor has control blades not control rods, so some of them are unbladed. Those would be ones where you may get a fission… of course if you have a fission and you’re going to generate more fission products, there you have another never ending fountain of particulates and gas

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Please look, a official Tepco Video!


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