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Sheriff Joe Sends Detectives to Honolulu

 
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ya, see, that has yet to be proven or verified, in case you missed that simple fact.
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Gosh, this is really getting old; again, have you ever heard about the following basic legal principles:

- The presumption of innocence: one is considered innocent until proven guilty.
- The burden of proof: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges

Birthers tried to prove their claims on court innumerous times and failed each and every time.
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Not in the case of being allowed on a presidential ballot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988350

Let's bet for $1,000: I say he will be allowed on the presidential ballot in every state. What say you?

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I already tried that, they just ignore it because they live in fantasy land.
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Gosh, this is really getting old; again, have you ever heard about the following basic legal principles:

- The presumption of innocence: one is considered innocent until proven guilty.
- The burden of proof: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges

Birthers tried to prove their claims on court innumerous times and failed each and every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16455769

Not in the case of being allowed on a presidential ballot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988350

Let's bet for $1,000: I say he will be allowed on the presidential ballot in every state. What say you?

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I already tried that, they just ignore it because they live in fantasy land.
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Don't make bets with forgers.
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there is a govt. behind the govt. and I don`t control it. Quote- Bill Clinton.


suckas!
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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I cant believe there are still idiots out there that dont get it. You have to be a NATURAL BORN citizen. BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL! Being born in kenya makes you NOT a natural born citizen. Geeeeez!
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Actually this is not exactly true. The constitutional clause is very "nonspecific" in what defines "natural born "
One is natural born even if born abroad as long as both parents are natural born citizens , Also if you are born on american soil period you are natural born even if both parents are aliens .

" the Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth", including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen."

wiki
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See bold above:
I beg to differ with this statement. My husband was born in Germany to two US natural born citizens. His father was serving in the army at the time. He is not eligibile to run for president because he wasn't born on base. (Unlike McCain who was.)
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Not in the case of being allowed on a presidential ballot.
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Let's bet for $1,000: I say he will be allowed on the presidential ballot in every state. What say you?

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I already tried that, they just ignore it because they live in fantasy land.
 Quoting: Frangas non Flectes

Don't make bets with forgers.
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You're not ready to bet because you know that birtherism is just a cheap smearing campaign. Coward.

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05/22/2012 11:03 AM
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Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue with this?
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05/22/2012 11:06 AM
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Not in the case of being allowed on a presidential ballot.
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Let's bet for $1,000: I say he will be allowed on the presidential ballot in every state. What say you?

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I already tried that, they just ignore it because they live in fantasy land.
 Quoting: Frangas non Flectes


Don't make bets with forgers.
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No you dont bet because you know that this is all BS, and that Obama WILL be on the Arizona ballot.
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Wouldn't there be a jurisdictional issue with this?
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It would be if the whole ado wouldn't be just Arpaio's PR spin.
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Gosh, this is really getting old; again, have you ever heard about the following basic legal principles:

- The presumption of innocence: one is considered innocent until proven guilty.
- The burden of proof: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges

Birthers tried to prove their claims on court innumerous times and failed each and every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16455769

Not in the case of being allowed on a presidential ballot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 988350

Let's bet for $1,000: I say he will be allowed on the presidential ballot in every state. What say you?

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Felons can't run for POTUS.
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I totally agree with you, but are you ready to bet against me?
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"""You people are idiots really. If Obama was born in Hawaii it doesnt matter if his parents are from Mars, he is eligible. Also his mother was a citizen which is much more important."""

IDIOT ALERT---------IDIOT ALERT
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05/22/2012 11:45 AM
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I detect a plane crash coming.
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Just ask Ron Brown.
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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Both parents have to be natural citizens, with no other citizenship to any other countries. His father was dual, with no US ties.
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Yeah... that's not actually spelled out in any constitutional law.
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Actually it was spelled out by the very first Congress in 1790 when they determined naturalization and citizenship they also set what a Natural Born Citizen was
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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no, but that is what "they" would like you to believe ... but when only one of your parents is an American - the child is considered to have DUAL citizenship in both nations ...

The US constitution requires that the individual running for president must be a "natural born" citizen ... which means that BOTH of his parents are American (whether they are born here or not - as long as they are "Americans" at the time the child is born ... where the baby is born is not really all that important ... who his parents are - the ones that will raise him, to love America - doesn't matter

Barrack whom-ever, was born a dual citizen and is inelgible to run for the office of POTUS ... it doesn't matter if the entire population votes for him or not ... he isn't elgible to run, because he IS not a "natural born citizen ... he knows that, he is a "constitutional lawyer" and sat on the hearing to Vet McCain, as well as sponsored two bills to change the Constitution's requirements ... which failed to pass

America is still a Republic - and we are bound by the Constitution ... Obama was adopted by his step father, and became a citizen of Indonesia at the age of two ... Indonesia does not recognize "dual citizenship" ... and he relinquished his claim to be either American or Kenyan when he became Indonesian ... he has NEVER reinstated his "half" American status ... and therefore is NOT an American at all

so you see it doesn't matter WHERE you are born ... the only thing that determines your status as an American is who your parents are ... at the time of your birth

Mitt Romeny is also NOT a "natural born" citizen ... his dad was a Mexican citizen at the time of his birth - probably his mother was too, even though they were both born in America ... the gave up their citizenship because pologamy is illeagle in America and his dad had several wives ... so they moved to Mexico . The fact that they moved back to America - doesn't change the fact that Mitt was born to two Mexican citizens IN Mexico ... even if they crossed the border to have him born in the US ...

the reason for demanding that Presidents be "natural born" is to avoid the possibility of "a conflict of interests" as we see with Obama, favoring nations that share his "religion" ... when it came to giving Muslims money, he had no problem giving them billions ... but he didn't give billions to the Americans ... did he?
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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This is OK for citizenship, but not "natural born citizen" status as required by the constitution in order to be president. Additionally, the fact that he retains dual nationality from his father's citizenship means that he is ineligible. Even further, there are real problems with his Indonesian years and his trip to Pakistan in 1981 or so. Both items indicate a possible bar to the presidency.
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"""You people are idiots really. If Obama was born in Hawaii it doesnt matter if his parents are from Mars, he is eligible. Also his mother was a citizen which is much more important."""

IDIOT ALERT---------IDIOT ALERT
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yes if you believe Obama was not born in Kenya then you are an idiot or a shill and Hitler was actually pretty cool! this is the GLP message nowadays.
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Both parents have to be natural citizens, with no other citizenship to any other countries. His father was dual, with no US ties.
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not true... the parents don't have to be "natural born" they just have to be (naturalized) Americans ... they can be immigrants - but if they are BOTH Americans at the time of their baby's birth - the the baby is considered "natural born" American ...

if either of the parents is no American, then the baby is born with "Dual Citizenship" ... "dual citizens" are NOT elgible to hold the office of PONTUS ... only "natural born citizens can even run

The DNC was well aware of the fact that Obama was a "dual citizen" ... ht braged about it when he was a Senator and even went to Kenya to be recognized as a "son of Kenya" that "did good" ... they believe that he was born there, there is no dispute that his father was a Kenyan ... and that he "was" a dual citizen

but the fact remains, that Obama is NOT a "dual citizen" NOW ... he is a citizen of Indonesia ... and has no claim to American citizenship ... what-so-ever - because he relinquished his Am citizenship when he became an Indonesian (by adoption) and he has never reinstated his American citizenship ... technically his status is of an Illegal Alien ... living in the US without a visa or a green card ... he needs to be deported
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Obama is an awful president, period.
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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I cant believe there are still idiots out there that dont get it. You have to be a NATURAL BORN citizen. BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL! Being born in kenya makes you NOT a natural born citizen. Geeeeez!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550737


Actually this is not exactly true. The constitutional clause is very "nonspecific" in what defines "natural born "
One is natural born even if born abroad as long as both parents are natural born citizens , Also if you are born on american soil period you are natural born even if both parents are aliens .

" the Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth", including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen."

wiki
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See bold above:
I beg to differ with this statement. My husband was born in Germany to two US natural born citizens. His father was serving in the army at the time. He is not eligibile to run for president because he wasn't born on base. (Unlike McCain who was.)
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Your husband is wrong, he is a natural born citizen as well, and for the record book John McCain wasn't born on base either he was born in Panama oddly enough to two natural born citizens one of whom was actively serving in the Navy at the time.

Obama doesn't deserve citizenship for several reasons, first his father was never a citizen of this country, second his mother wasn't old enough to pass US citizenship to her son based on the laws of the time when Obama was born IF Obama was not born in this country, more importantly there is evidence enough to say that Obama at different periods of his life enjoyed foreign citizenship in Indonesia, that alone is enough to void any claim he has to Natural Born Citizenship.

If your husband ever used his German citizenship to participate in a German election or or attend a German school he forfeited the right to Natural Born Citizenship, just like Obama did when he went to school in Indonesian schools that were solely for citizens there or when he actively campaigned in Kenya for his cousin Raila Odinga during the 2007 Kenyan Presidential election where Obama supplied hi with a million dollar political war chest despite US laws preventing such contributions.Upon losing Odinga used that money to fund somme of the worse Violence ever seen in Kenya.
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So, who knows what these two guys are going to do over there?

What makes them think that they will be able to view the BC?
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Sheriff Joe needs to stop wasting his tax payers money, the Supreme Court made their decision in a private meeting the first week Obama took office. They can bring this issue up in as many courts as they want, the Supreme Court has the final say.
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I don't get it, wouldn't the fact that his mother is an American citizen render this whole issue moot? Constitutional-wise I mean.
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Both parents have to be natural citizens, with no other citizenship to any other countries. His father was dual, with no US ties.
 Quoting: Proskiracer


Yeah... that's not actually spelled out in any constitutional law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1510025


Actually it was spelled out by the very first Congress in 1790 when they determined naturalization and citizenship they also set what a Natural Born Citizen was
 Quoting: Masiro


Exactly and the constitution states that anyone born here, is a naturalized citizen. Doesnt matter who the parents are, or where they are from. If Obama was born in Hawaii, he is eligible. Seriously, when you guys go to college and get a degree in Political Science, or attend law school. Then lecture me about the laws of the land.
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Sheriff Joe needs to stop wasting his tax payers money, the Supreme Court made their decision in a private meeting the first week Obama took office. They can bring this issue up in as many courts as they want, the Supreme Court has the final say.
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It's up to Joe's tax payers to protest.
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Sheriff Joe needs to stop wasting his tax payers money, the Supreme Court made their decision in a private meeting the first week Obama took office. They can bring this issue up in as many courts as they want, the Supreme Court has the final say.
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It's up to Joe's tax payers to protest.
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His Cold Case Posse, the team running this investigation, is donating their time for free.
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Hawaii's Department of Health actually has an entire page dedicated to just Barrack Obama:

[link to hawaii.gov]

Including HRS §338-18(b) created in 2011 [link to www.capitol.hawaii.gov]

Which dictates who has access to his Birth Certificate. One of these provisions other than direct relationship includes:

(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or

(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]
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Seems like the Canadians REALLY need to get off Obamas sack.
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Sheriff Joe needs to stop wasting his tax payers money, the Supreme Court made their decision in a private meeting the first week Obama took office. They can bring this issue up in as many courts as they want, the Supreme Court has the final say.
 Quoting: Brunhilda


It's up to Joe's tax payers to protest.
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His Cold Case Posse, the team running this investigation, is donating their time for free.
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Fucking awesome, I love Hawaii too.
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probe embedded
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OUCH!
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Sheriff Joe needs to stop wasting his tax payers money, the Supreme Court made their decision in a private meeting the first week Obama took office. They can bring this issue up in as many courts as they want, the Supreme Court has the final say.
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It's up to Joe's tax payers to protest.
 Quoting: pool


His Cold Case Posse, the team running this investigation, is donating their time for free.
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"He said taxpayers were footing the tab for the airfare and hotel for the investigators...."
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I detect a plane crash coming.
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No need. All the individuals who can attest to the validity of the claims that O was born in the Hawaiian hospital have been taken care of already, and records have been altered/changed to reflect he was born there.

This was done before the 2008 primaries.

The blatent fake that was posted on the gov website was just an in-your-face statement.

"This is how powerful we are"

"You are nothing"

"The constitution means nothing"

"You cannot touch us EVER"

You´ll see.

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